Why is it a normal thing to bully and harass "innocent"?

[Sub-Zero]

TL;DR is at the bottom of the thread.

If y'all want to sniff my post history again try to blame me and just condemn my past actions as "innocent who wanted to appeal because of (false) VAC ban", just find other victim and do that who is also notorious same as me.

Anyway, I sometimes check this discussions and always assumed it was meant to discuss about VAC system or about some progress. And in reality it's just a ocean of "innocents" being mad and trying to appeal that they're not cheaters.

I'm not talking about the ones who showing meaning of the word permanant, which I can understand their frustration and just trying to simply give understanding those cheaters and quit to whine.

Why is it allowed to do that? Why does Valve allow to do it? I thought you're not meant to be toxic and you would have to report the poster or the one who caused chaos.

Why not just simply try to give him straight forward that they have to abandon their account like a coward and start all over again if they got VAC banned, to start from 0. Or just keep the hat of the shame eternity until about 7 years auto hides to private so the owner will only see himself and nobody else.

TL:DR, why is it a considered acceptable to bully and harass cheater, rather just respectfully give them choice to deal with ban as hat of enternal shame or create a new account to start all over again.

[Sub-Zero]

引用自 Wock73：

引用自 Sub-Zero：

I thought it's Twitter, not internet.

To answer your topic, I would agree 100% if those who are “innocent” actually accepted their fate. It is the ones who start to argue or refuse to listen that (my subjective opinion) deserve to be treated more forcefully. I had one yesterday that had two topics and approximately a dozen “ban is unfair” posts and it was at that point that I went all in. As a fellow regular said to someone who came to the complainer’s defense, if the OP refused to accept facts we might as well try a different approach. I really don’t like going there but at times it seems to be the only way and in this particular case, as of now it seemed to get the job done.

I hope it explains at the very least where I stand. I am only speaking for myself and if someone feels I crossed the line in the sand then they should report me. Only once I have challenged the report and the mod agreed with me, all the others I took it on the chin, took a break and came back later after a month or more.

Gotcha. But a curious hypothetical question. If you were in those "innocents" and you got the VAC banned say, TF2. What would you do? Accept the hat of shame eternally or say farewell to your account and starting all over again?

[Lily McFluffy Butt]

引用自 Sub-Zero：

引用自 Wock73：

To answer your topic, I would agree 100% if those who are “innocent” actually accepted their fate. It is the ones who start to argue or refuse to listen that (my subjective opinion) deserve to be treated more forcefully. I had one yesterday that had two topics and approximately a dozen “ban is unfair” posts and it was at that point that I went all in. As a fellow regular said to someone who came to the complainer’s defense, if the OP refused to accept facts we might as well try a different approach. I really don’t like going there but at times it seems to be the only way and in this particular case, as of now it seemed to get the job done.

I hope it explains at the very least where I stand. I am only speaking for myself and if someone feels I crossed the line in the sand then they should report me. Only once I have challenged the report and the mod agreed with me, all the others I took it on the chin, took a break and came back later after a month or more.

Gotcha. But a curious hypothetical question. If you were in those "innocents" and you got the VAC banned say, TF2. What would you do? Accept the hat of shame eternally or say farewell to your account and starting all over again?

If I got VAC banned, it would mean I cheated. I wouldn't live in denial.

[Sub-Zero]

I like how even people just come in already bully me, yet I'm already at stage 5 of grief accepting that I can't revert it with my VAC while I asked a genuine question.

Yes, yes, yes generic way to pressure me and saying that I'm not innocent at all.

Like I asked a genunie question, yet y'all somehow assumed without thinking that I did a "bait" with just a question.

This isn't your average person trying to prove that he/she is innocent thread. I just wanted to ask a question to just stop with those flood of threads of people trying to defend themselves.

[Sub-Zero]

引用自 Lilith McWitchy Butt：

引用自 Sub-Zero：

Gotcha. But a curious hypothetical question. If you were in those "innocents" and you got the VAC banned say, TF2. What would you do? Accept the hat of shame eternally or say farewell to your account and starting all over again?

If I got VAC banned, it would mean I cheated. I wouldn't live in denial.

So that means you would have to accept the hat of shame?

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

引用自 DEREK：

Way to take the bait. Good thing you guys are not fish. :txpgolem:

You act like we didn't know this.

This is nothing new, people with banned accounts do this all the time here.

Just another "innocent" cheater not accepting his ban.

[Sub-Zero]

引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|：

引用自 DEREK：

Way to take the bait. Good thing you guys are not fish. :txpgolem:

You act like we didn't know this.

This is nothing new, people with banned accounts do this all the time here.

Just another "innocent" cheater not accepting his ban.

I already did accepted. And yet you somehow blindly assume I created a "bait thread" when I asked a genuine question.

Have you double checked my thread or you already jumped in conclusion? Also, if you fell for the bait, then why the ♥♥♥♥ you give a ♥♥♥♥? Aren't you like suppose to report me or either ignore?

