Instead of a ban can't VAC just kick you out of server or game if it detects software or cheat engine running?

[niralamart000]

Or the very least just switch over to insecure server, i feel like this whole thing is handled extremely poorly and so many people unjustifiably get punished for either a simple mistake or using a tool like red dot on screen or equipment management . Heck a student was running a software in back ground for his school project , not even hooked in to the game and during LAN party the entire group got a VAC ban over it, no malicious intent whatsoever but valve apparently thinks their current system is this objective piece of cheat detection tech that can never be wrong.

Simply include an automatic off button and kick them out if there is a problem, this is coming from a paying customer who now has to disable VAC in any game that has it cause of how unreliable and unsafe it is. I only play with friends cause thin skinned reporting noobs piss us off incase anyone is wondering.

[Unn4m3d (♥AUT♥)]

Once the Ban is applied you are no longer able to play on VAC Secure Servers.

If you are talking about VAC kicking you out the instant it detects a cheat - no. The whole point is to NOT let the user know which Cheat was detected and at which exact time.

All you would do is give Cheat Developers a super easy testing tool.

[Wolf Knight]

you dont get to decide how you get to play the game. the developer set up the rules to make the game fair to everyone and keep the playing field level.

vac does not care about intent, vac only cares about "KNOWN CHEAT DETECTED". if everyone in a group got banned by vac, then every account was doing one of the following:

1. sharing the same phone number
2. using a computer that had a known cheat detected on it

anything that tampers with protected game files is a cheat regardless of it giving an advantage or not (skin changers are cheats, you dont get to decide what is and what is not a cheat)

since you dont have a vac ban or game ban showing, you have another problem with your complaint. we have seen plenty of people whine about being vac banned, and when people look closer we see the following:

1. game ban - not a vac ban and issued for completely different reasons
2. cooldown - not a vac ban
3. vac error message - not a vac ban, caused by something preventing vac from doing its job. the user has to fix what ever the issue is since it will most likely be on their end.
4. compromised account - not a vac ban, someone else is trying to scam the account owner and has been given access by the account owner somehow.

valve already tried temp bans and being nice with the cheaters. it did nothing, the cheaters went right back to cheating on the account as soon as the ban expired.

if a game uses vac, then all sessions are vac secured by default. this includes 1v1, private, vs bots, vs plants, vs dogs, "offline", HvH, etc. if the server is set up wrong, you can expect vac bans to be issued if vac detects cheats.

[Snaggle]

You've done a great job showing us how little you know about the VAC system and how unjustified your fears are.

[ReBoot]

VAC used to work this way. Guess what, a slap on the wrist wasn't enough to deter cheaters

[niralamart000]

Messaggio originale di Snaggle:

You've done a great job showing us how little you know about the VAC system and how unjustified your fears are.

well no there are hundred of posts now on how VAC just decides to ban you cause you left a software open in the background, it shouldn't do that but it has. What more do you want except not face reality for some reason?

[niralamart000]

Messaggio originale di ReBoot:

VAC used to work this way. Guess what, a slap on the wrist wasn't enough to deter cheaters

so punish normal people instead? yeah what a screw ALL way to go about things, same way how valve just said to publisher to raise prices by 200% instead of actively combating region hopping purchases.

[niralamart000]

Messaggio originale di Unn4m3d (♥AUT♥):

Once the Ban is applied you are no longer able to play on VAC Secure Servers.

If you are talking about VAC kicking you out the instant it detects a cheat - no. The whole point is to NOT let the user know which Cheat was detected and at which exact time.

All you would do is give Cheat Developers a super easy testing tool.

i'm pretty sure i''m talking about a hands on approach where VAC will test for anything running in background first and not allow you start the game, also shut the game if you turn something on that it doesn't like. Not relating to cheating but any harmless software which there are many examples of

[niralamart000]

Messaggio originale di Wolf Knight:

you dont get to decide how you get to play the game. the developer set up the rules to make the game fair to everyone and keep the playing field level.

vac does not care about intent, vac only cares about "KNOWN CHEAT DETECTED". if everyone in a group got banned by vac, then every account was doing one of the following:

1. sharing the same phone number
2. using a computer that had a known cheat detected on it

anything that tampers with protected game files is a cheat regardless of it giving an advantage or not (skin changers are cheats, you dont get to decide what is and what is not a cheat)

since you dont have a vac ban or game ban showing, you have another problem with your complaint. we have seen plenty of people whine about being vac banned, and when people look closer we see the following:

1. game ban - not a vac ban and issued for completely different reasons
2. cooldown - not a vac ban
3. vac error message - not a vac ban, caused by something preventing vac from doing its job. the user has to fix what ever the issue is since it will most likely be on their end.
4. compromised account - not a vac ban, someone else is trying to scam the account owner and has been given access by the account owner somehow.

valve already tried temp bans and being nice with the cheaters. it did nothing, the cheaters went right back to cheating on the account as soon as the ban expired.

