Using Wifi or Powerline Adapters for streaming

[Doomsday]

Hi. I'm planning on streaming my games from my htpc (i5 4670, 270x) to my laptop computer. The thing is that I have my router (wifi N) and those computers in different rooms, so the only way for me to connect them would be with wifi or powerline adapters (dlan).
My htpc has wifi ac, so the other posibility would be to buy a new router and an adapter for the laptop.
What do you guys think would be the best way for me to connect them to have the best, lag free experience streaming my games?
Do I need 3 adapters? (for the router, htpc and laptop).
I am a completely newbee in powerline adapters since I found they existed yesterday (in Argentina they don't even sell them).
Thank you all in advance

pd. Sorry for my poor english

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Raven eredeti hozzászólása:

Wireless is a problem just about any way you cut it. While you should have low ping times (latency), it's also throughput that you're concerned with here.

The opposite is the case. The pure speed of a normal WLAN from NOWADAYS (don't talk that stuff from 8 years ago) is totally enough for streaming. Assuming the channel isn't overused which of course might happen. Without too much interference, you'll get about 50Mb/s throughput if not more. And that's totally enough for 1080p.
The latency is the real problem here.

[ColinMacLaren]

Powerline is a good option but I really encourage you to buy the fastest available. I am using a pair of TP-Link 2000MBit/s resulting in a net speed of about 130MBit/s at 2-3ms ping.

[ReBoot]

Actually, 100 Mb/s data rate works just fine. Steam IHS doesn't need more, so buying the fastest one available is overkill. Just make sure it's 100 Mb/s data rate, not gros link rate.

[RavenDeth]

ReBoot eredeti hozzászólása:

Raven eredeti hozzászólása:

Wireless is a problem just about any way you cut it. While you should have low ping times (latency), it's also throughput that you're concerned with here.

The opposite is the case. The pure speed of a normal WLAN from NOWADAYS (don't talk that stuff from 8 years ago) is totally enough for streaming. Assuming the channel isn't overused which of course might happen. Without too much interference, you'll get about 50Mb/s throughput if not more. And that's totally enough for 1080p.
The latency is the real problem here.

Uh. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Wireless has issues whereas a wired connection absolutely does not. You have to deal with multiple potential issues with a wireless connection which you don't even have to consider when using a wired connection.

Please don't give me your theoretical ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. I can guarantee a 1G Ethernet switch LAN connection is better than any wireless setup, period. And that's today. Not your condescending "don't talk that stuff from 8 years ago" ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Can't stand people like you stating crap like it's fact when they have no idea what they're talking about. Wireless is getting better but it's not beating wired yet.

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RavenDeth eredeti hozzászólása:

ReBoot eredeti hozzászólása:

The opposite is the case. The pure speed of a normal WLAN from NOWADAYS (don't talk that stuff from 8 years ago) is totally enough for streaming. Assuming the channel isn't overused which of course might happen. Without too much interference, you'll get about 50Mb/s throughput if not more. And that's totally enough for 1080p.
The latency is the real problem here.

Uh. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Wireless has issues whereas a wired connection absolutely does not. You have to deal with multiple potential issues with a wireless connection which you don't even have to consider when using a wired connection.

Please don't give me your theoretical ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. I can guarantee a 1G Ethernet switch LAN connection is better than any wireless setup, period. And that's today. Not your condescending "don't talk that stuff from 8 years ago" ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Can't stand people like you stating crap like it's fact when they have no idea what they're talking about. Wireless is getting better but it's not beating wired yet.

You should read what I just said before you complain about me not knowing what I'm talking about. I said "The pure speed". That is, assuming we are talking about speed here and nothing else. The SPEED ALONE is absolutely fine. What's not fine of course is that interference is rather likely to happen resulting in dropped packets needing to be resent which I clearly talked about: The latency is the real problem here.

In fact, I do speak of personal experience. I stream 1080p video over WLAN all the time and it works just fine. Latency is, mind you, not as critical for normal video streaming as it is for Steam IHS. Which is where the latency is very likely to make the whole experience less of an experience and more of a catastrophe. Which I experienced myself as well. That's why I'm using PLC right now for Steam IHS. Which I was talking about recently, you somehow missed that.

[RavenDeth]

ReBoot eredeti hozzászólása:

RavenDeth eredeti hozzászólása:

Uh. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Wireless has issues whereas a wired connection absolutely does not. You have to deal with multiple potential issues with a wireless connection which you don't even have to consider when using a wired connection.

