In-Home Streaming Question (Hardware Encoding)

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Hello,

I am trying to set up hardware encoding for my in-home streaming remote computer, because I've been getting the "slow decode" errors.

The decoder is currently software but I'm not sure how to enable hardware encoding on my end. I read in a thread that I have to download Dx9 redistributable but I'm not sure if I need that or perhaps the newest DirectX version redistributable, I have no idea.

Any ideas here? I have the option enabled in Steam settings but it's still using software encoding because I assume I don't have the right setup on my remote laptop.

Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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Sorry for the confusion, but this is a decoding error, not an encoding error. I got the terms mixed up.

Basically, Steam refuses to use hardware decoding on my client laptop, and I can't figure out why. Any ideas?

[Baub]

system specs?

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System specs?

Client computer is a Toshiba Satellite L505D with dual core process, 3 or 4 GB RAM and an ATI Radeon 3100 integrated GPU.

According to the manufacturer, this GPU has UVD enabled, which should mean I should be able to use hardware decoding, but it's simply not working...

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And it's saying this in the streaming log

Sat Aug 30 20:57:04 2014 UTC - DXVA init resetting SDL renderer
Sat Aug 30 20:57:04 2014 UTC - DXVA: Using device ATI Radeon 3100 Graphics
Sat Aug 30 20:57:04 2014 UTC - DXVA init failed: Couldn't find H264 hardware decoder

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i got Gtx 680 + Core i5 2500 k @ host side
and client is my laptop HP Probook 4530s ( Core i5 + HD 3000 )
and its giving following msgs i.e Slow Capturing , Slow encoding etc etc
game loads perfectly .. but graphics quality is not as good as @ hosting side and gameplay is laggy ....

is it possible to get gameplay and graphics quality as good as Nvidia Shield ?

Suggest me how i can improve in home streaming ?

[Baub]

Publicado originalmente por fluent2332:

And it's saying this in the streaming log

Sat Aug 30 20:57:04 2014 UTC - DXVA init resetting SDL renderer
Sat Aug 30 20:57:04 2014 UTC - DXVA: Using device ATI Radeon 3100 Graphics
Sat Aug 30 20:57:04 2014 UTC - DXVA init failed: Couldn't find H264 hardware decoder

this sounds like the decoder that is supplied doesn't include a h.264, so you can turn down resolution or turn down bitrate or upgrade your client. I would try lowering my bitrate first if you can deal with the degraded picture quality than i'd go with that. lowering resolution should be through the in-game settings this will have to be done while lowering your bitrate (second best option), your CPU is having a hard time decoding the amount of data that is comming over the network. This may also be the best looking option if you are sitting away from the screen aka TV. finally if you can't live with the preformance that your client is able to decode you can usually pick up good clients on the cheap today.

[Baub]

Publicado originalmente por sheikhharoon:

i got Gtx 680 + Core i5 2500 k @ host side
and client is my laptop HP Probook 4530s ( Core i5 + HD 3000 )
and its giving following msgs i.e Slow Capturing , Slow encoding etc etc
game loads perfectly .. but graphics quality is not as good as @ hosting side and gameplay is laggy ....

is it possible to get gameplay and graphics quality as good as Nvidia Shield ?

Suggest me how i can improve in home streaming ?

your hijacking
start a new thread and list all of your spec including your resolution and network/router

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Publicado originalmente por Baub:

Publicado originalmente por fluent2332:

And it's saying this in the streaming log

Sat Aug 30 20:57:04 2014 UTC - DXVA init resetting SDL renderer
Sat Aug 30 20:57:04 2014 UTC - DXVA: Using device ATI Radeon 3100 Graphics
Sat Aug 30 20:57:04 2014 UTC - DXVA init failed: Couldn't find H264 hardware decoder

this sounds like the decoder that is supplied doesn't include a h.264, so you can turn down resolution or turn down bitrate or upgrade your client. I would try lowering my bitrate first if you can deal with the degraded picture quality than i'd go with that. lowering resolution should be through the in-game settings this will have to be done while lowering your bitrate (second best option), your CPU is having a hard time decoding the amount of data that is comming over the network. This may also be the best looking option if you are sitting away from the screen aka TV. finally if you can't live with the preformance that your client is able to decode you can usually pick up good clients on the cheap today.

But according to the manufacturer, the Radeon 3100 Mobility does have H.264 decoding. That's why I can't understand why it's not working :(

I will eventually update my client but in the meantime I'd like to experiment more with this laptop.

[Baub]

there seems to be a lot of mixed information out there about your gpu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Video_Decoder does not show your gpu under supported gpus towards the bottom of the page, and the manufacturer saying that it does. anyways I hope you can figure it out.

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If you scroll down on this page you can see that the 3100 mobility does have UVD >

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units#Mobility_Radeon_HD_3xxx_Series

[Baub]

well like I said, good luck, seems your gpu has questionable support. from the same article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_700_chipset_series#Integrated_graphics this claims that it is not supported.

Publicado originalmente por fluent2332:

And it's saying this in the streaming log

Sat Aug 30 20:57:04 2014 UTC - DXVA init resetting SDL renderer
Sat Aug 30 20:57:04 2014 UTC - DXVA: Using device ATI Radeon 3100 Graphics
Sat Aug 30 20:57:04 2014 UTC - DXVA init failed: Couldn't find H264 hardware decoder

notice that the log reports ATI Radeon 3100 Graphics and not ATI Radeon HD3100 Graphics.

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You may have figured it out, but this old driver update says it supports it as well:

Manufacturer:
ATI
Hardware:
ATI Mobility Radeon 3100
Software type:
Catalyst Software Suite
Version:
10.4
Released:
28 Apr 2010
System:
Windows Vista 64-bit
Windows 7 64-bit
Description:
Catalyst Software Suite for ATI Mobility Radeon 3100
New Features
This section provides information on new features found in this release of the ATI Radeon™ Display Driver. These include the following:
ATI Catalyst – Video enhancements
AMD video transcoding updates
ATI Catalyst – Video enhancements
H.264 Level 5.1 support
...

If you scroll down on this page to 10.4 and read it you'll see.

https://driverscollection.com/?H=Mobility%20Radeon%203100&By=ATI&dpage=27

So I'm not sure what to believe at this point...

[Baub]

I thnk that driver just enabled the ability to use the gpu to play back a higher bitrate.
http://blog.mediacoderhq.com/h264-profiles-and-levels/
it is probably using the whole gpu to playback that standard.

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I see.

Looks like it's time to upgrade my client, then. Any suggestions for a cheap-but-good laptop that can handle 1080p streaming?

[Baub]

personally, I would be looking on newegg for something with intel hd 4400 and above or amd HD 8400 and above. Not to say, you "need" that kind of hardware to decode, but you should probably go for bang for buck. Your satilite is kind of right before the support begins so you don't really need that much today to get streaming to work. There are people that have chromebooks running as clients.