Demons Roots

[Deathpinca]

The entire story is DEI about creating a more diverse world and LGBT propaganda with the main character being gay and one of the two men crossdressing. MC runs a government that accepts and supports illegal immigrants.

[› Furin]

Thanks! I've added this one as not recommended.

I've had to take your word on most of this because I've had a hard time finding information about this game.

By chance, do you know if there are pedophilic (loli) sex scenes? My preliminary research indicated there might be but I can't be sure.

[xHans]

Originally posted by › Furin:

Thanks! I've added this one as not recommended.

I've had to take your word on most of this because I've had a hard time finding information about this game.

This game is not woke. You cannot take someone elses word on it for anything, This here is a clear case of someone who has probably never played a Japanese title in their life. The fact that there are gay characters in the game does not make it LGBTQIA+. Western devs maliciously impose their multi-cultural agenda into video games, JP indie devs don't give a flying F about any of that.

There is no pandering and the game is a contrast of it's prequel where humanity drove away the demons that were enslaving them while this one is about the demons who has been driven away 1000 years later. It is not a promotion of globalism nor diversity but more of an exploration of the circumstances of war and differences in species which lead to discrimination towards each other.

This is a seggs focused game, the MC is a lesbian(bi) but also engages in straight seggs. There is a homosexual but I don't remember seeing any scenes for that (I probably never pursued it since i'm not gay). It is not made entirely for a gay audience.

Is this game woke? No.

Is it perverted? Yes.

Is it made for modern audiences?

No

[Deathpinca]

From the methodology page

Originally posted by "https://steamcommunity.com/groups/Woke_Content_Detector/discussions/0/6975585346734259204/":

“Woke” content = any images, messages, characters, storytelling, dialogue, music, or game mechanics that include themes associated with the left-side of the political aisle in contemporary western politics.

These themes include things like: pro-LGBTQ+ messaging, pro-DEI messaging, pro-climate action messaging, pro-communism/socialism messaging, pro-abortion messaging, pro-pedophilia messaging, pro-immigration messaging, pro-transhumanism messaging, anti-western society messaging, anti-human messaging, anti-colonialism messaging, anti-capitalism messaging, anti-heterosexual messaging, anti-patriarchy messaging, anti-white messaging, anti-family messaging, anti-free speech messaging, anti-gun messaging, etc.

There is not just gay sex but story required gay sex that forces you to watch the scene. Many of the characters who are on your side are explicitly anti-human. The MC actively advocates for immigration and offers to take in refugees. There are lots of loli sex scenes including for explicitly school-aged characters. The game is overtly anti-patriarchical with the team of mostly female MCs are fighting on the front line against men, including all male emperors, and winning. The straight scenes that the MC partakes in are nearly always reluctant while she's actively enthusiastically engaging in the lesbian sex scenes. The main thing the MC is fighting for is the equity and inclusion of demons into human (often white) society (literally the E and I in DEI).

By the metrics of this curator, the game is unambiguously woke. Anything else would be undercutting the entire self-described purpose of the creator.

[xHans]

Originally posted by Pinka:

From the methodology page

Originally posted by "https://steamcommunity.com/groups/Woke_Content_Detector/discussions/0/6975585346734259204/":

“Woke” content = any images, messages, characters, storytelling, dialogue, music, or game mechanics that include themes associated with the left-side of the political aisle in contemporary western politics.

These themes include things like: pro-LGBTQ+ messaging, pro-DEI messaging, pro-climate action messaging, pro-communism/socialism messaging, pro-abortion messaging, pro-pedophilia messaging, pro-immigration messaging, pro-transhumanism messaging, anti-western society messaging, anti-human messaging, anti-colonialism messaging, anti-capitalism messaging, anti-heterosexual messaging, anti-patriarchy messaging, anti-white messaging, anti-family messaging, anti-free speech messaging, anti-gun messaging, etc.

