Can pressing a button on a gaming mouse to use "3-round burst" be an offence to VAC?

[crazyman745]

So I just got shipped my new pc, and it came with a "New! CyberpowerPC Standard 4000 DPI with Weight System Optical Gaming Mouse" and if any of you have ever used it, you may be familiar with the button on the left side of the mouse that seems to give you a "3 round burst" in-game.

I only noticed this, when in a private game with my friends, I started testing out all the extra buttons on the mouse, and came to realise that this might actually be able to get my account VAC banned.

How does it work? Well if using any weapon besides a sniper or shotgun, (anything that is not semi automatic) I simply press a button on the mouse and it will shoot 2-3 bullets, (depending on the weapon) every time, the same. For example, using an AK47, it will shoot 2 shots, then stop. Using an M4A1-S it will take 3 shots, then stop. Always doing the same pattern, based on the weapon.

I do not know if this can get me VAC banned, I have not used this to my advantage in any competative game yet. But if it is VAC-Bannable i will find a way to disable it.

Does anybody know an official source telling me this cannot get me VAC banned? Has anybody experienced this before? Please respond if so, and it would be helpful if a valve-official could also give me an answer.

thx. <3

Note: I have not done anything with the mouse, just simply plugged it in and found out about this button, not changes to console or game files.

EDIT: After a bit of research, I have come to the conclusion of this button being a "double click" feature mainly used for browsers and anything that requires a double tap. Its main function is simply a luxury but would it still be an offence for VAC?

[l1x]

I think you can't get VAC-Banned for that. :)

VAC - Valve Anti Cheat :P

[crazyman745]

Originally posted by tom1sha:

I think you can't get VAC-Banned for that. :)

VAC - Valve Anti Cheat :P

Yeah but I've heard stories and read posts about people getting banned from things like this, my intentions are to not get banned or ruin others fun... But I also do not want to risk getting banned.

[oguzton]

Originally posted by nc:

Originally posted by tom1sha:

I think you can't get VAC-Banned for that. :)

VAC - Valve Anti Cheat :P

Yeah but I've heard stories and read posts about people getting banned from things like this, my intentions are to not get banned or ruin others fun... But I also do not want to risk getting banned.

Those guys are trying to cover up their cheats. If it is the software of the mouse you are safe. However I don't know if that will work for Cs go. I have a Logitech mouse but I don't know how to make such macro.

[❤ Naraldor ❤]

lol no its impossible for you to get banned, mouse software fakes mouse input, its exactly the same as you clicking 3 times, it doesn't touch csgo in any way

[Pheace]

Originally posted by Naraldor:

lol no its impossible for you to get banned, mouse software fakes mouse input, its exactly the same as you clicking 3 times, it doesn't touch csgo in any way

There are mice out there with software designed to cheat, cancelling out entire spray patterns to have 100% aim even when on full auto.

I'd imagine if they overwatch that you're still getting banned.

[crazyman745]

Originally posted by Pheace:

Originally posted by Naraldor:

lol no its impossible for you to get banned, mouse software fakes mouse input, its exactly the same as you clicking 3 times, it doesn't touch csgo in any way

There are mice out there with software designed to cheat, cancelling out entire spray patterns to have 100% aim even when on full auto.

I'd imagine if they overwatch that you're still getting banned.

"I'd imagine if they overwatch that you're still getting banned." Is that permanent VAC? or just 30 day overwatch? Also, I did not make this macro. From what I have noticed is that it is mainly a button to "double-click" for you while browsing the web. And yes, i understand that if i was to be put on to overwatch that it may come with consequence... Which is why if this is not a VAC offence, i will use it only in moderation, to mess around and to try new things out. The soul purpose of this post is me making sure that I am not breaking any rules, I do not attempt on making loop-holes and such, i just do not want to get in trouble with Valve. :) It would also be great if a Moderator or any member of Staff were to give input on this before I even think on using it :P

[❤ Naraldor ❤]

Originally posted by Pheace:

Originally posted by Naraldor:

lol no its impossible for you to get banned, mouse software fakes mouse input, its exactly the same as you clicking 3 times, it doesn't touch csgo in any way

There are mice out there with software designed to cheat, cancelling out entire spray patterns to have 100% aim even when on full auto.

I'd imagine if they overwatch that you're still getting banned.

You can do that with any mouse, auto hotkey scripts, and about overwatch its impossible to tell from a legit spray and a script spray, don't make it obvious by only spraying for a few seconds, spray at close medium range and tap at long range

[crazyman745]

Originally posted by Naraldor:

Originally posted by Pheace:

There are mice out there with software designed to cheat, cancelling out entire spray patterns to have 100% aim even when on full auto.

