Banned Because of FOV Changer

[aLBinomaureN]

Hi!
So i have been playing with a FOV-Changer (Field of View) for like over a year now. A field of view changer (FOV-Changer) are a innocent program that makes your screen be smaller, so you can like see the whole stock of your weapon etc. For you guys that doesnt know what a fov changer is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyxQSJ_mqao


In several games you can find FOV optin. (Mw2 PC, Minecraft, BF3, BFBC2, Far Cry 3).
Today, i got banned because of using a fov changer. Fov is not a hack at all.
I think it's ridicolus to ban me because of using a fov changer. Many people reported me because i was good at the game, beacuse i got used to the Field of View i was using.

I think i should be unbanned, first a year after i started using it, now i get banned.
500NOK out of the window for nothing wrong.

[Astori Heichalot]

Ido not think FoV is the cause.

Celinee ♥ :님이 먼저 게시:

Many people reported me because i was good at the game,

yeah right.......

Celinee ♥ :님이 먼저 게시:

Today, i got banned because of using a fov changer.

false,
you do NOT know what caused you the ban. do not make things up


you have 100 friends in total,
more than 30 are inactive for months,
20 are VAC banned...

and no, this is not a discrete math question,
just pointing out some..."things" that seemed kinda dodgy

Satoru님이 먼저 게시:

You have a lot of 'friends' that are VAC banned.....

one is judged by the company they keep.

[Astori Heichalot]

Muppet among Puppets님이 먼저 게시:

it should be written BIG FAT on the store page that a game fails to provide this feature. This natural feature of computer games.

no,
if the game does not provide fov change, then it is not natural for that game.
a game is like a package, it comes "that" way from the developer.
should you tinker/modify with the game content, then you are breaching the game usage rights.

The developers, however, have the option to contest such behavior or just sit tight do nothing or implement patch to enable fov in game.

it is not about advantage or disadvantage

[Astori Heichalot]

Muppet among Puppets님이 먼저 게시:

Its just a stupid choice to remove or not implement fov settings. Its nothing to defend.

to edit/modify game files is against the license of game usage. nobody own the "game", the developer owns it. We, players, paid the game to USE it, not own it. either we take it or leave it.
Again, it is up to the developers whether to cater what player needs (in this case, FoV setting) or do nothing by letting us self-modify it or contesting the copyrighted rights.

Muppet among Puppets님이 먼저 게시:

it HAS TO be written on the box.


You can not expect people to pay 60 dollars, and have nausea. Or give them a refund.

they did,
all games, digital or not digital, have their own booklet.
nowadays, games have it under pdf files inside the document folder (within the game folder).
there is a Health and Epileptic Seizure section usually at the end of the booklet.

you cannot have epileptic seizure and the sue the game developers (well you could, but you'll lose), because it has been warned.
it is the same as any fps games, you cannot buy the game, and then claim you have nausea, and return the game.
well you could return the game to the local store, but it is the local store's choice, not the developer's.

Muppet among Puppets님이 먼저 게시:

Also you "should" ban people who play with a mouse if others stick to a joypad? So much advantage.

no, that is not advantage, that's a benefit for having gadgets. consoles also have keyboard & mouse socket if they wanted to.


I am not defending the fov editing, I like to be able to see more, therefore I am getting larger monitor (bigger than standard). to be able to see more, is pure advantage, but hey, thats the benefit to me for getting a more expensive monitor.
however, anything that you have said is counterable by any game developers, because they had anticipated "almost" all of your points.

[Valeriaan]

It is moot to discuss exactly how "unfair" a FOV changer is. The official position has been given - FOV changers are not bannable. Until it can be shown with something besides personal opinions and speculation that this is no longer the case, we shall assume this still applies.

Therefore, it strongly stands to reason that something else than a FOV changer has triggered the ban. This is also the impression I'm getting from the opening post - the FOV changer is used as a convenient scapegoat.

If he feels his ban is not justified, let him contact Support. The people overseeing VAC can see perfectly well what triggered the ban, they'll clear it up.

Evanescence님이 먼저 게시:

It's still give an unfair advantage. It's not available on the game directly, alterating the game to get it is bannable.

Please provide a concrete factual basis from which we can surmise that this is indeed a bannable offense. Until that time, I'm afraid this is and remains solely your personal opinion.

There are in fact rather strong indications that the opposite is the case; that it is not a bannable offense. Until you can disprove this contention with something more than just your subjective opinion, I propose to continue from the assumption that this is and remains the official stance on the matter.

Evanescence님이 먼저 게시:

And you shouldn't listed a devs saying that, specially a such old post.
There's probability you rebuy a copy hence they get more money, so don't trust everything they say.

He didn't quote it, I did, and for good reason. I like to provide something of a factual basis for an argument instead of just postulating my personal opinion, presenting it as "fact" and speculating from there. The latter is pointless and irrelevant.

"Such an old post"? That developer's statement is about a year old. Literally: it was made on the 1st of June, 2012. I sincerely doubt it has since been stripped of its veracity. If you have good reason to assume it has changed other than the speculative argument you posited, please feel free to correct me.

You can find that post here: http://www.callofduty.com/thread/200397140#205674719

In general, positions can change, yes, but in this specific instance we have absolutely no indication whatsoever that this is the case here. So, once more, let's assume that the more founded position is the logical one.

Evanescence님이 먼저 게시:

Use your logic, if it's give an unfair advantage SPECIALLY if you can't do that normally with the game, it's SURELY prone to VAC ban.

I'm sorry, but this is not "logic" - these are irrational and unfounded arguments you're presenting. Personal (=subjective) opinion =/= objective fact.

