Civ VII threat

[gromenawer]

I would like to open a discussion about the possible inclusion of civ 7 to the list. So I invite anyone who have further prove of wokeness or censorship to post your findings. The game launches in about a month.

As of right now, what I can find:

- General uglification of characters, such as Isabella of Spain
- Forced bizarre leaders, such as Japan (Himiko), Egypt (Hatshepsut), or USA (Harriet Tubman)
- Forced civs, such as putting Buganda as example of modern civ as the same level of USA or France.
- 2K and Firaxis are official partners of SBI
- On the censorship part, their Steam Forums are a threats lock graveyard and banned users (including me).

There are unrelated topics to wokeness, such as blatant monetization or Denuvo usage. For more info on those, I would just recommend joining any of the anti-denuvo curators though.

[H-Foundry PIXIV]

Them silencing any dissent reddit style is a big red flag by default.

DEI-ing 'history', and uplifting/tokenizing figures/civilizations far beyond their post like this is just another example of the reality of history, it doesn't care about your feelings and the left being mad 'history' lacking in 'diversity' in the areas they require angers them to no end. That's how they end up getting their shills like Thomas Lockley, who was the Assasins Creed: Shadows shill write a propaganda book in Japan, which journos then referenced back to as evidence of Yasuke being a Samurai in wikipedia.

They have to make things up and the big tell is how they rage-cancel people on their safe-space forums who dare go against the grain and not just accept 'their truth'.

Reminds me of this story: Britain Is So Desperate for Famous Blacks It Invents Them
https://odysee.com/@AmericanRenaissance:7/BlackBritain:c

https://www.amren.com/videos/2023/11/britain-is-so-desperate-for-famous-blacks-it-invents-them/

They unironically try and say Charlotte, queen of George III was black, depict Isaac Newton as black etc.

[SaMpLe SLAyEr]

How is Hatshepsut "bizarre" exactly, may I ask? Aside from the proven documented fact that Amenhotep II tried to rewrite history by literally manually erasing recordings of her off the walls, texts, defacing her statues, and ruining all of her political/governing achievements?

[gromenawer]

Plenty of other leaders across many dynasties that were more important and never tackled in a civ game or historical 4x game before; such as the first king of unified Egypt Narmer. Which goes quite nice with the game's theme of developing civilizations.

On the female side, I would even argue that Sobekneferu had a way shorter reign but she was more relevant if you want to go with the strong female ruler motto. And more specially if you want to go with the change of civs theme that the game want to have.

It seem bizarre to me that they go with constant classics (Napoleon, Isabella) in some but them in other they shift to popularly unknown leaders (some of which even weren't civ leaders at all).

[gromenawer]

I would even rather play as Akhenaten, even thou he was a total ass, as you can add many anti-religious gimmicks to screw with other civs faith, or moving onto monotheist religious. And, as many other men and women, he were almost deleted from history by their successors.

[@R+5]

Originally posted by Kawayol:

How is Hatshepsut "bizarre" exactly, may I ask? Aside from the proven documented fact that Amenhotep II tried to rewrite history by literally manually erasing recordings of her off the walls, texts, defacing her statues, and ruining all of her political/governing achievements?

maybe the answer is already part of your own question.

why focusing in a "secondary character", when there are "bigger" and more "relevant characters" (but still not well known, since every now and then new facts are found or recovered). the more popular and relevant a historical character was, the more data will be about it (positive, negative, as well as fake, but all useful to speculate more about what is more probable to be "accurate" rather than "revisionist").

and im not against adding such "secondary characters", but to include them, those should be presented as part of sidequests and minor events: in a game about "civilisations and war", i would prefer to learn a bit more more of genghis khan, than his third cousin, o some less known ruler that did a few interesting things, but not as impressive as those to the "main guy".

i agree with op, their choices for some characters appear to be biased by something foreign to the nature of the franchise and the game itself, therefore i agree is ok to call them "bizarre" (and maybe "woke").

[xHans]

They will never add the fuhrer as a character ingame. This company is indeed woke and the game have only started to reflect that on their last entry when they hoped on the DEI bandwagon.

[gromenawer]

THEY NERFED CATHERINE TITTIES!!

Before: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/p5go2Sc-5Ss/maxresdefault.jpg

After: https://youtu.be/ph_YJOuvm80?t=14

[SaMpLe SLAyEr]

She didn't even look like that IRL (neither the first nor the second "variant"), but, hey. It's the literal "letmetellyouaboutyourcountry"ism of westerner llibertardoid burgerlards. To say none of this is any historically accurate to real actual people, is to greatly underplay things. It's BS.

Also, she's not "Catherine", ffs. She is Ekaterina. This is NOT same or "equivalent" name. It's always hilarious to observe how westerner burgerlards try to falsely spin and just lie about anything Russian ever, be that the people, locations, politics, economics, culture, or history.

[d3adf1sh]

Originally posted by gromenawer:

THEY NERFED CATHERINE TITTIES!!

Before: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/p5go2Sc-5Ss/maxresdefault.jpg

After: https://youtu.be/ph_YJOuvm80?t=14

good eye. i don't understand why people are SO afraid of putting tits in video games? didn't the libtards have that whole "free the nipple" campaign a few years back?

Rumble in the morning, the morning show on FM99 Virginia Beach use to play this song every once in a while.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPi3njHtGkk
Show Them to Me - Rodney Carrington

[H-Foundry PIXIV]

Originally posted by gromenawer:

THEY NERFED CATHERINE TITTIES!!

I just like how Capcom didn't nerf a recent character's boobs (Mai) in SF6. I'm guessing they paid their protection money so no nasty articles and bot/shills moan how it's "dangerous to women".

[Evangela]

Good lord... I've seen so many depictions of Himiko in many games and anime, but in Civ they gave her a weird design that looks more like some Asian American feminist.

[H-Foundry PIXIV]

Harriet Tubman is a nation leader or something?

https://fandompulse.substack.com/p/civilization-vii-steam-moderation

My earlier posts explains a lot of this thought process.

[@R+5]

civ 7 should be listed as woke.

[xHans]

I got banned from civ 7 forums for saying that they playtested the game with diversity hires which they themselves were boasting about it and the game came out as an incomplete mess. It is a woke game and im no tourist, I have 300 hours in civ 5.