Valve should move their headquarters to a more neutral country imo, While they still can.

Valve just got 40,000 hackers cheaters banned from Steam by honeytrapping them. So are guilty of cloak and dagger stuff too, even though their incentive is for the good it still wrong methodology imo. It just gives more incentive for darker stuff to happen in response.

We are witnessing the downfall of pc gaming platform. This youtube channel shares shocking insight into behind the scenes stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y3Lb25MKqc

Researching the history of companies like Tencent is even more alarming, considering Steam for China is a thing.

But the big picture (global current affairs situation) is even more scarier. Thanks to Joe and crew.

For decades cyber security experts have predicted ww3 will be cyber war.
i have absoulotely zero faith the west are doing anything to stop ww3 but think they are doing everything they can to instigate it.

Where are we haeding?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySLc8gZ3oEc

CS2 should be highly focused on offline single player mode. With ways of obataining hard copy DVD. The digital distribution business model may not be an option for much longer.

The servers managed by Valve for uploading controller layouts, workshop, ccontroller game configs, steam cloud and many m,ore steam features are all reliant on Vlave backbone.

Due to global current affairs we must not be ignorant of the possibility some unprecedented stuff is going on server side and client side outwith Valves, GCHQ, NSA's or our control.

ooh boy i would love to reinstall steam from 2016

have that many issues with latest builds i often reminisce how awesome steam used to be from 2016-2021


Valve just keep piling layer upon layer of broken and superfluous stuff - steam is now just bloatware and barely functions as a game launcher due to how Steam Input breaks controller suppoprt and just messes with controllers nowadayts.
windows event viewer says steam is number one problematic app on my windows install. Am surprsied windows defender hasnt flagged it as malware yet.


the code for nbpm is poison on windows pc

EDIT: iirc in 2016 steam offline mode needed steam to be online to enable off line session

How have you managed to stay on such an old build of steam?

Steam game controller configs use steam workshop too. Steam is not finding workshop items like expected. I found in steam logs steam was try to connect to server using (Valve server not sure if it was workshop but is related i am sure) and it was trying to connect using ipv6 so i did a look up. It was an american server where my Valve download location is set to Manchester UK.

I highly suspect more and more these known issues are relative to many other Valve backnbone related issues - it far wider issue than just workshop servers.

Steam is not listing or searching for servers like expected. It causing server not found and huge latency as it showing servers with highest ping first or searching alphabetically instead of respecting set download region like expecetd.


Steam is not using ipv6 in an orthodox manner.


The gist is Valves backbone and other networking related stuff is not working like expected.


Use steam logs and windows logs to help you see how broken steam is.

LTT just got their hands on an OG SteamMachine beta (1 of 300 made by Valve in house).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMUFSt7irnI


Reaching out to LTT may prove more fruitful and may prove to be a way of fulfilling the promise originally made by Valve which was all about the open source modelled hardware development platform which was supposed to be a major part of the Steam Machine project when initially announced.

Going b the current state of steam on windows; have to admit i would rather be able to completely remove Steam application from pc and play my steam games from other launchers. Steam on windows is poison just now because of the move to full CEF, nbpm and Steam Input being rebuilt from ground up for adding steam controller neptune (aka Deck controls) as primary supported device together with making steamos primary targeted platform. All this proves what Valves real agenda is and they are not being very transparent about all the recent changes at all. WHY?

@Calavera

Originally posted by Calavera:

Originally posted by Danmar:

This aged somewhat well. Nice.

don't necro.

Can you show where there is any indication that older threads should not be restarted at https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/6862-8119-C23E-EA7B ?


Cant help noticing there is a whole section dedicated to BackSeat Moderating.

And there is also instructions on what we can or should do if we find fellow community members breaking the rules listed on that Steam Support page.


Please refer to the forum rules so you can be a better steam community member, just a friendly suggestion.

@Danmar Yes it is great to see SteamOS arrive on mobile x86 devices like Steam Deck and am also looking forward to seeing SteamOS and/or Steam for ARM64 on ARM64 mobile devices soon too.

I guess as long as game devs like Double Fine Productions the creators of Psychonauts 2 make their titles available on Steam Store and MS Store it doesnt really matter; even without SteamOS port, thanks to proton Though Psychonauts 2 being optimised for Xbox X/S and dropping support support for SteamOS in Steam Store may encourage folks to just buy a Xbox X/S
https://www.xbox.com/en-GB/games/psychonauts-2

It will be interesting to see how well Psychonauts 2 performs on Steam Deck running through SteamOS 3.0/Proton in comparison to Xbox X/S

Originally posted by XÆЯO_Vince:

Having used Stadia and GeForce Now, I can say cloud streaming is cool tech but its far from perfect. Both have very noticeable video compression artifacting (especially during lag spikes) and split second to multi second lag spikes due to Internet bandwidth and connection reliability fluctuations can cause massive input lag. This is even worse over Wifi networks. When my internet is working perfectly, it can be a somewhat satisfactory and maybe not see a lag spike for several minutes at a time. However, it's nothing I would consider great or as good as playing locally. When things aren't working well, it can be completely unusable garbled slideshow lol.