Please don't give me your theoretical ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. I can guarantee a 1G Ethernet switch LAN connection is better than any wireless setup, period. And that's today. Not your condescending "don't talk that stuff from 8 years ago" ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Can't stand people like you stating crap like it's fact when they have no idea what they're talking about. Wireless is getting better but it's not beating wired yet.

You should read what I just said before you complain about me not knowing what I'm talking about. I said "The pure speed". That is, assuming we are talking about speed here and nothing else. The SPEED ALONE is absolutely fine. What's not fine of course is that interference is rather likely to happen resulting in dropped packets needing to be resent which I clearly talked about: The latency is the real problem here.

In fact, I do speak of personal experience. I stream 1080p video over WLAN all the time and it works just fine. Latency is, mind you, not as critical for normal video streaming as it is for Steam IHS. Which is where the latency is very likely to make the whole experience less of an experience and more of a catastrophe. Which I experienced myself as well. That's why I'm using PLC right now for Steam IHS. Which I was talking about recently, you somehow missed that.

Ok. I'll agree with that. :-)

There are several other issues you alluded to above. If you're in a house with say, five other people and they're using tablets, laptops, phones and video streaming, this all eats away at the wireless bandwidth. In a perfect world, yes, one person with a high-speed wireless connection will have absolutely no wireless bandwidth issue streaming a 1080p game. However, that's rarely the situation. if you have multiple access points in an area (apartment, townhouse, dorm, etc.) they can overlap channels causing issues. Lots of potential downsides to wireless.

And yes, I was specificially talking about wireless vs. wired LAN connections. Sorry about my tone. :-)

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RavenDeth eredeti hozzászólása:

ReBoot eredeti hozzászólása:

You should read what I just said before you complain about me not knowing what I'm talking about. I said "The pure speed". That is, assuming we are talking about speed here and nothing else. The SPEED ALONE is absolutely fine. What's not fine of course is that interference is rather likely to happen resulting in dropped packets needing to be resent which I clearly talked about: The latency is the real problem here.

In fact, I do speak of personal experience. I stream 1080p video over WLAN all the time and it works just fine. Latency is, mind you, not as critical for normal video streaming as it is for Steam IHS. Which is where the latency is very likely to make the whole experience less of an experience and more of a catastrophe. Which I experienced myself as well. That's why I'm using PLC right now for Steam IHS. Which I was talking about recently, you somehow missed that.

Ok. I'll agree with that. :-)

There are several other issues you alluded to above. If you're in a house with say, five other people and they're using tablets, laptops, phones and video streaming, this all eats away at the wireless bandwidth. In a perfect world, yes, one person with a high-speed wireless connection will have absolutely no wireless bandwidth issue streaming a 1080p game. However, that's rarely the situation. if you have multiple access points in an area (apartment, townhouse, dorm, etc.) they can overlap channels causing issues. Lots of potential downsides to wireless.

And yes, I was specificially talking about wireless vs. wired LAN connections. Sorry about my tone. :-)

The main problem with WLAN is the interference from OTHER WLANs in close vicinity. This interference causes latency (as I said, packets need to be resent). Downtown, where I live, the 2,4 GHz band is perfectly fine for online gaming (as the additional latency from WLAN interference gets lost in the general internet latency), but it worked horribly for Steam IHS, which can't do any sort of lag compensation/interpolation/you name it due to the very nature of it. 5 GHz WLAN is actually a good thing to try if your router supports it (which pretty much every modern router supports) as that band tends to be less crowded. No guarantee though and in my place, it doesn't work either as the limited range in that band isn't enough to bridge the long hallway (and several rooms) between the router and the Steam link.

What I was talking about in the post that you scolded without reading it was the post that I quoted. The quote claimed that latency is perfectly fine in WLANs while bandwidth isn't. In the context of Steam IHS. Which is, quite frankly, alternative facts. The bandwidth of a typical WLAN is absolutely enough and if there are 5 other clients, things might get a bit messy, but unless your router sucks, it can manage the traffic rather fine. In fact, I did this very same experiment: I had my WLAN filled with several clients and Steam IHS didn't tank because of bandwidth, it tanked because of lantecy. (To be honest, I haven't copied huge files over the network, I expect this to tank Steam IHS as well.) Which the post that I quoted claimed was not a problem while it bloody hell is!