devs giving game bans for offensive voice chat

[Zeuslander™]

the use of the game ban function explicitly states that its meant to be used for cheating however some devs (in my case phasmaphobia) are handing out game bans over offensive language in voice and text chat and because of steams hands off policy with this feature it allows for very frivolous game bans to go unchecked. it would be nice if we had a tool to report this kind of misuse for review that way perhaps steam could tell its happening but currently it feels like they can just do what they want and they feel very confident steam will never check

[I know i'm shit but..]

"the use of the game ban function explicitly states that its meant to be used for cheating however some devs"
game ban isn't just for cheating.

[lolyeahno]

Originally posted by Mashed Potato Johnson:

the use of the game ban function explicitly states that its meant to be used for cheating

Wrong.

[Mr. Monday]

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/46DB-4CEC-F7E9-49E5

Playing games should be fun. In order to ensure the best possible online multiplayer experience, Valve allows developers to implement their own systems that detect and permanently ban any disruptive players, such as those using cheats.

Cheating is just one example of disruptive behavior.

[Unn4m3d (♥AUT♥)]

Originally posted by Mashed Potato Johnson:

the use of the game ban function explicitly states that its meant to be used for cheating

It does not. Also, your Game Ban has NOTHING to do with VAC or its forums.

[Zeuslander™]

Originally posted by I know i'm ♥♥♥♥ but..:

"the use of the game ban function explicitly states that its meant to be used for cheating however some devs"
game ban isn't just for cheating.

Game bans are only designed to manage cheating. They should only be applied to players who gained an unfair competitive advantage when playing multiplayer versions of content and services. https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/anticheat they state it multiple times in multiple posts

[Zeuslander™]

Originally posted by Unn4m3d (♥AUT♥):

Originally posted by Mashed Potato Johnson:

the use of the game ban function explicitly states that its meant to be used for cheating

It does not. Also, your Game Ban has NOTHING to do with VAC or its forums.

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/anticheat can you show me something to contradict this? "Game bans are only designed to manage cheating. They should only be applied to players who gained an unfair competitive advantage when playing multiplayer versions of content and services."

[Crashed]

Originally posted by Mashed Potato Johnson:

Originally posted by Unn4m3d (♥AUT♥):

It does not. Also, your Game Ban has NOTHING to do with VAC or its forums.

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/anticheat can you show me something to contradict this? "Game bans are only designed to manage cheating. They should only be applied to players who gained an unfair competitive advantage when playing multiplayer versions of content and services."

You should note that "should" is different from "shall" from a legal standpoint. "Should" is a suggestion, not a binding requirement. It's within the rights of a publisher to remove players who are disrupting the enjoyment of the game by other players.

[Zeuslander™]

Originally posted by Mr. Monday:

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/46DB-4CEC-F7E9-49E5

Playing games should be fun. In order to ensure the best possible online multiplayer experience, Valve allows developers to implement their own systems that detect and permanently ban any disruptive players, such as those using cheats.

Cheating is just one example of disruptive behavior.

thats the biggest reach ive seen, and even there it clearly points out its emphasis on cheating, and by disruptive they likely mean exploit (safespaces on map or griefing etc) but its clearly oriented for game play. if we wanna get picky about the language then one could argue they said "implement their own systems that detect and perma ban" there isnt a proper system that monitors voice chat like that atm especially not in smaller developer teams where this misuse of power is most prevalent. to further that point, for example a moderator being offended by something someone says in game chat isnt a "system detecting disruptive behaviour" its human a brain detecting hurt feelings and acting irrational.

[Zeuslander™]

Originally posted by Crashed:

Originally posted by Mashed Potato Johnson:

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/anticheat can you show me something to contradict this? "Game bans are only designed to manage cheating. They should only be applied to players who gained an unfair competitive advantage when playing multiplayer versions of content and services."

You should note that "should" is different from "shall" from a legal standpoint. "Should" is a suggestion, not a binding requirement. It's within the rights of a publisher to remove players who are disrupting the enjoyment of the game by other players.

while i agree with your definitions of those 2 words i think there is much to be said about the fact that we are focusing on the semantics when it shouldnt be that complicated, so either devs are using a language loop hole in the semantics of the word "should", or they are ignoring the word "should entirely" but either way it makes my original point of needing some sort of steam inspection/check just as valid.