if a game uses vac, then all sessions are vac secured by default. this includes 1v1, private, vs bots, vs plants, vs dogs, "offline", HvH, etc. if the server is set up wrong, you can expect vac bans to be issued if vac detects cheats.

you do realize even attempting at trying to disable TAA in a multiplayer game using your own code can get you banned, it's also not my job on how valve handles cheaters, only that it shouldn't cause so many gamers such inconvenience. If you wanna defend VAC this much despite it's fault then advocate for better appeal systems or a full on security check overhaul where VAC gets access to your whole computer and anything you turn on or have available is identified as a major risk for a ban , to the point where it doesn't even allow you to open certain tools or again potentially risky software. Anything better then an unjustified no communication ban that just hurts user enjoyment and causes stress.

[Snaggle]

Messaggio originale di niralamart000:

well no there are hundred of posts now on how VAC just decides to ban you cause you left a software open in the background, it shouldn't do that but it has.

It doesn't do this. There might be hundreds of posts about it, but they aren't true. If you leave a cheat open, you get banned. If you leave something else open, you play as normal. VAC is an anti-cheat, no an anti-background tool.

Messaggio originale di niralamart000:

i'm pretty sure talking about a hands on approach where VAC will test for anything running in background first and not allow you start game, also shut down game if you turn something on that it doesn't like. Not relating to cheating but any harmless software which there are many examples of

All this does is warn cheat developers that their cheat is detected and allows them to keep working on it until VAC no longer closes their game and becomes undetected. So really, that doesn't solve anything.

And VAC does kick you from a game if it detects things it "doesn't like". Cheat Engine is a prime example of this. If you leave it open, VAC kicks you but doesn't ban you. It only bans if you use it to cheat.

Messaggio originale di niralamart000:

you do realize even attempting at trying to disable TAA in a multiplayer game using your own code can get you banned

It's down to the developers of games to implement VAC and tell VAC what to ban for. If you don't like how a game is made and want to make changes for it, then complain to the developers for not implementing the right settings.

[HikariLight]

We see so many users come in here claiming that their ban is false.
The occasional one, does turn out to be a false ban.
But the majority are valid bans.
Cheaters will lie through their teeth to try and get their account unbanned.

All cheaters are truly worried about is the items in their account that became permanently locked to the banned account.
They can no longer trade or sell those items.
Most cheaters are cheating to get those items to try and sell them on scam sites to try and cash out.

[niralamart000]

Messaggio originale di Wolf Knight:

you dont get to decide how you get to play the game. the developer set up the rules to make the game fair to everyone and keep the playing field level.

what? this is such a weird thing to type , what are you even on about there, is this some dystopian pro capitalism propaganda. Devs set up how the game functions mechanically both online play and in-game functionality, everything else has to work fairly and be of respectful quality like cross play, settings, net code and anti cheat systems, which also means moderation.

[niralamart000]

Messaggio originale di HikariLight:

We see so many users come in here claiming that their ban is false.
The occasional one, does turn out to be a false ban.
But the majority are valid bans.
Cheaters will lie through their teeth to try and get their account unbanned.

All cheaters are truly worried about is the items in their account that became permanently locked to the banned account.
They can no longer trade or sell those items.
Most cheaters are cheating to get those items to try and sell them on scam sites to try and cash out.

that's cheaters and valve's battle, VAC being so sensitive to any program which it deems to be a risk isn't really uncommon. In it's present state it's highly inconvenient and honestly there are more chances of it just screwing you over if you are new to gaming and don't know any better. Lack of any moderation doesn't really help, honestly i'm glad when publishers use their own anti cheat system so we can at least contact them if something happens rather then a company that just ghosts you cause it think it's has the best of everything in the world so doesn't have to listen to reason.

[Snaggle]

Messaggio originale di niralamart000:

VAC being so sensitive to any program which it deems to be a risk

It isn't, you can stop making things up.

Messaggio originale di niralamart000:

In it's present state it's highly inconvenient and honestly there are more chances of it just screwing you over if you are new to gaming

There really isn't. It's very difficult to get a VAC ban if you aren't using cheats.

You're just scaring yourself. I suggest you take the time you spend posting nonsense here to actually read up about the thing you're scared about.

Amazing how I and many millions of users aren't VAC banned in all the years we've been playing VAC secured games. Want to know the secret? We don't cheat. It's that simple.

Also, good job ignoring my post to continue posting nonsense. Really top job.

[SpeedFreak1972]

Also in case of cheat engine it only detects it when it's running and hooked up in the game so tell me why it's hooked up in the game in the first place? You don't need it if you play fair ...

[PistoIeiro]

Cheats in a VAC server and gets banned *pikachu surprised face*

"so many people unjustifiably get punished" Oh yeah, it is so unjustifiable being punished for cheating...

Imagine how good the game would be if Valve allowed everyone to cheat, because you know, those cheaters are all innocent people.