cast from FHD to UHD

[Gurkoel]

I own a FHD monitor, can I stream to an UHD tv? I am thinking of buying a 4k tv, but only if that works. FHD works pretty good right know, I am really impressed.

[Xjph]

Yes, but you'll need some way to set your games to a higher resolution than your monitor supports. Enabling DSR (nvidia) or VSR (amd) can do this. Some people have also had luck with creating a custom resolution, or using software that creates a fake second monitor at the resolution you need.

[Gurkoel]

Alright thanks :).

[Gurkoel]

Hi! It's me again. I bought said 4k TV, but cant seem to get 4k streaming to work. I enabled DSR 4x. I can choose 4k resolution ingame but it wont let me set it (Tried with Mass effect LE). How would a 2nd monitor work? I probably would need to set it as primary monitor right? This way all games would be launched there which is inconvinient (I play on both; some games on my PC, some on my TV). Or is there another solution, where I can define which game runs on wich display?

[Xjph]

What do you mean by "won't let me set it"? You said you can choose it in game, so are you talking about the Remote Play client settings? What are you using on the client side (TV app? HTPC? Android?)

[Gurkoel]

I can choose that resolution in the game, but when I save and quit the settings it gets automaticly reverted to FHD.

[Gurkoel]

When I check details at Steamlink app it also shows me 1920x1080px resolution.

Oh and its an Android TV - I use the app from the playstore

[Xjph]

Huh. Does it work in other games? Sounds like Mass Effect LE just doesn't work with DSR at all.

So other options include creating a custom resolution in nvidia control panel (this may leave you with no image at all on your monitor while playing, depending on the monitor), or creating a fake second monitor by either using something like a dummy plug[www.amazon.ca] or doing it in software (but I don't know the specifics of the latter).

[Gurkoel]

Originally posted by Xjph:

Huh. Does it work in other games? Sounds like Mass Effect LE just doesn't work with DSR at all.

So other options include creating a custom resolution in nvidia control panel (this may leave you with no image at all on your monitor while playing, depending on the monitor), or creating a fake second monitor by either using something like a dummy plug[www.amazon.ca] or doing it in software (but I don't know the specifics of the latter).

Hood did not work too. But I couldn't choose 4k there at all. Will install sth. else and try later. Thanks in advance! :)

[Gurkoel]

It was actually the game! Seems to be a bug of ME1(LE), ME2(LE) and Mafia DE work! Thanks a lot.

[GuRu Asaki]

Originally posted by 501 Gurkoel:

I own a FHD monitor, can I stream to an UHD tv? I am thinking of buying a 4k tv, but only if that works. FHD works pretty good right know, I am really impressed.

You can run really any Resolution to Any Screen Display.
But you have to understand, unless the Quality is the same for both Displays,
somewhere along the way, the Quality is getting lost on the Display your
going to send images, Video, & Games over to.

So FHD to UHD isn't exactly going to Display UHD Picture on the UHD Display,
because the Picture is still FHD. The UHD Display might Upscale the picture to
look nicer, but it won't be as impressive as it would be if it was a
Native UHD Picture showing.

[Gurkoel]

Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:

Originally posted by 501 Gurkoel:

I own a FHD monitor, can I stream to an UHD tv? I am thinking of buying a 4k tv, but only if that works. FHD works pretty good right know, I am really impressed.

You can run really any Resolution to Any Screen Display.
But you have to understand, unless the Quality is the same for both Displays,
somewhere along the way, the Quality is getting lost on the Display your
going to send images, Video, & Games over to.

So FHD to UHD isn't exactly going to Display UHD Picture on the UHD Display,
because the Picture is still FHD. The UHD Display might Upscale the picture to
look nicer, but it won't be as impressive as it would be if it was a
Native UHD Picture showing.

So I would need a headless anyways?

Thought DSR makes the games calculated in 4k.

[GuRu Asaki]

FHD = 1080P correct?
UHD = 4K correct?

So all your getting is 1080P on 4K Screen,
you might sharpen & fix some pixels here or there,
but it'll still be the same 1080 picture size
that is stretched to fit the 4K TV Size.

---------------------------------------

The difference between 1080P & 4K are...

1080P has a special effect no other Display has
which provides some form of glossy color...

4K smooths & sharpens Images, but looses that
effect to create that glossy color...

4K also has HDR & Deep Color, & such features...

These Options aren't available to 1080 & 2K Image, at least not Natively...

DSR seems to Upscale or Downscale a picture to look nicer
on a smaller screen, 1080 can also produce SDR which is
a Standard Edition of HDR...

------------------------------------------------------------

Don't get me wrong? I usually do this for my setup myself,
I Stream my 5120x1440 Computer to a 4K / 4096x2160 TV...
I used Super Resolution = VSR to make this work with my
Computer, which the 4K TV Upscaled for me into the picture
I saw on Screen the TV Screen, & from there I used some TV
Settings to fix some of my Picture issues I was seeing...