[Hammer Of Evil]

Originally posted by Mashed Potato Johnson:

the use of the game ban function explicitly states that its meant to be used for cheating however some devs (in my case phasmaphobia) are handing out game bans over offensive language in voice and text chat and because of steams hands off policy with this feature it allows for very frivolous game bans to go unchecked. it would be nice if we had a tool to report this kind of misuse for review that way perhaps steam could tell its happening but currently it feels like they can just do what they want and they feel very confident steam will never check

your understanding is wrong. it doesn't matter if you 'agree' or not.

game ban is used to deal with repeated violators of different situations. from anything like credit card fraud to game griefing, it can be used to prevent a troublesome player from playing.

each developer can set out the circumstance of their own rules surrounding a game ban. Steam's help file only gives you 'general' information- they will leave it to every developer to make their own game rules, and own reasons for a game ban.

Steam will only intervene in game bans if the developer is abusing the game ban system. Banning a problematic player for bad behavior is not abuse of the game ban system.

You can still play singleplayer. The phasmophobia multiplayer is simply closed to you from here on out.

Phasmophobia also features its own built in anti cheat that will automatically game ban a cheater. So its possible you're completely lying about everything you've said, as well.

regardless, the act of you coming here to argue will change nothing. the devs that banned you do not come here. no super user or steam administration reads this either. your thread is completely off topic, as it is not a 'ban discussion' forum.

[Zeuslander™]

Originally posted by Hammer Of Evil:

Originally posted by Mashed Potato Johnson:

the use of the game ban function explicitly states that its meant to be used for cheating however some devs (in my case phasmaphobia) are handing out game bans over offensive language in voice and text chat and because of steams hands off policy with this feature it allows for very frivolous game bans to go unchecked. it would be nice if we had a tool to report this kind of misuse for review that way perhaps steam could tell its happening but currently it feels like they can just do what they want and they feel very confident steam will never check

your understanding is wrong. it doesn't matter if you 'agree' or not.

game ban is used to deal with repeated violators of different situations. from anything like credit card fraud to game griefing, it can be used to prevent a troublesome player from playing.

each developer can set out the circumstance of their own rules surrounding a game ban. Steam's help file only gives you 'general' information- they will leave it to every developer to make their own game rules, and own reasons for a game ban.

Steam will only intervene in game bans if the developer is abusing the game ban system. Banning a problematic player for bad behavior is not abuse of the game ban system.

You can still play singleplayer. The phasmophobia multiplayer is simply closed to you from here on out.

Phasmophobia also features its own built in anti cheat that will automatically game ban a cheater. So its possible you're completely lying about everything you've said, as well.

regardless, the act of you coming here to argue will change nothing. the devs that banned you do not come here. no super user or steam administration reads this either. your thread is completely off topic, as it is not a 'ban discussion' forum.

the arguement could be made for repeat offenders and i would agree however it shouldnt take running into a dev in-game and aoffending them to see you have multiple reports for something "their system" should be picking up on that right? the problem lies within the fact that there doesnt have to me multiple offences or a problem player, it could be your first and last time.
abuse of the game ban system is absolutely banning someone over communications is not merits for a vac ban and steam literally tells you game bans are to be applied using the same procedures as vac and perma bans should only be given to cheaters.

[ValvAllowsCheats]

Big brother sees all and does no wrong. please act accordingly to the step of the new world order.

[Silicon Vampire]

Be thankful the devs don't revoke your game license, as they are within their rights to do so...

[Zeuslander™]

Originally posted by Silicon Vampire:

Be thankful the devs don't revoke your game license, as they are within their rights to do so...

they arent, people seem to misunderstand how that works, a dev cant remove a game form you library or make it inaccessible unless under extremely rare circumstances, not a punishment for offensive chats.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Originally posted by Mashed Potato Johnson:

Originally posted by I know i'm ♥♥♥♥ but..:

"the use of the game ban function explicitly states that its meant to be used for cheating however some devs"
game ban isn't just for cheating.

Game bans are only designed to manage cheating. They should only be applied to players who gained an unfair competitive advantage when playing multiplayer versions of content and services. https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/anticheat they state it multiple times in multiple posts

Incorrct. Abusive voice chat is considered disruptive and also can be considered griefing.

Why are game bans issued?
Game bans in CS:GO are issued when a player attempts to circumvent or interfere with game systems to the detriment of others.

Examples include:
Cheating.
Manipulation of matchmaking rank by deranking or falsely increasing your Skill Group.
Botting and/or automation.
Intentionally interfering with the normal operation of game servers or other players.
Game Bans for all of the above are not removed by Steam Support.

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/4E54-0B96-D0A4-1557

That's griefing. CS:GO bans for it, as does DoTA 2.

It's negative behavior.