I suppose if you have a rock-solid fiber connection to a data center within a hundred miles or so, you can obtain an near native experience but real world conditions are generally far less ideal

We must not under estimate how much server side issues contribute to poor game performance in cloud gaming services and not one cloud gaming service provide debugging tools to more easily identify these server side issues.

When mentioning server side issues with regards to GeForce Now i had to access Steam client Help feature System Information (after setting game to run in windowed mode and minimising it to see GFN desktop to access Steam client running in large mode) which has helped see what hardware has been assigned for streaming session. And use in game debugging info i.e. TT Isle of Man game has verbose frame info which includes minmum framerate which is great a way to identify cpu bottlneck and game struggling to run due to hardware config. And Fortnite has network debugging info like ping which is agreat way to check if connection between cloud gaming server and game server have a strong and clean network connection.
If game server and cloud gaming server are in same DC you should see 1 ping and if connection is clean there will be very little ping variatiion if any.

My point is i know if i get assigned CC150 which only a 2 core 4 thread cpu together with RTX T10-8 GPU it only has 8GB of VRAM and there is only 7 GB of system RAM available TT Isle of Man in game stats show there are times where less than 10 fps are rendered in the game before streaming and so game can not be expecetd to be rendered at 60 fps with v sync on in game. Due to these low minimum frame rates there also audio stutter and video stuttering which cause input to dropped so game feels and looks very poor.


However if i get assigned Xeon E52697v4 CPU with 4 cores and 8 threads along with Tesla P40 GPU there is 24 GB VRAM and 15 GB of system RAM available TT Isle of Man game runs better than local with zero lag. TT Isle of Man on screen stats show game is running at over 100 fps i.e. min framerate is more than 100 fps


The problem is have never been assigned the better hardware config for weeks now - which is indicative gaming service is over subscribed for my server region. Nvidia need to add more server pods to handle more concurrent users. imo. Maybe Nvidia have assigned the better hardware to other games with more users. All i know is my favourite is running like a bag of spanners due to low hardware specs being used server side to render the game before streaming.

All the cloud gaming services debugging tools really only check your connection from client device to cloud gaming server.


It very frustrating trying to describe these things to the appropriate support channels- as they always blame and want to troubleshoot your connection from client device to cloud gaming server only and thge on screen stats only show stream parameter debug info so does not help see if there issues with game being rendered or connection issues server side before streaming. Even if the network test native to streaming client shows no issues.

It saddens me that even after eight years of development GFN still struggles to run games at 1080p @ 60 fps which was not the case five years ago when i first started using it am sure GFN supported all resolution that Gamestream did including 4K@60 fps. But Nvidi a gimped stream capture configuration by end users to try and ensure better QoS for more users.

Much of these issues are caused by GFN business model which is dependent on vAPP GRID model and am pretty sure Nvidia offering vPC or vDWS type GRID virtualisation options would open the door to folks choosing SteamOS and not just offering a full windows desktop experience delivered from the cloud


It is not available bandwidth from your ISP that is important as a superfast is more than enough. What is important is your ISP peering partner tier level. GFN games use less than 40 mbps for a 1080p @ 60 stream but do not support HDR or highger refresh rates or higher resolutions.


I found cloud gaming service providers are in exact same situation now compared to when Valve were working on PowerPlay which required ISPs to better optimise their peering partners and routers for online gaming c2000 before Steam platform even existed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valve_Corporation#PowerPlay

I really like the idea of a provider of a digital gaming platform or online game being an ISP -- which is what Valve intended wit heir partnership with Cisco on PowerPlay.

I just see subscribing to cloud gaming services as an alternative to upgrading the hardware on local pc - especially with what we hav seen with availability and price of gaming GPUs in this last year or two.


Have to admit buying a current gen console has never been so appealing too, especially when considering the OG Steam Machines were supposed to be console killers.

I found Shield TV and cloud gaming made it a pc killer - removing the need to own a high end gaming spec PC

That seems like a lot of hoops to jump through but thanks for sharing the synopsis of what is possible option.

Shadow cloud gaming supports games from MS Store and have a linux client iirc as well as support many other platforms as client but they currently have a one year waiting list in UK (Paris server region) but could be considered a much more plug and play option for linux users wanting access to MS Store apps which will probably work better than xcloud.


European server regions for GFN are oversubscribed just now too - so games are gimped by lower than optimal hardware configs carved up server side.

Allthough these things help show cloud gaming is being widely adopted it also shows it hard for cloud gaming service providers to ensure best QoS possible to all subscribers all the time.

Have only usedd xcloud on android tv device - which is not well supported, so try not to be too critical as it is very much wip.



Just seeing Psychonauts 2 changing publisher to Xbox Game Studios in Steam Store and dropping steamos support got me asking questions. Even Steam Deck is indicated as a windows only device in my wishlist.