Allow me to speak in plain terms. I fear your position has no factual basis, instead you're relying solely on your personal opinion and speculation. By doing so, you're actually spreading misinformation.

[V3T1S]

A few words of advice:

If it is not part of the game or an option in the game settings..................

DO NOT USE IT

[BADSPistawful]

I used an FoV changer in mw2 and mw3. No ban.

[Coffee]

"The VAC system reliably detects cheats using their cheat signatures. Any third-party modification to a game designed to give one player an advantage over another is classified as a cheat or hack and will trigger a VAC ban. This includes modifications to a game's core executable files and dynamic link libraries."

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7849-Radz-6869

FOV Changer allow you to view more than normally you can in the game, hence it's an advantage.


About the dev post.

Yeah, it's a fact, he posted it.
But that's not a fact that he's gonna respect what he say.
VALVe add hacks to VAC database, not devs, they can submit but not add it themself.
So fact is, VAC can have any cheat added to their databse, no matter what the dev say.


Also, the fact is devs are making money on each game sold, so don't take any devs words at 100%. Devs are not in obligation to respect what they say.

Valeriaan님이 먼저 게시:

It is moot to discuss exactly how "unfair" a FOV changer is. The official position has been given - FOV changers are not bannable. Until it can be shown with something besides personal opinions and speculation that this is no longer the case, we shall assume this still applies.

Therefore, it strongly stands to reason that something else than a FOV changer has triggered the ban. This is also the impression I'm getting from the opening post - the FOV changer is used as a convenient scapegoat.

If he feels his ban is not justified, let him contact Support. The people overseeing VAC can see perfectly well what triggered the ban, they'll clear it up.

Evanescence님이 먼저 게시:

It's still give an unfair advantage. It's not available on the game directly, alterating the game to get it is bannable.

Please provide a concrete factual basis from which we can surmise that this is indeed a bannable offense. Until that time, I'm afraid this is and remains solely your personal opinion.

There are in fact rather strong indications that the opposite is the case; that it is not a bannable offense. Until you can disprove this contention with something more than just your subjective opinion, I propose to continue from the assumption that this is and remains the official stance on the matter.

Evanescence님이 먼저 게시:

And you shouldn't listed a devs saying that, specially a such old post.
There's probability you rebuy a copy hence they get more money, so don't trust everything they say.

He didn't quote it, I did, and for good reason. I like to provide something of a factual basis for an argument instead of just postulating my personal opinion, presenting it as "fact" and speculating from there. The latter is pointless and irrelevant.

"Such an old post"? That developer's statement is about a year old. Literally: it was made on the 1st of June, 2012. I sincerely doubt it has since been stripped of its veracity. If you have good reason to assume it has changed other than the speculative argument you posited, please feel free to correct me.

You can find that post here: http://www.callofduty.com/thread/200397140#205674719

In general, positions can change, yes, but in this specific instance we have absolutely no indication whatsoever that this is the case here. So, once more, let's assume that the more founded position is the logical one.

Evanescence님이 먼저 게시:

Use your logic, if it's give an unfair advantage SPECIALLY if you can't do that normally with the game, it's SURELY prone to VAC ban.

I'm sorry, but this is not "logic" - these are irrational and unfounded arguments you're presenting. Personal (=subjective) opinion =/= objective fact.

Allow me to speak in plain terms. I fear your position has no factual basis, instead you're relying solely on your personal opinion and speculation. By doing so, you're actually spreading misinformation.

[Coffee]

Muppet among Puppets님이 먼저 게시:

Evanescence님이 먼저 게시:

FOV Changer allow you to view more than normally you can in the game, hence it's an advantage.

You are begging to get banned for a normal change. Good job "gamer".
Instead of demanding that vital functions shouldnt be removed.

"FOV changer"...... Hell, i am a FOV changer! In games like tf2 and stuff. And you use that word as if its something bad.

You find it ok that people pay 60 dollars and cant play the game while nausea. How can you defend and put in concrete, what isnt best for all?

The dev is having the right to remove the FOV settings.
I never said it was ok to remove those settings.

But that's not giving you the right to cheat to get more FOV.

[Coffee]

Muppet among Puppets님이 먼저 게시:

Evanescence님이 먼저 게시:

The dev is having the right to remove the FOV settings.
I never said it was ok to remove those settings.

But that's not giving you the right to cheat to get more FOV.

If that was cheating, VALVE implemented a cheat into their games. For example.
And people who make the setting would have an advantage of those who dont use it.

Shouldnt there be just one resolution btw?

So much "cheating"......?

There's a huge difference between cheating to access FOV settings that aren't in the final build of a game and using FOV that is accessible in the game because the devs decided to.


You pay for a "license" of the game, you are violating the license by doing unautorised modification to the game, hence the FOV changer..



That's why they ban for.

[Coffee]

Muppet among Puppets님이 먼저 게시:

Evanescence님이 먼저 게시:

There's a huge difference between cheating to access FOV settings that aren't in the final build of a game and using FOV that is accessible in the game because the devs decided to.

You pay for a "license" of the game, you are violating the license by doing unautorised modification to the game, hence the FOV changer..

That's why they ban for.

Luckily you are not in any way involved in managing anticheating software.
Anticheat software is not made to make the gaming world a sad place.
You would.

VAC is only make you sad for you if you cheat.

[Coffee]

Muppet among Puppets님이 먼저 게시:

Yes, so lets keep anticheat for cheating.
And not for forcing people to get nausea and looking through a tunnel for no reason.

Changing the FOV using third-party software is cheating, because the devs want to get you nauseaous isn't a valid reason to cheat.