Jimbo 2015 年 3 月 17 日 上午 7:34
3d Ripper DX Software
Hello
I've been on steam for a few years (since half life 2 came out i think) and have always been in good standing. However I now have a VAC ban on my account. You're all heard the whiney I've never cheated stories before and the same is true for me, so i've been trying to think what may have brought about a VAC ban.

The only software i've used which might be dodgy is something called 3d ripper DX, which supposedly allows you to capture 3d models from 3d software, though i've never got it working as I only have access to 3dsmax 2015 and it seems to only work with 2009 or earlier. Anyway, does anyone know if this software is likely to trigger a VAC ban?

The reason I tried to use it, is my wife loves Harry Potter and i've been using some software called Unity to create VR environments for the oculus rift, so she asked if I could create a broomstick ride with the rift around hogwarts. Googling harry potter 3d models led me to a youtube link with a number of models available for download, which led me to the software used to capture the models - 3d ripper dx.

To lose my account for something like this will be heartbreaking and it made me feel sick when I realised my account had a ban on it, as gaming has always been my hobby and seems to now be turning into my work as well.
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Silicon Vampire 2015 年 3 月 17 日 上午 7:41 
by the looks of what it does, it is modifying video files to do whatever it needs to so, yes, if you had it running on a VAC secure server, there is a high probability it caused your ban. VAC just doing what it is programmed to do. VAC bans for modified core files. Video subsystem is about as core as you get...
Profile 2015 年 3 月 17 日 上午 7:43 
I've eard of this from a long time ago. It will most likely cause a VAC ban, since it hooks into the DirectX engine to identify the mesh and trrelated tecturebuffer/lpivots, joints etc. data and then extracts that data.
Whilst this may seem harmless, it has the capacity to detect the location of occluded entities and pivots etc. or specific tris that may be similar in fashion to part of workings for wallhack or aimbots etc. As such, there is every chance this should NEVER be running and certainly not hooked-into any VAC-enabled game when on a secured server.

Also, please remember to
1) Refer to the licensing agreement for any software you wish to use this software on/for since you may not be licensed to do so.
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Hi-Torque 2015 年 3 月 17 日 上午 7:49 
引用自 Profile
I've eard of this from a long time ago. It will most likely cause a VAC ban, since it hooks into the DirectX engine to identify the mesh and trrelated tecturebuffer/lpivots, joints etc. data and then extracts that data.
Whilst this may seem harmless, it has the capacity to detect the location of occluded entities and pivots etc. or specific tris that may be similar in fashion to part of workings for wallhack or aimbots etc. As such, there is every chance this should NEVER be running and certainly not hooked-into any VAC-enabled game when on a secured server.

Also, please remember to
1) Refer to the licensing agreement for any software you wish to use this software on/for since you may not be licensed to do so.

It might be worth asking Support to reevaluate your ban. However, as Profile mentions, there are numerous articles published by Support warning of using a trusted machine when connecting to VAC Servers.
Jimbo 2015 年 3 月 17 日 上午 7:52 
Thing is, I didn't use the software on any steam related game. The only game I tried it with was Order of the Phoenix (awful game by the way!) But once I realised you needed 3dsmax 2009 I gave up.

To run the software on a game you have to point it at the .exe file and let the software load the game. As I didn't use this process to run any steam software, steam must have actively looked for the software? (still assuming this is the reason for my VAC ban)
Profile 2015 年 3 月 17 日 上午 8:00 
If you were not connected via steam to a VAC-secured server when the program was running, and did not hook into anything during this time either, then it might not be the cause, HOWEVER - the problem with such things, is that upon installation or use, the software might have made some modifications or installed an auto-start service/process or otherwise made some impact to the operating system or directX files etc. that could be present even when the program is not being run/used/even when uninstalled.

It's really not necessarily possible to know for sure either without a real thorough investigation into the computer OS and registry etc.