The picture looks nice, but it has black bars on top & bottom of the Screen.
By fixing the Black bars on the Screen, it sorta becomes tall & Squished
on my Screen... This looks bad in some places, but in other places it
doesn't look so bad... Rocket League actually didn't look so terrible,
the Cars still looked normal, & the background was still pretty normal looking,
Jet Set Radio also looked quite decent looking, too... My Desktop Background
I think looked pretty normal as well, even STEAM did, even SF4 looked
pretty normal on Screen...

Some other stuff on the other hand did not look so great, though...
They were stretched in a weird way that didn't looked so good...

I think Movies were not so great on Screen, I forget... It really depended
on the material that was shown... As for DSR? I'm not so sure how that
might look differently from my VSR... But it seems to have a somewhat
close to the same effect on the Screen...

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Don't get me wrong? Try it out & see for yourself & determine for
yourself if you like using your setup like this? I don't have issues with it,
it still looks great for some things, but keep in mind Remote Play &
STEAM Link APP or STEAM Link Box might still might Degrade the picture,
due to problems with the STEAM Link it's self having issues in that Area,
unless you got a Solution to fix that yourself. Mine was not Wired, it
was Wireless, so that was an issue for me, maybe you'll have different
results with yours? No?

Good Luck!

[Xjph]

What on earth did I just read?

[Gurkoel]

Originally posted by GuRu Asaki:

FHD = 1080P correct?
UHD = 4K correct?

So all your getting is 1080P on 4K Screen,
you might sharpen & fix some pixels here or there,
but it'll still be the same 1080 picture size
that is stretched to fit the 4K TV Size.

---------------------------------------

The difference between 1080P & 4K are...

1080P has a special effect no other Display has
which provides some form of glossy color...

4K smooths & sharpens Images, but looses that
effect to create that glossy color...

4K also has HDR & Deep Color, & such features...

These Options aren't available to 1080 & 2K Image, at least not Natively...

DSR seems to Upscale or Downscale a picture to look nicer
on a smaller screen, 1080 can also produce SDR which is
a Standard Edition of HDR...

------------------------------------------------------------

Don't get me wrong? I usually do this for my setup myself,
I Stream my 5120x1440 Computer to a 4K / 4096x2160 TV...
I used Super Resolution = VSR to make this work with my
Computer, which the 4K TV Upscaled for me into the picture
I saw on Screen the TV Screen, & from there I used some TV
Settings to fix some of my Picture issues I was seeing...

The picture looks nice, but it has black bars on top & bottom of the Screen.
By fixing the Black bars on the Screen, it sorta becomes tall & Squished
on my Screen... This looks bad in some places, but in other places it
doesn't look so bad... Rocket League actually didn't look so terrible,
the Cars still looked normal, & the background was still pretty normal looking,
Jet Set Radio also looked quite decent looking, too... My Desktop Background
I think looked pretty normal as well, even STEAM did, even SF4 looked
pretty normal on Screen...

Some other stuff on the other hand did not look so great, though...
They were stretched in a weird way that didn't looked so good...

I think Movies were not so great on Screen, I forget... It really depended
on the material that was shown... As for DSR? I'm not so sure how that
might look differently from my VSR... But it seems to have a somewhat
close to the same effect on the Screen...

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Don't get me wrong? Try it out & see for yourself & determine for
yourself if you like using your setup like this? I don't have issues with it,
it still looks great for some things, but keep in mind Remote Play &
STEAM Link APP or STEAM Link Box might still might Degrade the picture,
due to problems with the STEAM Link it's self having issues in that Area,
unless you got a Solution to fix that yourself. Mine was not Wired, it
was Wireless, so that was an issue for me, maybe you'll have different
results with yours? No?

Good Luck!

If i recall you right, dsr wont provide true 4k, so I'd need a 4k Screen - or screen emulator to get a true 4k picture. And that one would then also render in HDR instead of SDR?

[Xjph]

Originally posted by 501 Gurkoel:

If i recall you right, dsr wont provide true 4k, so I'd need a 4k Screen - or screen emulator to get a true 4k picture. And that one would then also render in HDR instead of SDR?

You can fairly safely ignore most of that rambling. The resolution rendered by DSR is "real" and capturable. You can personally verify this by taking a screenshot from a game while using DSR for 4K and examining it closely if you like. It's genuine 4K that gets downscaled for final display; the capture happens before the downscale.

Also, HDR can work independent of resolution. I have no idea where they got the idea that it was somehow tied to a 4K display resolution. It's irrelevant though, since Remote Play doesn't capture with HDR in the first place.