Why is it a normal thing to bully and harass "innocent"?

[Sub-Zero]

TL;DR is at the bottom of the thread.

If y'all want to sniff my post history again try to blame me and just condemn my past actions as "innocent who wanted to appeal because of (false) VAC ban", just find other victim and do that who is also notorious same as me.

Anyway, I sometimes check this discussions and always assumed it was meant to discuss about VAC system or about some progress. And in reality it's just a ocean of "innocents" being mad and trying to appeal that they're not cheaters.

I'm not talking about the ones who showing meaning of the word permanant, which I can understand their frustration and just trying to simply give understanding those cheaters and quit to whine.

Why is it allowed to do that? Why does Valve allow to do it? I thought you're not meant to be toxic and you would have to report the poster or the one who caused chaos.

Why not just simply try to give him straight forward that they have to abandon their account like a coward and start all over again if they got VAC banned, to start from 0. Or just keep the hat of the shame eternity until about 7 years auto hides to private so the owner will only see himself and nobody else.

TL:DR, why is it a considered acceptable to bully and harass cheater, rather just respectfully give them choice to deal with ban as hat of enternal shame or create a new account to start all over again.

[Cathulhu]

Personal attacks are not allowed. If you feel someone is behaving wrong, report their posts.

[Torque]

Its the internet

[Sub-Zero]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Torque:

Its the internet

I thought it's Twitter, not internet.

[Hammer Of Evil]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Sub-Zero:

TL:DR, why is it a considered acceptable to bully and harass cheater, rather just respectfully give them choice to deal with ban as hat of enternal shame or create a new account to start all over again.

first and foremost, vac banned cheater is not supposed to post here about being banned! ever! lol. This forum is meant to discuss VAC as an anti cheat solution and its effectiveness. there are 1 out of maybe 100? maybe 1000 threads that actually are on topic and extolling virtues of vac effectiveness vs other anti cheat solutions.

really, the admin/mod should just close cheater begging thread and just say 'sorry you are in wrong forum, you may not discuss such here.' and then ban if they make another post.

but, they get tired of doing this process, so I think they are more lenient towards innocent players as well, as regular players are rightfully angry at bad cheaters, and are joyful when a cheater is banned forever, losing entire inventory, and crying about it.

(i secretly believe VAC devs print and add such threads to their wall in coffee break room to laugh at cheaters expressing remorse...i would. war trophys lol)

The main reason i come here is to help stop the false rumors about 'vac effectiveness'. very important to stop new players from thinking 'oh i can cheat any time i want.'

CSGO is a difficult game, because it has the 'realistic death' and you die quickly when shot, so new players often dont have proper reaction speed or tactics and search for an easy way to get good. If a cheater tricks them into thinking cheating is undetected, a new player is wasted and instead becomes a cheat addict.

In most experience, players here just respond with normal 'view faq' response. its generally the emotional cheater crying they are losing their inventory that starts the argument or the fight.

I really have a difficult time viewing normal forum poster, who has no vac ban, less favourably, than a confirmed cheater, banned by VAC, who actively seeks to ruin your game experience in new ways, every day.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

VAC bans are permanent and have been since 2005. If you do not want a scarlet letter that everyone can see, don't cheat.

VAC bans carry a stigma and rightly so.

[Lily McFluffy Butt]

You're mistaking bluntness for bullying. People HAVE to be blunt here or cheaters will find any way to misinterpret what's being said to fit their delusions. Most people here are giving it to them straight, that their ban is permanent and they cannot get it removed.

Sure, there are people who say "lol owned cheater xd" but those are few and far between

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Your account isn't innocent either, it's been banned since 2012.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Sub-Zero:

TL;DR is at the bottom of the thread.
If y'all want to sniff my post history again try to blame me and just condemn my past actions as "innocent who wanted to appeal because of (false) VAC ban", just find other victim and do that who is also notorious same as me.

Your VAC ban is not incorrect or false or it would've been automatically removed YEARS ago.

See? This is why people have to be blunt. Your ban is a decade old and you still think it's false?

[Qbert ⭐]

So all of that cr-p was because OP still, somehow, believe he is innocent?

Zero my dude, you just set a new low on this forum

[blunus]

I guess you really don't wanna know your past self makes? Innocent?

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/9/3183487594838103910/

The way cheaters look "innocent" are just liars trying to explain their bans because VAC is an automated system and systems don't care about human feelings.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/42710/discussions/0/35222218751590870/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/42710/discussions/0/35222218764206029/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/9/458606877330355221/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/9/350542683199055472/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/730/discussions/0/392185054116665853/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/9/2974028351332365818/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/730/discussions/0/412447524178564568/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/9/3183487594838103910/

That's nine threads, including this one. How many more do you think you can make before you get your account in serious trouble?

[Hammer Of Evil]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Lilith McWitchy Butt:

You're mistaking bluntness for bullying. People HAVE to be blunt here or cheaters will find any way to misinterpret what's being said to fit their delusions. Most people here are giving it to them straight, that their ban is permanent and they cannot get it removed.

Sure, there are people who say "lol owned cheater xd" but those are few and far between

i mean, it is pretty fun to say this lol.

Oprindeligt skrevet af blunus:

I guess you really don't wanna know your past self makes? Innocent?

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/9/3183487594838103910/

The way cheaters look "innocent" are just liars trying to explain their bans because VAC is an automated system and systems don't care about human feelings.

Oprindeligt skrevet af C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/42710/discussions/0/35222218751590870/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/42710/discussions/0/35222218764206029/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/9/458606877330355221/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/9/350542683199055472/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/730/discussions/0/392185054116665853/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/9/2974028351332365818/
https://steamcommunity.com/app/730/discussions/0/412447524178564568/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/9/3183487594838103910/

That's nine threads, including this one. How many more do you think you can make before you get your account in serious trouble?

LOL i was tricked again!

Oprindeligt skrevet af Sub-Zero:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Torque:

Its the internet

I thought it's Twitter, not internet.

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and you start fights.

and thats why people are rude to you.

would you like to follow me for more social tips? I can also teach you how to not cheat, too!

[DEREK]

Way to take the bait. Good thing you guys are not fish.

[Sub-Zero]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Lilith McWitchy Butt:

You're mistaking bluntness for bullying. People HAVE to be blunt here or cheaters will find any way to misinterpret what's being said to fit their delusions. Most people here are giving it to them straight, that their ban is permanent and they cannot get it removed.

Sure, there are people who say "lol owned cheater xd" but those are few and far between

But the "lol owned cheater xd" is still a thing even I can periodically sometimes check on this discussions, instead of just giving their straightforward that permanent is permanent on those threads.

So that means it's more of a bluntness, rather bullying? I could've sworn that bullying was the literal meaning for this discussion. But thanks for heads up about it's more of a bluntness, rather buylling.

[Qbert ⭐]

It's just you who cannot handle the truth.