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To receive any VAC ban at all you MUST connect to a secured server - so it may help oif you check what game your VAC ban is actually for...
Silicon Vampire 2015 年 3 月 17 日 上午 8:12 
my cursory look at what the software does makes me think it does, in fact, modify the main video subsystem of the computer. This may earn a VAC ban in any VAC enabled game.
Jimbo 2015 年 3 月 17 日 上午 8:15 
Is there a way to find this out, other than hoping steam support will speak to you?

How would knowing what game I was in help? I don't recall any online games recently other than DayZ and CS:GO. (Trying to play DayZ last night and failing is what alerted me to a problem with my account in the first place)

I suspect my only chance of having a ban lifted (although it is against the steam policy to do so) would be if they could see any reference to the 3d ripper software in whatever data they gather to justify a ban
ReBoot 2015 年 3 月 17 日 上午 8:19 
Open your Steam settings to view your ban info.
Profile 2015 年 3 月 17 日 上午 8:45 
引用自 PsychoJim
Is there a way to find this out, other than hoping steam support will speak to you?

How would knowing what game I was in help? I don't recall any online games recently other than DayZ and CS:GO. (Trying to play DayZ last night and failing is what alerted me to a problem with my account in the first place)

I suspect my only chance of having a ban lifted (although it is against the steam policy to do so) would be if they could see any reference to the 3d ripper software in whatever data they gather to justify a ban

You can check which game the ban applies to as per ReBoot's suggestion.

The reason I thought it may help is because you must have been running that game and connected to a VAC-secured server when the VAC detection was made, (DayZ and CSGO are both VAC enabled). Though it sounds like it was DayZ if it was that game that informed you of your VAC ban?

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It most certainly would be worth contacting Steam Support, however regardless of your actual intention or circumstance, if the ban was applied for something that is indeed verified as a potential cheat, it will be most certainly considered valid.

Unfortunately the actions of a few undesirables make things difficult for the majority and in these cases, if a program can be exploited to cheat or operates similarly to the activity of particular cheats, then it needs to be dealt with as such, since otherwise it would be an all-too-easy excuse for those who ARE cheating to claim their use was innocent.
Jimbo 2015 年 3 月 17 日 上午 8:47 
Ok thanks. Will have a good look when I get home.

Didn't see anything in the steam software last night that I can't see on my profile now though - a message saying 1 VAC Ban on record and Info linking me to here: http://steamcommunity.com/actions/WhatIsVAC
Silicon Vampire 2015 年 3 月 17 日 上午 8:51 
you need to look in the Steam client; Steam menu/Settings.
Jimbo 2015 年 3 月 17 日 上午 9:03 
引用自 Profile
引用自 PsychoJim
Is there a way to find this out, other than hoping steam support will speak to you?

How would knowing what game I was in help? I don't recall any online games recently other than DayZ and CS:GO. (Trying to play DayZ last night and failing is what alerted me to a problem with my account in the first place)

I suspect my only chance of having a ban lifted (although it is against the steam policy to do so) would be if they could see any reference to the 3d ripper software in whatever data they gather to justify a ban

You can check which game the ban applies to as per ReBoot's suggestion.

The reason I thought it may help is because you must have been running that game and connected to a VAC-secured server when the VAC detection was made, (DayZ and CSGO are both VAC enabled). Though it sounds like it was DayZ if it was that game that informed you of your VAC ban?

_

It most certainly would be worth contacting Steam Support, however regardless of your actual intention or circumstance, if the ban was applied for something that is indeed verified as a potential cheat, it will be most certainly considered valid.

Unfortunately the actions of a few undesirables make things difficult for the majority and in these cases, if a program can be exploited to cheat or operates similarly to the activity of particular cheats, then it needs to be dealt with as such, since otherwise it would be an all-too-easy excuse for those who ARE cheating to claim their use was innocent.

Yeah, my first thought was to contact steam to find out what was going on. Though it did make me feel worse when they send an automated response, which basically says you're screwed and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

I've been as honest with my messages to steam as possible, though being potentially indistinguishable from cheating little gits means they may just totally ignore my plea for reconsideration.

I blame my wife for wanting to fly around Hogwarts!
Jimbo 2015 年 3 月 17 日 上午 9:09 
By the way, thanks to all of you for reading my garbled messages and responding. You're far more patient than I am!
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