Originally posted by Pinka:

There is not just gay sex but story required gay sex that forces you to watch the scene. Many of the characters who are on your side are explicitly anti-human. The MC actively advocates for immigration and offers to take in refugees.

I don't think you know what woke means. Those "immigrants" that you're talking about are demons invaders that the MC herself (Another demon) is taking in after conquering the first town. They are refugees because they lost the first war, It is part of the main story and not a woke concept. There is a reason why every character in the party hates the human side, I would say "play the game" but this game is obviously not for everyone and normies have to be gatekept because these type of opinions comes up.

Originally posted by Pinka:

There are lots of loli sex scenes including for explicitly school-aged characters.

The loli, also has nothing to do with woke. Disclaimer: Not defending* lolicons have existed since the beginning of time and is not an ideologically driven degeneracy. The game is not trying to normalize it like those LGBT activist that adds the "P" and also call those "minor attracted persons". Disclaimer: Not defending*

Originally posted by Pinka:

The game is overtly anti-patriarchical with the team of mostly female MCs are fighting on the front line against men, including all male emperors, and winning.

The game is NOT anti-patriarchal, the reason why most if not all party members are female it's because it's a seggs game and the one that is a dude, is an hermaphrodite however not even in the english translation does he identifies as trans. People confuses him as a girl and he says "no, i'm a dude".

There is a female human empress but she lost against her own species and was enslaved by her very own humans. She is also white.

Originally posted by Pinka:

The main thing the MC is fighting for is the equity and inclusion of demons into human (often white) society (literally the E and I in DEI).

The main character is delusional. The reality is that demons and humans in the world of demon roots cannot co-exist even tho the MC wants that. She is intentionally an idealist, the same thing that triggered the 1st war is bound to happen again and there were hints that it would. Why? Because bad times makes strong men (first demon war), strong men makes good times (human wins), good time makes weak men (Emperors that inherited their positions), weak men makes bad times ((Humans attacking their own species, enslaving for profit and entertainment).

Originally posted by Pinka:

By the metrics of this curator, the game is unambiguously woke. Anything else would be undercutting the entire self-described purpose of the creator.

Nah man, you clearly have no idea what woke is and the mod the fact that he simply "took your word for it" is a massive failure in fact checking.

[› Furin]

Originally posted by xHans:

Originally posted by Pinka:

From the methodology page

Originally posted by Pinka:

There is not just gay sex but story required gay sex that forces you to watch the scene. Many of the characters who are on your side are explicitly anti-human. The MC actively advocates for immigration and offers to take in refugees.

I don't think you know what woke means. Those "immigrants" that you're talking about are demons invaders that the MC herself (Another demon) is taking in after conquering the first town. They are refugees because they lost the first war, It is part of the main story and not a woke concept. There is a reason why every character in the party hates the human side, I would say "play the game" but this game is obviously not for everyone and normies have to be gatekept because these type of opinions comes up.

Originally posted by Pinka:

There are lots of loli sex scenes including for explicitly school-aged characters.

The loli, also has nothing to do with woke. Disclaimer: Not defending* lolicons have existed since the beginning of time and is not an ideologically driven degeneracy. The game is not trying to normalize it like those LGBT activist that adds the "P" and also call those "minor attracted persons". Disclaimer: Not defending*

Originally posted by Pinka:

The game is overtly anti-patriarchical with the team of mostly female MCs are fighting on the front line against men, including all male emperors, and winning.

The game is NOT anti-patriarchal, the reason why most if not all party members are female it's because it's a seggs game and the one that is a dude, is an hermaphrodite however not even in the english translation does he identifies as trans. People confuses him as a girl and he says "no, i'm a dude".

There is a female human empress but she lost against her own species and was enslaved by her very own humans. She is also white.

Originally posted by Pinka:

The main thing the MC is fighting for is the equity and inclusion of demons into human (often white) society (literally the E and I in DEI).