I'd imagine if they overwatch that you're still getting banned.

You can do that with any mouse, auto hotkey scripts, and about overwatch its impossible to tell from a legit spray and a script spray, don't make it obvious by only spraying for a few seconds, spray at close medium range and tap at long range

Do you know of any 100% legit cases where somebody was banned for a macro on their mouse? And how would overwatch tell macro from reality? Would that not result in false-positives? And how would you prove innocence if that was to happen? Once again, asking for more input and thanks for the amount given, but it would be great for a staff member to reply as well. <3

[❤ Naraldor ❤]

>And how would overwatch tell macro from reality?

People watching the game don't, you can easily shoot the max pistol fire rate(tec9 is harder but a lot of people can still do it) without scripts, its impossible for a human to tell the difference between script and the legit

[crazyman745]

1. I'm not using this to my advantage... Any player can simply double tap or triple tap their mouse 2. Overwatch does not have 100% way of truly telling of script or not. I'm not trying to say this is not VAC bannable, but I am asking if it is. I always see staff members responding to other posts, but not one has responded to this one. lol

[Waddlebeard]

You wont get banned fro it.

Do you get banned for clicking LMB twice? Not normally.

[❤ Naraldor ❤]

It is NOT VAC banable, in order for something to be VAC banable it needs to edit/read the games memory, mouse software/ahk does not touch to game in any way, theres just community moderators here not actual valve employees

[Commander Makara]

Originally posted by nc:

And how would overwatch tell macro from reality? Would that not result in false-positives?

There's no way to distinguish aside from what is reasonably realistically possible.

Consider a player using a very specialised cheat which is (for reasons of this topic) utterly undetectable by VAC - the cheat allows for perfect aim.
Now a player who is using the cheat knows they are only at risk of ban through players noticing the cheat, reporting them, and subsequently OW investigators also agreeing unanimously despite weighted modifications to their individual decree, beyond all reasonable doubt that there is cheating.
Tehrefore, the cheat is extremely conservative in their use of the cheat.
They only apply it once every few rounds if at all, and only then when their chance of aiming directly are high any way. The player hopes that this occasional and 'plausible' usage is enough to be ignored by players (and OW in case they DO get reported anyway) as appearing to be just a fairly good shot, experienced player, or occasionally lucky.

If SUCCESSFUL, then it is important to note, that whilst they are technically getting away with cheating, they are NOT unbalancing the game any further than, say, a more experienced Smurf account, or a person with extremely good coordination/reactions, recent, quality gaming hardware and/or just more experience overall.
The impact of their cheating is actually negligible in overall terms.

In this way, the threat fo the ban is enough to reign in their antics to a level consistent with "normal play"*, although they ahave cheats and are using them, the net effect is that they are not cheating AS MUCH, AS BLATANTLY nmor as DISRUPTIVELY as they might otherwise.

When this is considered, the OW is successful, despite no actual cheatsd being detected nor bans applied.

*Maybe not normal for them, but normal for an agreed average of players.

[crazyman745]

Originally posted by Commander Makara:

Originally posted by nc:

And how would overwatch tell macro from reality? Would that not result in false-positives?

There's no way to distinguish aside from what is reasonably realistically possible.

Consider a player using a very specialised cheat which is (for reasons of this topic) utterly undetectable by VAC - the cheat allows for perfect aim.
Now a player who is using the cheat knows they are only at risk of ban through players noticing the cheat, reporting them, and subsequently OW investigators also agreeing unanimously despite weighted modifications to their individual decree, beyond all reasonable doubt that there is cheating.
Tehrefore, the cheat is extremely conservative in their use of the cheat.
They only apply it once every few rounds if at all, and only then when their chance of aiming directly are high any way. The player hopes that this occasional and 'plausible' usage is enough to be ignored by players (and OW in case they DO get reported anyway) as appearing to be just a fairly good shot, experienced player, or occasionally lucky.

If SUCCESSFUL, then it is important to note, that whilst they are technically getting away with cheating, they are NOT unbalancing the game any further than, say, a more experienced Smurf account, or a person with extremely good coordination/reactions, recent, quality gaming hardware and/or just more experience overall.
The impact of their cheating is actually negligible in overall terms.

In this way, the threat fo the ban is enough to reign in their antics to a level consistent with "normal play"*, although they ahave cheats and are using them, the net effect is that they are not cheating AS MUCH, AS BLATANTLY nmor as DISRUPTIVELY as they might otherwise.

When this is considered, the OW is successful, despite no actual cheatsd being detected nor bans applied.

*Maybe not normal for them, but normal for an agreed average of players.

Well said, thank you for your input.