Will this work over VPN?

[Jafesu]

Will streaming work on VPN such as hamachi?

[krisvek]

Probably, but with significantly higher latency and the issues related to that.

[MDuh]

Not for long for free in the future

[blackout24]

Unless both ends have fiber internet to get ultra low network latency (~10 ms) and 50 > Mbps Upload it won't make much sense anyway.

Theoretically it should be possible with a real VPN. Not toy applications like Hamachi, maybe.

[XDeadzX]

Originally posted by MDuh:

Not for long for free in the future

logmein is not the only vpn service out there. Not at all.

Teamviewer has a 1 to 1 vpn, Evolve has a game based vpn, Tunngle has game and party based vpn... There are quite a few other services out there as well, those three are just very popular options.

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It wouldn't really work in many places, given that upload rates are severly gimped in most nations. You need to be able to push 25mbits up constantly(minimum), while allowing for headroom loss through your ISP. And even that will only get you 720p30fps. If you want 1080p60 you'll need around 100mbits up. And then you need to mirror that on the other end to stream it.

It's just not logical to try to do it outside of your home network yet. Not without better encoding and better networks throughout the world.

[All Terrain Venomoth]

I think your bandwidth requirements are a bit excessive there. I was playing TF2 last night at 1440x900, 60fps, zero frame drops and only using between 10-12mbps of data in total. Still fairly high, but not unreasonable for anyone with fiber.

[XDeadzX]

Originally posted by Red:

I think your bandwidth requirements are a bit excessive there. I was playing TF2 last night at 1440x900, 60fps, zero frame drops and only using between 10-12mbps of data in total. Still fairly high, but not unreasonable for anyone with fiber.

You need to account for data loss and over head as well when leaving your home network. It's not as tightly held as home networks, and you'll need more bandwidth than just what you're using.

Plus, my streaming is going all the way up to 19mbit/s here with 720p30fps. So I guess it's really how your image quality ends up. That is, between 14 and 19.

[All Terrain Venomoth]

Originally posted by XDeadzX:

Originally posted by Red:

I think your bandwidth requirements are a bit excessive there. I was playing TF2 last night at 1440x900, 60fps, zero frame drops and only using between 10-12mbps of data in total. Still fairly high, but not unreasonable for anyone with fiber.

You need to account for data loss and over head as well when leaving your home network. It's not as tightly held as home networks, and you'll need more bandwidth than just what you're using.

Plus, my streaming is going all the way up to 19mbit/s here with 720p30fps. So I guess it's really how your image quality ends up. That is, between 14 and 19.

You can actually physically lower the bandwidth it uses to achieve this though, without sacrificing resolution or framerate. Yes, the overall bitrate will lower the quality, but it's a minor concession for what people are trying to achieve here.

[Satoru]

Oh the streaming will 'work'

Will it be PLAYABLE is a different question.

[Sawtaytoes]

It works over a VPN for sure if you use RDP. Haven't tried it any other way yet.

Here's the thread on RDP: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/homestream/discussions/0/540731690773015300/

[mun5mun4]

hi i'm korean so i have fast internet

today i played metal gear rising and ac4 and sonic t form

company(wireless)<- vpn(windows feature) ->home(wire)

both 100mbps same isp

ping is 20~40ms

metal gear rising very playable

host i7-3770 gtx670

client amd athlone 64 x2? dual 3Ghz company computer

[Satoru]

Originally posted by Saturn2888:

It works over a VPN for sure if you use RDP. Haven't tried it any other way yet.

Here's the thread on RDP: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/homestream/discussions/0/540731690773015300/

Getting something to work via RDP is a totally different question than getting the Home Streamign solution to work. It's not even in the same ballpark.

[XDeadzX]

Originally posted by Saturn2888:

It works over a VPN for sure if you use RDP. Haven't tried it any other way yet.

Here's the thread on RDP: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/homestream/discussions/0/540731690773015300/

It was choppy and slow, but the game worked

This is exactly "not working" if it isn't playable. You can also VPN directly through steam and it'll "work" in the sense that it will start displaying an image and give you controller support. However it won't be playable at all.

Originally posted by Red:

Originally posted by XDeadzX:

You need to account for data loss and over head as well when leaving your home network. It's not as tightly held as home networks, and you'll need more bandwidth than just what you're using.

Plus, my streaming is going all the way up to 19mbit/s here with 720p30fps. So I guess it's really how your image quality ends up. That is, between 14 and 19.

You can actually physically lower the bandwidth it uses to achieve this though, without sacrificing resolution or framerate. Yes, the overall bitrate will lower the quality, but it's a minor concession for what people are trying to achieve here.

I suppose that's true... I suppose then it is a little over-estimating, but you'd still need near a time and a half for anything playable, meaning for 5mbit/s streaming you'd need 7.50, for 10 you'd need 15... Getting lower the higher you went but none the less needing more than you "need."

[XDeadzX]

Originally posted by mun5mun4:

hi i'm korean so i have fast internet

today i played metal gear rising and ac4 and sonic t form

company(wireless)<- vpn(windows feature) ->home(wire)

both 100mbps same isp

ping is 20~40ms

metal gear rising very playable

host i7-3770 gtx670

client amd athlone 64 x2? dual 3Ghz company computer

This is actually one of the few places it'd work. Russia as well, maybe a few EU countries. However it won't work in the western markets due to different structures and no upload rate on anything.

What is your standard ping between the two computers? And what latency is steam reporting on the stream? This is very interesting given south korean internet.

[mun5mun4]

1.What is your standard ping between the two computers?
cmd-> ping ip address
13ms

2.what latency is steam reporting on the stream?
20~40ms
i have to check more time.

i saw just few second

i saw link utilization: estimated bandwidth 50Mbps

my setting

banwidth unlimited

30fps

1280*720

next week i will check more time

[XÆЯO_Vince]

It should be possible. Look at OnLive... its not perfect but it only requires a minimum 3 Mbps connection to capture games stream from data centers upto 1,000 miles away and any broadband connection except for probably satellite (too high of latency) works.

It should work in Steam over VPN if you can limit the bitrate to be under your upload limit and as long as your hosting end isn't satillite and your receiving internet connection has a downstream connection better than the uploading video stream.

Granted, if you don't have a great upload connection like many with DSL don't have (my upload is only at best 500 Kbps), the streamed video will have to be highly-compressed resulting in very poor video quality to work at 30 to 60 FPS.