The main character is delusional. The reality is that demons and humans in the world of demon roots cannot co-exist even tho the MC wants that. She is intentionally an idealist, the same thing that triggered the 1st war is bound to happen again and there were hints that it would. Why? Because bad times makes strong men (first demon war), strong men makes good times (human wins), good time makes weak men (Emperors that inherited their positions), weak men makes bad times ((Humans attacking their own species, enslaving for profit and entertainment).

Originally posted by Pinka:

By the metrics of this curator, the game is unambiguously woke. Anything else would be undercutting the entire self-described purpose of the creator.

Nah man, you clearly have no idea what woke is and the mod the fact that he simply "took your word for it" is a massive failure in fact checking.

Hmm. There's a lot to unpack here, so let me get the simplest thing out of the way first:

I took his word for it because I was still able to verify most of what was claimed in the initial post, and because disagreement and debate are encouraged here.

This group encourages its members to come and debate the claims made about games by other members.

No one's analysis is perfect. I try to do the best I can, but obviously I can't personally play every single game suggested for this list.

The nature of a community-driven effort like this is that people come and contribute what they know. That inevitably requires a certain amount of trust in what other people say. As I said, I do what I can to verify what is said, but for some games (like this one), information can be hard to come by.

These Game Discussions allow all members to contribute their opinion. And, in the case of disagreement (as has happened here), a debate can be had (which I am now wading into).

Now then, on to the debate over whether this game is "Woke." I agree with Pinka and I appreciate him referencing our methodology page. I agree that according to our methodology, this game clearly falls within what we consider to be “Woke.”

To address particular points made by you, xHans:

Originally posted by xHans:

This here is a clear case of someone who has probably never played a Japanese title in their life.

That’s a strange assumption. One that is wrong when referring to me, I’ll let Pinka answer that himself.

Originally posted by xHans:

The fact that there are gay characters in the game does not make it LGBTQIA+

Again, I find this a rather strange thing to say. The G literally stands for gay. Now, if your point is, the game is not “Woke” even though there are LGBTQ+ characters, our methodology considers the very presence of such characters as pro-LGBTQ+. Whether subtle or overt depends on the degree. Here, with such characters being part of the main cast, and engaging in sexual acts, that is what I would call overt.

Originally posted by xHans:

It is not a promotion of globalism nor diversity but more of an exploration of the circumstances of war and differences in species which lead to discrimination towards each other.

This statement glosses over the presence of LGBTQ+ characters and sexual interactions.

Originally posted by xHans:

Western devs maliciously impose their multi-cultural agenda into video games, JP indie devs don't give a flying F about any of that.

Unless you are a member of the dev team, I don’t see how you could possibly know this. None of us are mind-readers. There's no possible way to know what a developer's motivations are for putting certain themes into the game unless they tell you themselves. Even then, it has to be taken with a grain of salt because things said publicly may not be true privately.

As far as Japanese developers as a whole, don't forget there are plenty of large studios doing these things themselves (Capcom, Square Enix, and Sega just to name a few). They have the resources to ignore Western cultural sentiments if they chose to. Yet they don't.

Originally posted by xHans:

This is a seggs focused game, the MC is a lesbian(bi) but also engages in straight seggs. There is a homosexual but I don't remember seeing any scenes for that (I probably never pursued it since i'm not gay). It is not made entirely for a gay audience.

It doesn’t matter whether it’s a sex game or not. What matters are the themes presented in the game. Here, there are very clear LGBTQ+ themes. Whether they are fetishized or not really does not matter.

Originally posted by xHans:

I don't think you know what woke means.

I’d say I do. I live in the US and interact with such people every single day of my life. I wrote this group’s methodology based on my understanding of US politics and leftist culture (which I myself am immersed in). If you disagree with the definition of “Woke” defined and used by this group, that would probably be best argued in its own discussion.

If you disagree with our definition being applied to hentai/sex games, there is also already a discussion on that topic:

https://steamcommunity.com/groups/Woke_Content_Detector/discussions/0/4360121020305689247/

In principle, I can understand where you’re coming from. Maybe I could be so charitable 20 years ago. But then again, gay marriage was a controversial issue 20 years ago. Now look where we are. You give them an inch and they take 10 miles.

