This one is just ridiculous...

[GloriousZote]

On your google docs list:
1280: Strange Horticulture:
"Contains subtly anti-patriarchy messaging. The NPC Faye was raised by her mother who ran away once Faye's father hit her. 'Once is enough. When he struck her it finally broke the hold he had over her"
So according to this one, running away from an abusive relationship and domestic violence is 'woke'.
There's some odd choices of games on your list, but this one has got to be a mistake, right? You can't seriously suggest that domestic abuse is okay...

[› Furin]

It's not that domestic abuse is okay, it's the portrayal of an abusive father and the "liberation" of an "oppressed" woman.

This stuff happens in real-life yes. But why do you need to portray that in a videogame about horticulture?

I'd say there is a subtle feminist narrative there. Particularly if they intended this game towards mostly young females.

That's just my interpretation though. Let me know if you disagree.

[GloriousZote]

What, we're not allowed to learn about people's backgrounds?

[GloriousZote]

Originally posted by Elliesium:

What made them create a story like this though? It's the anti-man woke agenda that is taking over the western world. Don't you dare be a man or white or straight. What are the motivations here? This is how Rome fell, bad strategy and letting the enemy wear it down at the core. As a man i would never do that. This kind of story is insulting.

You know, not everything has to have a political motive, maybe it's just a story someone thought "Yeah, that's a normal story."
Getting as restrictive as the woke themselves in telling what's okay for people to write won't help our cause.

[› Furin]

Originally posted by GloriousZote:

You know, not everything has to have a political motive, maybe it's just a story someone thought "Yeah, that's a normal story."
Getting as restrictive as the woke themselves in telling what's okay for people to write won't help our cause.

We're not telling people what is and is not okay to write. We're simply pointing out when there are, as we see them, political themes/undertones present.

This game has an informational review, which is considered far less concerning compared to a not recommended review.

[GloriousZote]

If you say so, still a weird addition if you ask me, but hey, it's your list.

[john.sez]

Originally posted by Elliesium:

Originally posted by GloriousZote:

You know, not everything has to have a political motive, maybe it's just a story someone thought "Yeah, that's a normal story."
Getting as restrictive as the woke themselves in telling what's okay for people to write won't help our cause.

They can write whatever they want, we're just not gonna play their games, voting with our dollar. This is sort of like the idea of unions, but not woke, we do not beg, we bargain.

Hold on - unions are woke?

[3x1tus]

Originally posted by › Furin:

It's not that domestic abuse is okay, it's the portrayal of an abusive father and the "liberation" of an "oppressed" woman.

This stuff happens in real-life yes. But why do you need to portray that in a videogame about horticulture?

I'd say there is a subtle feminist narrative there. Particularly if they intended this game towards mostly young females.

That's just my interpretation though. Let me know if you disagree.

I fail to see how it fits into your list, to be honest. The message of "domestic violence = bad" doesn't seem political to me. I would assume almost everyone on the political spectrum would agree that a person able to escape an abusive partner is a good thing. Now, if the game insinuated that every man is just an abuser waiting to strike, or whatever, I would see your point.

Why portray it? Why not? Lots of stories mention heavy subjects, to build character and so on. That's not really anything new. Especially this theme isn't at all something that liberal media invented, it's been around forever.

[gamer time]

Originally posted by Elliesium:

What made them create a story like this though? It's the anti-man woke agenda that is taking over the western world. Don't you dare be a man or white or straight. What are the motivations here? This is how Rome fell, bad strategy and letting the enemy wear it down at the core. As a man i would never do that. This kind of story is insulting.

How is it insulting to depict something that happens in real life? Telling real and relatable stories is how compelling storytelling is done. Are you suggesting that any depiction of real struggles in fiction is woke? Or just that any issues that affect predominantly women shouldn't be talked about?

[› Furin]

Originally posted by 3x1tus:

I fail to see how it fits into your list, to be honest. The message of "domestic violence = bad" doesn't seem political to me. I would assume almost everyone on the political spectrum would agree that a person able to escape an abusive partner is a good thing. Now, if the game insinuated that every man is just an abuser waiting to strike, or whatever, I would see your point.

Why portray it? Why not? Lots of stories mention heavy subjects, to build character and so on. That's not really anything new. Especially this theme isn't at all something that liberal media invented, it's been around forever.

I can see where you're coming from. Maybe I'd agree with you 20 years ago, but after multiple decades of pro-feminist, anti-male (and anti-father) narratives in media, it's hard to see things as so innocuous anymore.

[Lordofriva]

The stats of DV do not bear out that portrayal, however the abusive father, who hits wife and daughter angle is a extremely often used as a story hook.

spreading feminist narratives is certainly something we should see as a woke aspect and should be at least tip the scales towards informational, depending on the relevancy.

[Zookes]

Feminism, sexual liberation, and anti-family sentiment are very woke.

Tho how does the game frame the domestic abuse justification? Is the husband an alcoholic, deranged lunatic, or uniquely abusive for some other reason? Is his reason for violence left unexplored? Was it arranged marriage and he has a bad personality because he's raised poorly?

Here is a simple rule of thumb: if it does not explore both sides of the event, the story is propaganda. It wants to portray one (bad) side as irrational and unpredictable, and the other (good) side as the most reasonable because it wants you to believe what it teaches.

Stories allow you to form your own opinions. Propaganda tells you what to think (and that's a good thing).