We need more lists of non woke games.

[Dom the otaku gamer]

I think we should focus on finding more non woke games than on finding more woke cult games.

[H-Foundry PIXIV]

Just for the sake of being more thorough I would go even further than 2 binary categories of woke/non. I was thinking of posting this in the "Thread for non-woke games", but that's probably dedicated for just that rather than discussing a more nuanced side point, even if it's on-topic. Anyway my categories would be:

1 - woke game
2 - non-woke game (neutral content)
3 - game where developer has resisted woke demands (doesn't mean they're not woke, but has soured their relationship)
4 - game where the developer is anti-woke, or at least (assuming absence of other woke content) has introduced anti-woke elements that are non-negotiable to the left.

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Non-woke:

An important aspect of 'non-woke' games is that the developer can still be maximum woke and release a non-woke games. In which case your money is still going to people that hate you, funding their other projects.

Quick example

Koei Tecmo added an ESG page on their official website last year and created an 'ethics' department for global audiences to address 'problematic' content.

Since then games like Atelier and Blue Reflection were affected with some censorship and anti male-gaze changes.

Speed up to Current Year, Koei Tecmo re-released Ninja Gaiden 2 Black on steam recently, but all the male-gaze content remains intact. Too lazy to remove.

All their other projects which aren't remasters/remakes are affected by the woke, toning down the male gaze, including Dynasty Warriors: Origins, which came out a few days ago, where the number of women are reduced to 5 and have modest costumes.

So I personally would just look at the developer and see if their backlog, and if they've taken ESG pledges etc. I would recommend against buying NG2Black based on the sins of the developer, it's not like we're just guessing if they're woke or not after all. Ninja Gaiden 4 will be toned down, like Dynasty Warriors Origins since it's being made from the ground up.

Non-woke can be a trick in that regards. Where in some games they really want the anti-woke crowd's money, since the 'modern audience' isn't enough, so they make some neutral toned down bland thing where they avoid and tip-toe around every landmark that gives an indication which side of the fence they're on.

Quick example: body types in a character creator, people will know your allegiance if you introduce Body Types or male/female. Solution: just don't have a character creator or have one like Path of Exile 2.

Another one is where all the women wear modest outfits, all the banter is sanitized just as much can be before offending reddit/resetera (see Resident Evil 4 Remake as an example, Silent Hill 2 Remake is another one). Both games are non-woke if they were looked at without context of the changes to the original. It's not hard to see the thought process behind the changes and we often know directly the reason for the most controversial ones. RE4R costumes had modest for Ashley, whilst the original RE4 were milquetoast/normal (like the Britney Spears one), but even those were too much for the 'modern audience'.

Oh reminds me, Wukong is non-woke, but not anti-woke. It's content is just neutral as far as I'm concerned. Gaming journos hated it and made irrational claims that the game hates women etc. those were unfounded, but their hate doesn't mean it had anything anti-woke in the game. It made no statements on body types, no hot women (no body-positive ones either) etc. It's just a non-woke, neutral-content game.

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Resisted:

A game where developer has resisted woke demands (doesn't mean they're not woke, but has soured their relationship due to demands):

Soulash 2 dev resisted the woke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHE_Tw6jCBM

Stardew Valley resisted the woke:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0_-5z-k-cU&t=87s

It wasn't enough to have gay marriage and such already in the game, the woke still wanted more and to remove the male/female. Even suggesting the dev is transphobic setting up the stage to cancel him.

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Anti-woke developer:

Assuming no other woke content or developer background, most any game that has a non-negotiable sin, something they see as a declaration of war, a rejection of their core ideals.

Like a really hot woman, hetero male gaze (Stella Blade).
Male and female in a character creator.
Hetero romance options only (they updated Runescape to wokify this element).
etc.

Lords of the Fallen is a strange one as they were on the bandwagon then disembarked, flipping the bird.

https://fandompulse.substack.com/p/type-a-and-type-b-to-be-replaced

[Dom the otaku gamer]

That would help a lot, sort things out, and make it neat.

[Zook]

i have a list of 2000+ non woke games if you want it

[Dom the otaku gamer]

Originally posted by Zook:

i have a list of 2000+ non woke games if you want it

Sure, I'd like the list.

[Zook]

Originally posted by Dom the otaku gamer:

Originally posted by Zook:

i have a list of 2000+ non woke games if you want it

Sure, I'd like the list.

Not sure if I'm allowed to link it. Its on backlogged

[Dom the otaku gamer]

Originally posted by Zook:

Originally posted by Dom the otaku gamer:

Sure, I'd like the list.

Not sure if I'm allowed to link it. Its on backlogged

Well try it.

[Bobafett345_]

I see a good amount of "contains no woke content" on the list.

The problem isn't that more non woke games aren't listed, it's that there aren't more non woke games. Unless you are pulling form the vault.

[Dom the otaku gamer]

Originally posted by Bobafett345_:

I see a good amount of "contains no woke content" on the list.

The problem isn't that more non woke games aren't listed, it's that there aren't more non woke games. Unless you are pulling form the vault.