[xHans]

This groups mods clearly have no idea what it means to be woke and anything gay, will automatically be LGBT and be labeled as woke. That means any story written about cross dressers, hermaphrodites with a comedic undertone will be labeled as woke while the leftist maliciously bastardize in wokelization and make them "trans" and "LGBT"

Example:
https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/v5tmwi/news_seven_seas_rewrites_a_femboy_into_a/

Demon roots has none of that, but hey... if you think this is woke that's a choice you've made which is not true and invalidates the credibility of this group. I've seen clowns that will label a yuri/BL visual novel as woke just because it's gay. "Woke and censored games alert" Steam group recognizes this and does it better.

I also live in the USA, in one of the wokes states surrounded by morons who enjoyed star wars the acolyte. Your personal experiences with wokeness does not invalidate the argument. It is an anecdotal fallacy.

This is all the time I intend to spend on this, as i'm not getting paid to reward you with knowledge.

[› Furin]

Originally posted by xHans:

That means any story written about cross dressers, hermaphrodites with a comedic undertone will be labeled as woke

While that is generally true, there are already multiple entries on this list for which a more nuanced explanation is provided. As an example, the review for Leisure Suit Larry 2 (originally published in 1988) makes note that the forced cross-dressing is only for a brief period and presented in a humorous way.

I haven’t seen you or Pinka mention a “comedic undertone” present in this game in regard to LGBTQ+ themes. That’s something we take into consideration if it’s there.

Originally posted by xHans:

while the leftist maliciously bastardize in wokelization and make them "trans" and "LGBT"

Unless you can read the original language or have a reliable translation and comparison with the English script, you are assuming it is the localizers doing this single-handedly.

Originally posted by xHans:

if you think this is woke that's a choice you've made which is not true and invalidates the credibility of this group.

That’s your opinion. Stating “it’s not true” does not mean you are right and I am wrong. Especially so if you are unwilling to debate our methodology and simply say we are wrong and don’t know what we are talking about. That’s just ad hominem.

Originally posted by xHans:

I've seen clowns that will label a yuri/BL visual novel as woke just because it's gay.

Again, more ad hominem.

Originally posted by xHans:

Your personal experiences with wokeness does not invalidate the argument. It is an anecdotal fallacy.

Misconstruing my argument as only being about my own personal experiences, when that was only one part of my argument, is a fallacy itself - attacking a strawman.

Originally posted by xHans:

This is all the time I intend to spend on this, as i'm not getting paid to reward you with knowledge.

I find it interesting you see it that way given the overwhelming disparity in knowledge provided by me to you (also for no reward).

Oh also, running away from a debate is never going to convince people you are right.
Food for thought.

[Deathpinca]

Originally posted by xHans:

This groups mods clearly have no idea what it means to be woke and anything gay, will automatically be LGBT and be labeled as woke. That means any story written about cross dressers, hermaphrodites with a comedic undertone will be labeled as woke while the leftist maliciously bastardize in wokelization and make them "trans" and "LGBT"

Example:
https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/v5tmwi/news_seven_seas_rewrites_a_femboy_into_a/

Demon roots has none of that, but hey... if you think this is woke that's a choice you've made which is not true and invalidates the credibility of this group. I've seen clowns that will label a yuri/BL visual novel as woke just because it's gay. "Woke and censored games alert" Steam group recognizes this and does it better.

I also live in the USA, in one of the wokes states surrounded by morons who enjoyed star wars the acolyte. Your personal experiences with wokeness does not invalidate the argument. It is an anecdotal fallacy.

This is all the time I intend to spend on this, as i'm not getting paid to reward you with knowledge.

With all the clearly woke stuff you seem to like (gay stuff, crossdressing, etc) you sound just as woke as the people you claim to dislike.