Streaming from Windows XP host will be supported?

[TheTufik]

Or it's not gonna happen?
Right now it's not supported, and there is games that only run on XP (max payne 1 and 2 for example).
If going to be available, I could have a "master" computer - one that can run the new games or get streamed for the old one.

[🐶 Halfy]

Sorry, literally everyone and their grandmothers have moved off XP. You really should too. I'm sure this comment will be labeled as not very helpful or trolling but if so, people need to know that there comes a time when you should stop supporting operating systems because the gap is just too great. You don't see valve supporting Windows 98 for Half-Life, do you?

[Mr Crawdad]

You can run Max Payne and Max Payne in Windows 8.1. Create a text file in directory and rename to MaxPayne.bat and put this in there: start /affinity 1 MaxPayne.exe
Run the program by clicking on the bat file. Works like a charm. Windows XP R.I.P.

[Dagger]

i ran max payne 1 and 2 on 8.1 as well.... hell half-life (non source edition) works too and that worked for windows 9.x pc's back in the day
just get windows 7 or 8.1.
XP is garbage.
my PC has never froze when i wan 7, 8 or 8.1, but froze all the time on XP, just move on. the game works on even 8.1 theres no reason to get a different PC to run older games unless you want DOS games and a Voodoo 3DFX Glide card and a specific sound card...

[TheTufik]

I have windows 7 (and even 8.1) as my main machine where I play all my games , it's not what I'm talking about.
Max payne is just an example, I'm sure that there is more (steam doesn't let you filter by this parameter). The solutions for those games not always working, and when they do, It's not always perfect (require patches, not stable enough).
I have another computer with windows XP (as a secondery OS BTW) and as I metioned, I would like to keep playing on my main computer, and In-Home Streaming could be a solution for that.

[False Dmitry II]

I also think this should be allowed. The reason they give is that what they use to capture the audio is not present on XP. So they're artificially stopping it when it would otherwise just work.

In other words it would not actually take effort for them to allow XP hosting.

There are plenty of games that really do need XP or older to function.

[Dagger]

Originally posted by False Dmitry II:

I also think this should be allowed. The reason they give is that what they use to capture the audio is not present on XP. So they're artificially stopping it when it would otherwise just work.

In other words it would not actually take effort for them to allow XP hosting.

There are plenty of games that really do need XP or older to function.

and yet i bought games from the post DOS days PRE XP days, and they work on windows 8.1

hell i even got splintercell Pandora tomorrow to work on 8.1...
theres no reason to use a garbage OS just to play a game

[False Dmitry II]

Those DOS games generally use DOSBox. The original set of tomb raider games are a good example of this. They also do not actually function on at least my main computer without crashing, so this is clearly not even a good solution.

Pandora Tomorrow isn't old enough to have any problems.

An easy example would be the original Myst. Sure there are remakes of it, but it was difficult to get it to run even on XP, I'm not sure the actual original CD version can be used on a newer windows OS.

Complaints against XP being too old to use are completely irrelevant when the subject of this is a computer which only is used for that.

Streaming from an older computer with XP on it, completely intentionally, is a much faster solution. If I could do so, I'd be able to alt-tab and use my more powerful computer for anything else. Otherwise, I'd have to switch modes on my monitor and change keyboard/mouse configuration between the two computers, and I'd have to have the XP computer nearby.

[Dagger]

Originally posted by False Dmitry II:

Those DOS games generally use DOSBox. The original set of tomb raider games are a good example of this. They also do not actually function on at least my main computer without crashing, so this is clearly not even a good solution.

Pandora Tomorrow isn't old enough to have any problems.

An easy example would be the original Myst. Sure there are remakes of it, but it was difficult to get it to run even on XP, I'm not sure the actual original CD version can be used on a newer windows OS.

Complaints against XP being too old to use are completely irrelevant when the subject of this is a computer which only is used for that.

Streaming from an older computer with XP on it, completely intentionally, is a much faster solution. If I could do so, I'd be able to alt-tab and use my more powerful computer for anything else. Otherwise, I'd have to switch modes on my monitor and change keyboard/mouse configuration between the two computers, and I'd have to have the XP computer nearby.

Post dos,
meaning after....
meaning
it no usey dos
but no the original version of Myst which i own, doesnt work on steam but they have the remastered edition, so i dont see why you need it?
heck games like Rollercoaster Tycoon 1 and 2 were said to be unplayable on windows 7, and yet i got CD copies working on my 8.1 and the windows 7 in my living room.
and actually pandora tomorrow does have issues running on modern systems, newer GFX cards dont render because of some glitches in the game....

look into it, ubisoft got alot of flack that cards that came out a month later wouldnt play the game

[False Dmitry II]

Up through 98SE all windows OS' were based on DOS. So many "post-DOS" games are still actually DOS games, just depends on how it was made.

Myst was an easy example that I knew doesn't work, and is high profile enough that others might as well.

