Why is it wrong to ask for more anthros in games...

[Baalf]

... but it is perfectly fine to demand anthro characters be turned into humans?

[⚜Clever Fox⚜ 💙]

who says so?

[Baalf]

The people complaining that Unlucky 7 stars as furries, for starters.

[How Dig Can We Deep]

Why can't we only ever live as our fursona. That way all the anthros would be natural, and 'naturalist' if you follow me ;)

[How Dig Can We Deep]

Originally posted by Snipr14:

Originally posted by How Dig Can We Deep:

Why can't we only ever live as our fursona. That way all the anthros would be natural, and 'naturalist' if you follow me ;)

Following is for the sheep, but uneless you are that, then by all means

Oh trust me. I'm a sheep wink....

[Regal]

A lot of people don’t like furries, it’s as simple as that.

[Baalf]

Originally posted by Regal:

A lot of people don’t like furries, it’s as simple as that.

So? Some people are misanthropic, but it's still apparently wrong to b**** about human characters. Now it is, I rarely get interested in games that star humans, and if I do, that human usually has non-human allies. Non-human playables are a huge selling point for me.

[Regal]

Originally posted by MugoUrth:

Originally posted by Regal:

A lot of people don’t like furries, it’s as simple as that.

So? Some people are misanthropic, but it's still apparently wrong to b**** about human characters. Now it is, I rarely get interested in games that star humans, and if I do, that human usually has non-human allies. Non-human playables are a huge selling point for me.

I don't think it's fair to judge characters based on whether they're human or not human. Sure, everyone has their preferences, but both human and anthro characters can be given a poorly created design or personality.

[Baalf]

Originally posted by Regal:

Originally posted by MugoUrth:

So? Some people are misanthropic, but it's still apparently wrong to b**** about human characters. Now it is, I rarely get interested in games that star humans, and if I do, that human usually has non-human allies. Non-human playables are a huge selling point for me.

I don't think it's fair to judge characters based on whether they're human or not human. Sure, everyone has their preferences, but both human and anthro characters can be given a poorly created design or personality.

I personally disagree that humans can be interesting. I personally find the human appearance to be inherently boring and uninteresting, and I have issues with the race as a whole that make human characters even less likable for me. That is why non-human playables and good guys are such a huge thing for me.

[Regal]

Originally posted by MugoUrth:

Originally posted by Regal:

I don't think it's fair to judge characters based on whether they're human or not human. Sure, everyone has their preferences, but both human and anthro characters can be given a poorly created design or personality.

I personally disagree that humans can be interesting. I personally find the human appearance to be inherently boring and uninteresting, and I have issues with the race as a whole that make human characters even less likable for me. That is why non-human playables and good guys are such a huge thing for me.

I think it’s fair to have your preferences. I just think it’s not really mature to automatically hate on all human characters, just as I think you shouldn’t just hate on all furry characters. The fact is that we are human, so it makes sense for us to create stories with our own kind as the main characters, both good and bad. 99% of the population find human characters the most relateable, and for good reason. When you think about it, pretty much every non-human character in fiction is given human characteristics to be relatable, furry characters included.

[Baalf]

Originally posted by Regal:

Originally posted by MugoUrth:

I personally disagree that humans can be interesting. I personally find the human appearance to be inherently boring and uninteresting, and I have issues with the race as a whole that make human characters even less likable for me. That is why non-human playables and good guys are such a huge thing for me.

I think it’s fair to have your preferences. I just think it’s not really mature to automatically hate on all human characters, just as I think you shouldn’t just hate on all furry characters. The fact is that we are human, so it makes sense for us to create stories with our own kind as the main characters, both good and bad. 99% of the population find human characters the most relateable, and for good reason. When you think about it, pretty much every non-human character in fiction is given human characteristics to be relatable, furry characters included.

I'd be careful with statistics. More often than not, statistics are just guesses.

But as for me, none of the stories I come up with star humans or even have humans in them, and they probably never will.

[Narviee]

Originally posted by MugoUrth:

Originally posted by Regal:

I think it’s fair to have your preferences. I just think it’s not really mature to automatically hate on all human characters, just as I think you shouldn’t just hate on all furry characters. The fact is that we are human, so it makes sense for us to create stories with our own kind as the main characters, both good and bad. 99% of the population find human characters the most relateable, and for good reason. When you think about it, pretty much every non-human character in fiction is given human characteristics to be relatable, furry characters included.

I'd be careful with statistics. More often than not, statistics are just guesses.

But as for me, none of the stories I come up with star humans or even have humans in them, and they probably never will.

Guesses are guesses, statistics are based off research.

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However, using the sum of the convention attendees from this year gives 58,247 furries [taken from wiki fur]. Ignoring the people who attend multiple cons to make up for thoes who don't and adding another 500,000 ontop to be generous. Still dosen't make 1% of the worlds population (~7.7 Billion, as of writting).