Well we need to look for more retro games then, there are lots of non woke old games.

[Rifluvr]

Originally posted by Bobafett345_:

I see a good amount of "contains no woke content" on the list.

The problem isn't that more non woke games aren't listed, it's that there aren't more non woke games. Unless you are pulling form the vault.

All pre 2013 games are not woke just by definition. They absolutely clean. But if you really want to pull something our of your nose than you can find "woke" even in 80s retro classics like for example - Sonic on SEGA is "woke" because pro-environmental activism. We are not joking here

[Bobafett345_]

Originally posted by Rifluvr:

Originally posted by Bobafett345_:

I see a good amount of "contains no woke content" on the list.

The problem isn't that more non woke games aren't listed, it's that there aren't more non woke games. Unless you are pulling form the vault.

All pre 2013 games are not woke just by definition. They absolutely clean. But if you really want to pull something our of your nose than you can find "woke" even in 80s retro classics like for example - Sonic on SEGA is "woke" because pro-environmental activism. We are not joking here

I didn't say they were ALL not woke, I simply pointed out that you had *more* options pulling from the vault.
I agree with you: sadly, the mind rot goes a lot further back than a lot of people realize.

[Rifluvr]

Originally posted by Bobafett345_:

I agree with you: sadly, the mind rot goes a lot further back than a lot of people realize.

That's not what I said, and I disagree. Brain rot is closer than you think. Even opinions of this group should be treated critically. If you pay attention, you'll understand why.

[H-Foundry PIXIV]

Originally posted by Rifluvr:

All pre 2013 games are not woke just by definition. They absolutely clean. But if you really want to pull something our of your nose than you can find "woke" even in 80s retro classics like for example - Sonic on SEGA is "woke" because pro-environmental activism. We are not joking here

Going off-topic, but I remember on the awful woke DRAGON QUEST III HD-2D Remake forum here on steam, someone unironically argued the game already contains "politics" because it has Kings and Queens (a "political" system/hierarchy). This was to justify modern woke politics in the remake and a counter that people don't want "politics in their games". A troll argument obvs, but they double down on it.

[Rifluvr]

English-speaking commentators don't see the difference between politics and politicization, which plays in favor of woke idiots. Star Wars prequels (episodes 1-3) are about politics, but they are apolitical, since they never promote anyone's political side outside of the world in which they exist. Same with HL2, Bioshock, Deus Ex, and other games who labeled as political in these days, but never were really until recently.

[Pretzel von Schnitzel]

I don't know what you guys used to play there when you were kids. I remember well the whining gay Anders from DA2 (2011) (he wasn't like that in DAO:A) and the whining ship member from ME3 (2012). Both are of course Bioware (EA) games. And these are not some hidden moments. At that time I didn't know about universes like D&D, but if you look today, we see perverted version of medieval fantasy with modern diversty even in old games.
Everyone has their own opinion about what an agenda is and at that time it certainly wasn't sponsored by serious people like today. Today everyone and everything pushes the agenda. Naturally, many people are very tired of this. Why should we make exceptions just because the game is old?

Originally posted by Rifluvr:

English-speaking commentators don't see the difference between politics and politicization, which plays in favor of woke idiots. Star Wars prequels (episodes 1-3) are about politics, but they are apolitical, since they never promote anyone's political side outside of the world in which they exist. Same with HL2, Bioshock, Deus Ex, and other games who labeled as political in these days, but never were really until recently.

Bro, I'm sorry, of course. I'm not trying to be smartass, but you said some crap about politics and politicization. Politics is not something wonderful and fair. It's a dity field with very different people. Politicization in politics is only a tool for increasing ratings and promoting one's interests. There have always been and will be politicized people. Developers are not saints either. Although some famous people have openly spoken about their points of view in various videos. Woke views in the field of video game development are not uncommon. In the past, they were simply more or less restrained by their superiors and it was not mainstream.

Bioshock has always been about politics. That's the whole point of the game. What are you even talking about? A rich capitalist wanted to build a city without a government that constantly interferes with businessmen.

“I am Andrew Ryan, and I'm here to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? 'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor.' 'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'It belongs to God.' 'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'It belongs to everyone.' I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose... Rapture, a city where the artist would not fear the censor, where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality, Where the great would not be constrained by the small! And with the sweat of your brow, Rapture can become your city as well.”
― Andrew Ryan

[Rifluvr]

Originally posted by Unapologetic Bigot:

Why should we make exceptions just because the game is old?

Because things like nuances exists. When old dev added gays they believe that this make their creation good or at least have sense in context of created world. Modern devs add LGBT because propaganda well paid. They don't even believe in this, they use it. Gays and LGBT are different things.

Originally posted by Unapologetic Bigot:

Bioshock has always been about politics.

Wrong. It was about shooting enemies and cool superpowers. Your politics obscure your eyes so much that you don't see the game. You're no less politicized than woke, just in exactly the opposite direction. That's why I gave 90's Sonic example.
P.S.: Nice profile background btw