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Ummmm....here's the flaw in your logic. HOW are others harassing you about your bans when only YOU can see then?

The only way others can see them is by using certain websites.

Decade old bans and still have no idea how they work.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

https://imgur.com/a/bv7SHuZ

[Sub-Zero]

引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|：

Ummmm....here's the flaw in your logic. HOW are others harassing you about your bans when only YOU can see then?

The only way others can see them is by using certain websites.

Derailing is not gonna help you. Answer my question first and I'll answer yours.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

引用自 Sub-Zero：

引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|：

Ummmm....here's the flaw in your logic. HOW are others harassing you about your bans when only YOU can see then?

The only way others can see them is by using certain websites.

Derailing is not gonna help you. Answer my question first and I'll answer yours.

I just did......lol.

How are others harassing you about your bans when they can't see them at all on your profile?

https://imgur.com/a/bv7SHuZ

Invisible

https://imgur.com/a/O0Weadx

Shows as banned.

Do you understand how your argument is flawed yet?


You will always see the bans, because you are the account owner....no one else can see them.

[Sub-Zero]

引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|：

https://imgur.com/a/bv7SHuZ

Yes, it doesn't show up on public, because it auto hide my vac ban after like 7 years, while I still have it and only owner can see it, while rest can't see. Unless you want to specifically use sites like vacbanned.com to check user like me to see I speak ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that my ban got removed (yet I never said it got removed before, just a heads up) and it still stuck in my profile.

So? Guyver, are you gonna answer or ramble stuff unrelated to my thread or derail to nothingness?

[Sub-Zero]

引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|：

引用自 Sub-Zero：

Derailing is not gonna help you. Answer my question first and I'll answer yours.

I just did......lol.

How are others harassing you about your bans when they can't see them at all on your profile?

https://imgur.com/a/bv7SHuZ

Invisible

https://imgur.com/a/O0Weadx

Shows as banned.

Do you understand how your argument is flawed yet?


You will always see the bans, because you are the account owner....no one else can see them.

That's not what I expected.

Let me put in order to ask before I'll continue to answer yours.

1. Why did you jumped to others side to see it my bait thread, while I asked a genuine question about why people blunting in VAC discussion?

2. If you fell for a bait, aren't you suppose to report me or ignore me?

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

LOL....No, It does not show because of this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valve_Anti-Cheat#:~:text=The%20user%27s%20Steam%20profile%20is,not%20getting%20another%20VAC%20ban.

The user's Steam profile is also marked with "ban(s) on record", which is publicly visible and cannot be hidden, regardless of the profile visibility of the banned account. VAC bans become hidden to other users after seven years of not getting another VAC ban.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/5ub0jo/vac_bans_older_than_2600_days_stopped_showing_up/

How do you not know this by now? Your bans are hidden because both bans are over 7 years old.

[Sub-Zero]

引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|：

LOL....No, It does not show because of this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valve_Anti-Cheat#:~:text=The%20user%27s%20Steam%20profile%20is,not%20getting%20another%20VAC%20ban.

The user's Steam profile is also marked with "ban(s) on record", which is publicly visible and cannot be hidden, regardless of the profile visibility of the banned account. VAC bans become hidden to other users after seven years of not getting another VAC ban.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/5ub0jo/vac_bans_older_than_2600_days_stopped_showing_up/

How do you not know this by now. Your bans are hidden because both bans are over 7 years old.

Boy you are being way ahead. This isn't your first time playing Ace Attorney and just randomly object to show evidence and restart where you need to choose evidence to defend, like Edgeworth innocence during DL-6 turnabout.

I was correct that my ban auto hide itself after 7 years. AND only owner can still see it and it's automanically doesn't mean it removed by itself and other users cannot see it. But only in specific site will still show like I said before vacbanned.com if you search specific user. It will show that user is VAC banned if it's true.

Do I need to parrot again?

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

引用自 Sub-Zero：

引用自 C²C^Guyver |NZB|：

https://imgur.com/a/bv7SHuZ

Yes, it doesn't show up on public, because it auto hide my vac ban after like 7 years, while I still have it and only owner can see it, while rest can't see. Unless you want to specifically use sites like vacbanned.com to check user like me to see I speak ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that my ban got removed (yet I never said it got removed before, just a heads up) and it still stuck in my profile.

So? Guyver, are you gonna answer or ramble stuff unrelated to my thread or derail to nothingness?

Look. If people make fun of your account, whose fault is that? Yours.

Your question is: Why do people make fun of me for my VAC bans? What are they making fun of if they can't see it?

If they use a site to see them, that's on you. You were not too worried about getting made fun of when you were cheating, right? I mean you even have multiple VAC bans. Which means you clearly didn't learn your lesson with the first VAC ban.

Your lack of forward thinking as to how others would react to your bans, years later, is your fault.

People generally don't like cheaters. Even Valve doesn't or VAC wouldn't exist.

Don't cheat if cannot handle the consequences.