The thing is when people are developing or marketing a story of a game half the time they want the audience to relate to the character. Since the world isn't all furry it's easier for people to relate to John or Jane Doe than some forigen creature. So getting anthro characters is rare, unless it's for pure story OR being directly marketed for a target audience.

Plus any game or story that isn't a web comic using anthro characters comes off as cheesey to me honestly.

[Baalf]

Originally posted by Narv The Ripper:

Originally posted by MugoUrth:

I'd be careful with statistics. More often than not, statistics are just guesses.

But as for me, none of the stories I come up with star humans or even have humans in them, and they probably never will.

Guesses are guesses, statistics are based off research.

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However, using the sum of the convention attendees from this year gives 58,247 furries [taken from wiki fur]. Ignoring the people who attend multiple cons to make up for thoes who don't and adding another 500,000 ontop to be generous. Still dosen't make 1% of the worlds population (~7.7 Billion, as of writting).

The thing is when people are developing or marketing a story of a game half the time they want the audience to relate to the character. Since the world isn't all furry it's easier for people to relate to John or Jane Doe than some forigen creature. So getting anthro characters is rare, unless it's for pure story OR being directly marketed for a target audience.

Plus any game or story that isn't a web comic using anthro characters comes off as cheesey to me honestly.

That's still a guess, though. Not every furry goes to conventions or even lets them self be known.

I have a huge problem with a lot of media though. A lot of it portrays humans as the only life capable of being good. Like a random game that has good guy elves and dwarves, but not playable anthro characters. What is an elephant, for example, from having just as much potential of being a good guy as a human with cat ears? A lot of media is narcissistic about humans, and that leads people to create generic character is instead of taking a chance and trying to make creative characters that aren't human. There is so many character is we could create it if we just looked past humans, and they don't need to be villains. You're not being creative by having a playable character that's just a human with a dog nose, then having a race of rabid chihuahuas as villains. And in a lot of games, like Project X zone, there is absolutely no good excuse for not having non-human playable. Their choice to not include non-human character is ruined the game for me.

[Regal]

Originally posted by MugoUrth:

Originally posted by Narv The Ripper:

Guesses are guesses, statistics are based off research.

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However, using the sum of the convention attendees from this year gives 58,247 furries [taken from wiki fur]. Ignoring the people who attend multiple cons to make up for thoes who don't and adding another 500,000 ontop to be generous. Still dosen't make 1% of the worlds population (~7.7 Billion, as of writting).

The thing is when people are developing or marketing a story of a game half the time they want the audience to relate to the character. Since the world isn't all furry it's easier for people to relate to John or Jane Doe than some forigen creature. So getting anthro characters is rare, unless it's for pure story OR being directly marketed for a target audience.

Plus any game or story that isn't a web comic using anthro characters comes off as cheesey to me honestly.

That's still a guess, though. Not every furry goes to conventions or even lets them self be known.

I have a huge problem with a lot of media though. A lot of it portrays humans as the only life capable of being good. Like a random game that has good guy elves and dwarves, but not playable anthro characters. What is an elephant, for example, from having just as much potential of being a good guy as a human with cat ears? A lot of media is narcissistic about humans, and that leads people to create generic character is instead of taking a chance and trying to make creative characters that aren't human. There is so many character is we could create it if we just looked past humans, and they don't need to be villains. You're not being creative by having a playable character that's just a human with a dog nose, then having a race of rabid chihuahuas as villains. And in a lot of games, like Project X zone, there is absolutely no good excuse for not having non-human playable. Their choice to not include non-human character is ruined the game for me.

Just because you don't like human characters doesn't mean everyone should just stop adding human characters to fiction. Everyone has their preferences, but you shouldn't let your preferences get in the way of how you critically view a piece of work. For instance, I personally don't like romantic movies. However, I don't say that a movie is objectively poor simply because it's a romantic movie. In addition, I don't go around complaining about how awful all romantic movies are because my preference and taste shouldn't be used to critically judge things. If you don't like a game, movie, TV show, comic, book, etc because it's not to your prefrence, the just forget about it and go find something else to enjoy. It's not the creator's fault that the piece of media they created isn't tailored to your specific likes and dislikes.

[Baalf]

Originally posted by Regal:

Originally posted by MugoUrth:

That's still a guess, though. Not every furry goes to conventions or even lets them self be known.

I have a huge problem with a lot of media though. A lot of it portrays humans as the only life capable of being good. Like a random game that has good guy elves and dwarves, but not playable anthro characters. What is an elephant, for example, from having just as much potential of being a good guy as a human with cat ears? A lot of media is narcissistic about humans, and that leads people to create generic character is instead of taking a chance and trying to make creative characters that aren't human. There is so many character is we could create it if we just looked past humans, and they don't need to be villains. You're not being creative by having a playable character that's just a human with a dog nose, then having a race of rabid chihuahuas as villains. And in a lot of games, like Project X zone, there is absolutely no good excuse for not having non-human playable. Their choice to not include non-human character is ruined the game for me.

