Lifetime bans

[rosspest]

Even though, I've never had a ban, and am generally intollerant of cheaters. I do not agree with lifetime bans.
If you caught your child cheating at a game, and you tattoed "cheater" on his forehead, and made him carry that for the rest of his life, would that be humane?
Everyone is human and everyone makes mistakes. If you got a ban at age 17, should you be forced to carry it at age 28?
Say someone cheated at CS:GO and killed me unfairly a bunch of times, and got a VAC ban. Sure, I would be a little annoyed at the kid, but would not wish to see the kid still carrying the VAC ban after he graduated Med. school, and had a wife, and a few kids.
If I would wish that on him, I would be worse than someone who cheated at a silly game.
If you give someone a life senence then they have nothing to lose in commiting the same crime over and over again under a different account.
Even if you are not a Christian, it just makes better sense to try to rehabilitate a cheater.
1st ban.....one year VAC ban
2nd ban.....two year VAC ban
3rd ban.....five year VAC ban
In my opinion cheaters and those who support lifetime bans fall into the same catergory....people who take thier gaming far too seriously.

[StuntCock]

I saw a guy yesterday still cheating and with 9 VAC bans.. NINE!!

I am all for shutting down his steam account and removing all games.. It should have been done on the 2nd time. You get one chance... you cheat then BAN.. do it again and lose all your games here on steam.

ALL cheaters are thieves who steal from all of us. They should not be allowed to remain on steam.

[Blanchflower]

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I saw a guy yesterday still cheating and with 9 VAC bans.. NINE!!

I am all for shutting down his steam account and removing all games.. It should have been done on the 2nd time. You get one chance... you cheat then BAN.. do it again and lose all your games here on steam.

ALL cheaters are thieves who steal from all of us. They should not be allowed to remain on steam.

I agree with you that those who cheat 2 or more times should not be allowed on Steam.

However not all cheaters are thieves. Some cheat due to other reasons that others are cheating. They got sick of the cheats and decided to cheat themselves.

[ReBoot]

Which is still a dumb reason to cheat.

[Blanchflower]

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Which is still a dumb reason to cheat.

Yes, but I fell into temptation, I am afraid.

[Cathulhu]

As if there is a good reason to cheat.

[ReBoot]

By the way, VAC used to give temporal bans. It didn't work. Cheaters came back to cheating.

[The Longest Rose]

Your responsibilities are clearly laid out. The punishments for failing to fufill those responsibilities are clearly laid out. A permanent ban on all VAC servers in the game you cheated in. A permanent mark on your account. You were warned not to.

It is not in anyone's best interests to give the least bit of allowance to cheaters. When we give some leeway to cheaters, they go and cheat again. That's what the users have proven. You were told not to. If you do, that's not Valve's problem, it's yours.

[rosspest]

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By the way, VAC used to give temporal bans. It didn't work. Cheaters came back to cheating.

I would be curious as to how long these "Temporal bans" were for?? 30 days?

I still think my idea of....
1st. offense.....1 year ban
2nd. offense....2 year ban
3rd. offense.....5 year ban
.....would work, and should at least be tried.

I may be wrong, but I don't see someone like Blanchflower returning to make the same mistake, he simply has too much to lose.

Even though I don't claim to be a Christian, I do believe in forgiveness, and a second chance, particularly if the person admits to thier mistake.

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Your responsibilities are clearly laid out. The punishments for failing to fufill those responsibilities are clearly laid out. A permanent ban on all VAC servers in the game you cheated in. A permanent mark on your account. You were warned not to.

It is not in anyone's best interests to give the least bit of allowance to cheaters. When we give some leeway to cheaters, they go and cheat again. That's what the users have proven. You were told not to. If you do, that's not Valve's problem, it's yours.

History is full of people who make mistakes far worse than cheating in a game, learned from thier mistakes, and retruned to do a lot of good. One such man, a notorious persecutor of Christians, wrote 2/3rds of the New Testament.

[Blanchflower]

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By the way, VAC used to give temporal bans. It didn't work. Cheaters came back to cheating.

I would be curious as to how long these "Temporal bans" were for?? 30 days?

I still think my idea of....
1st. offense.....1 year ban
2nd. offense....2 year ban
3rd. offense.....5 year ban
.....would work, and should at least be tried.

I may be wrong, but I don't see someone like Blanchflower returning to make the same mistake, he simply has too much to lose.

Even though I don't claim to be a Christian, I do believe in forgiveness, and a second chance, particularly if the person admits to thier mistake.

Początkowo opublikowane przez the Portaller:

Your responsibilities are clearly laid out. The punishments for failing to fufill those responsibilities are clearly laid out. A permanent ban on all VAC servers in the game you cheated in. A permanent mark on your account. You were warned not to.

It is not in anyone's best interests to give the least bit of allowance to cheaters. When we give some leeway to cheaters, they go and cheat again. That's what the users have proven. You were told not to. If you do, that's not Valve's problem, it's yours.

History is full of people who make mistakes far worse than cheating in a game, learned from thier mistakes, and retruned to do a lot of good. One such man, a notorious persecutor of Christians, wrote 2/3rds of the New Testament.

Thanks. At least there is still some merciful people on Steam VAC discussion forums.

[The Longest Rose]

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I would be curious as to how long these "Temporal bans" were for?? 30 days?

Five years.

History is full of people who make mistakes far worse than cheating in a game, learned from thier mistakes, and retruned to do a lot of good. One such man, a notorious persecutor of Christians, wrote 2/3rds of the New Testament.

That man changed his name before writing the New Testament, much like you have to do with a VAC ban.[/quote]

[ReBoot]

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By the way, VAC used to give temporal bans. It didn't work. Cheaters came back to cheating.

I would be curious as to how long these "Temporal bans" were for?? 30 days?

First one year, then two years, then five years. So don't tell me that a year temporary ban is going to work.

[Plan B (NL)]

It would be great if you could pay a penalty fee to unban your account.

[Plan B (NL)]

And it would also be great if we received more warnings on COD games.

[ReBoot]

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And it would also be great if we received more warnings on COD games.

Common sense says "Cheating is bad". Do you really need anything more than that?

[bored]

I agree with OP. Permanent ban is never the answer... We all make silly mistakes in life and sometimes succumb to temptation. They should lay out a new punishment format for vac-banned players so that all the cheaters get a second chance.