[Dagger]

Originally posted by False Dmitry II:

Up through 98SE all windows OS' were based on DOS. So many "post-DOS" games are still actually DOS games, just depends on how it was made.

Myst was an easy example that I knew doesn't work, and is high profile enough that others might as well.

im talking about games that didnt use dos to play, there were several games i had on windows 98 that didnt use dos and can still be played on modern windows,
such as rollercoaster tycoon.
even if the core OS is dos, many of the games used Java in the Post dos days (hell NT had no DOS yet i could play all those post dos games i owned on it on my windows 2000 NT sp4)
if the game didnt install using DOS, more than likely unless it was the elderscrolls adventures redguard (only game i know of that ONLY installed with windows but required DOS in the background to play the game, because it needed 16 bit compatability (aka dos), and the only OS's that support that are 16 bit versions of windows (ie 32 bit OS))

hell the only OS you would want to have to play oldergames would have to be 98SE
(I have one with a ATI RAGE 128 Pro, and a Voodoo Glide FX 3000 card) but that doesnt support steam)
windows 8.1 supports games that ran on XP,
and most of the time you do not need the XP Compatability mode that comes with a professional version of windows ( 7, 8, 8.1 ) to play a game that came out during the XP days,

the only games i couldnt get to work on modern windows that used late windows 98 OR windows XP (IE could be played on both because of Java) are some of the older LEGO games such as LEGO Knights Kingdom (Game played but had MANY visual issues, and sometimes would launch on a white screen.)

the only games you would have to run xp on to play would have to be games that need the 16 bit support, and XP would have to have to have the 32 bit version to run 16 bit applications.
and even if you had it, you have to use a work around usind the CMD, and even I dont ♥♥♥♥ around with the CMD. (usually it doesnt even work)

hell supposidly if you have the 32 bit version of windows 7, Myst should run natively.
(but with a ton of work arounds, just do a VM if you dont feel like buying the remastered edition, or getting a gog edition that works on modern windows... (non steam games like minecraft DO work through steam in home streaming, and ive tested this myself many times)

also id like to correct you on something
as of July 27th 1993, Microsoft had 2 versions of windows,
one based on the NT Kernel, the other based on dos (9.x) (but for 2 years prior they only had nt and windows 3.1x)

only after 2000 did dos and windows 9.x die (last 9.x OS with DOS support was actually windows Millenium Edition.

also the biggest issue why games from the DOS era dont run on windows NT kernel Operating systems is because direct memory access wasnt allowed because misbehaving applications could cause damage to hardware, games for dos were designed for direct memory access, and which even if they could run with java, they cant run on an NT kernel OS.
so, my main point here is that you dont need XP to run older games, as modern windows with Direct X 10.1 and newer support older Direct x, (10 on vista didnt support 1-9. so you did need XP back then to run the older games), you cant run 16 bit programs because your operating system doesnt allow it and DMA (direct memory access) for program use), and the dos integrated virtual machine that was in XP (pre SP3) didnt really have DMA use, and only was useful to run Business programs)

so to be completely honest
Dos box works through steam in home streaming,
non steam games work through steam in home streaming,
Max Payne 1 and 2 run fine on my windows 8.1 without having to configure anything at all special to even get it to run.

as long as modern windows stays with the NT kernel
and has 32 bit support
and has direct X support

you games from XP will still run just fine.
possibly any day now, steam client might not even support XP.

And sorry if i got too technical in this post.

[False Dmitry II]

Not too technical at all.

However, they are still artificially stopping my ability to use my XP laptop to stream games from, just because the audio capture API they are using does not exist. I'm sure I can deal with that myself if need be - that is by far not the hard part. There's no reason they can't just show a *this is not supported, and audio will not be captured, have fun* screen before starting hosting from XP.

[ReBoot]

The old Max Payne games actually run on later Windows versions.

[Dagger]

IMHO
drop XP
get a better PC

if your really ANAL about having XP compatability for nearly 100%, get a professional version of windows 7
(not that it helps)

[TheTufik]

Guys, what I was trying to say is NOT how to run max payne on windows 7 nor to claim XP is the perfect OS.
Face it, there are games which still being sold on steam that don't run perfectly on windows 7 and above, and that NOT gonna change because they not in development anymore\Microsoft doesn't care enough to support these kind of stuff.
Gamers who still want to play those games have two choises:
1. Make some hack that not always work to keep using windows7 and above.
2. Keep another machine running XP and enjoying best game experience in the cost of maintaning two machines.

What I was asking for, is to be able to play all my games from my main machine (that runs on windows7), include streaming old game from XP OS as one who chose the second choise above.
I think it's a legitimate reason, and I'm looking for the community support.

[False Dmitry II]

I think so too, that's why I said my XP laptop earlier. Being able to alt-tab out of an old game streaming from it and being able to continue using my main computer would be awesome.

Constant comments of "get a real OS" or "get a better PC" are completely missing the point. I have three other better computers than my XP laptop. Replacing it misses the reason I have it entirely.