Just because you don't like human characters doesn't mean everyone should just stop adding human characters to fiction. Everyone has their preferences, but you shouldn't let your preferences get in the way of how you critically view a piece of work. For instance, I personally don't like romantic movies. However, I don't say that a movie is objectively poor simply because it's a romantic movie. In addition, I don't go around complaining about how awful all romantic movies are because my preference and taste shouldn't be used to critically judge things. If you don't like a game, movie, TV show, comic, book, etc because it's not to your prefrence, the just forget about it and go find something else to enjoy. It's not the creator's fault that the piece of media they created isn't tailored to your specific likes and dislikes.

Yeah, but why omit non-human characters from a game when there is no good reason to do so, and it alienates the people who like non-human characters? I mean, you have to admit that a lot of human characters that get made in video games nowadays are are incredibly generic, and if non-human protagonist X characters can work with something, then I feel like adding them would add a lot more life and character to the franchise or universe surrounding them. Why should people who need every f****** Good Guy character to be human be catered to but not people who like non-human characters?

Also, I have a good reason to hate media that portrays us as perfect, oh so misunderstood creatures. I've been noticing that that kind of media has had a huge psychological effect on modern humans. I noticed people are generally not caring about life outside the human race like they used to. Even worse is that now people are treating huge environmental hazards as saviorism. I would not be surprised if years of having your species portrayed as perfect would have that effect on people.

Also concerning your previous statement of 99% of people find humans more relatable? First off, furries are not the only people that might find non-humans more relatable. It's also not taking into account the people that can find both humans and non-humans relatable and have no actual preference.

[Regal]

Originally posted by MugoUrth:

Originally posted by Regal:

Just because you don't like human characters doesn't mean everyone should just stop adding human characters to fiction. Everyone has their preferences, but you shouldn't let your preferences get in the way of how you critically view a piece of work. For instance, I personally don't like romantic movies. However, I don't say that a movie is objectively poor simply because it's a romantic movie. In addition, I don't go around complaining about how awful all romantic movies are because my preference and taste shouldn't be used to critically judge things. If you don't like a game, movie, TV show, comic, book, etc because it's not to your prefrence, the just forget about it and go find something else to enjoy. It's not the creator's fault that the piece of media they created isn't tailored to your specific likes and dislikes.

Yeah, but why omit non-human characters from a game when there is no good reason to do so, and it alienates the people who like non-human characters? I mean, you have to admit that a lot of human characters that get made in video games nowadays are are incredibly generic, and if non-human protagonist X characters can work with something, then I feel like adding them would add a lot more life and character to the franchise or universe surrounding them. Why should people who need every f****** Good Guy character to be human be catered to but not people who like non-human characters?

Also, I have a good reason to hate media that portrays us as perfect, oh so misunderstood creatures. I've been noticing that that kind of media has had a huge psychological effect on modern humans. I noticed people are generally not caring about life outside the human race like they used to. Even worse is that now people are treating huge environmental hazards as saviorism. I would not be surprised if years of having your species portrayed as perfect would have that effect on people.

Also concerning your previous statement of 99% of people find humans more relatable? First off, furries are not the only people that might find non-humans more relatable. It's also not taking into account the people that can find both humans and non-humans relatable and have no actual preference.

To answer your questions:

I don't think most human characters are generic, there are a lot of well-written characters even today. Games like Grand Theft Auto, Half Life 2, Team Fortress 2, Wolfenstein the New Order, and Titanfall 2 have some well written and entertaining characters. I'm sure you'll say the characters in these games are crap just because they're human, but most people can agree that these games have well-designed characters. Just because a character doesn't have a "unique design" doesn't mean they're bad. The focus is on the personality, more often than not.

The reason "people who like non-human characters" are rarely catered to is because most adults just prefer human characters. Which makes sense, as they are human. Animal characters are just kind of seen as weird by most of the population, so you can't blame game, movie, and TV show creators for not going with non-human characters most of the time. Obviously, there's exceptions, but you can't blame artists for creating characters that aren't alienating to most of the population.

And no, there are plenty of pieces of media that portray humans as flawed. Just look at a show like Breaking Bad. It's about how an everyday man turns into a cold-blooded criminal, and the people in the story are portrayed as anything but perfect. Or a game like Grand Theft Auto, which subtly criticizes our culture and the stupid things humans do, once again not portraying humans as perfect. Any good work gives their characters flaws, come to think of it. Look at any critically acclaimed work and you won't see the people in it portrayed as being able to do no wrong. That, and movies seem to love to shove in a "save the environment" message, or have the villain be a greedy businessman, once again criticizing human society.

And I don't understand why you think everyone find's non-human characters the most relatable. If that was the case, most movies, TV shows, and games would star non-human characters. You're in the minority, don't pretend you're speaking for everyone else on Earth.