Paying to remove a VAC ban so you do not have to buy a new account. (Second chance)

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Ballse Jul 5, 2014 @ 11:53am

Paying to remove a VAC ban so you do not have to buy a new account. (Second chance)

I understand cheaters are hated by all and they ruin games. Over 500 days ago i made the poor decision to hack on CS:GO and now i have to buy a whole new account if i have to play it (Which i will never do it is too inconvenient). Does anyone else agree that there should be a second chance system? For example, you get VAC banned, you now have to wait a year / half a year in order to be able to either re- buy the game you are banned from or pay a separate fee to remove a VAC ban. Once you wait the time and pay the fee/re-buy the game then it still shows you have been banned on your account so source mods can still see you have been VAC banned, but you can play on VAC servers. If you get VAC banned again after paying to remove the vac ban then you can never pay to remove it again for the rest of eternity.

I feel like this would not only be a good way to generate income for valve but also be a way to give people a second chance without having to moderate it as VAC will just ban any cheaters automatically if they go back to their old ways.

Yes i understand implementing a system like this to a program as vast as steam would most likely take a lot of work and maybe even some downtime but i would love to see this.

I would love to hear others opinions on this topic.

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Τhe Rolling Cheese Wheel Jul 5, 2014 @ 12:07pm

Nope because this system benefits nobody but the accounts that are used to hack.

woody Jul 5, 2014 @ 12:28pm

Originally posted by John Cash:
I understand cheaters are hated by all and they ruin games. Over 500 days ago i made the poor decision to hack on CS:GO and now i have to buy a whole new account if i have to play it (Which i will never do it is too inconvenient). Does anyone else agree that there should be a second chance system? For example, you get VAC banned, you now have to wait a year / half a year in order to be able to either re- buy the game you are banned from or pay a separate fee to remove a VAC ban. Once you wait the time and pay the fee/re-buy the game then it still shows you have been banned on your account so source mods can still see you have been VAC banned, but you can play on VAC servers. If you get VAC banned again after paying to remove the vac ban then you can never pay to remove it again for the rest of eternity.

I feel like this would not only be a good way to generate income for valve but also be a way to give people a second chance without having to moderate it as VAC will just ban any cheaters automatically if they go back to their old ways.

Yes i understand implementing a system like this to a program as vast as steam would most likely take a lot of work and maybe even some downtime but i would love to see this.

I would love to hear others opinions on this topic.

originally VAC bans lasted 5 years or 7 years, now they're permanent. the system you're proposing only benefits cheaters. Having to log in to another account is part of the punishment and isn't going away anytime soon.

also valve will make more money doing permanent bans, chances are you'll never log back in to your old account and rebuy all your games on a new account.

p.s. as the time since your last ban gets longer, less and less people will view you as a cheater anyways, instead just as a clean player who made a mistake many years ago.

 KARR™ Jul 5, 2014 @ 12:35pm

If they make it so that you can "buy" your way out of a ban, SourceMod servers will just add the option that bans anyone with ANY VAC ban to avoid the situation. (Or adding anyone with 'Paid to remove ban' on their profile)

Dagnabbit Jul 5, 2014 @ 1:09pm

Originally posted by Smile:
I understand cheaters are hated by all and they ruin games. Over 500 days ago i made the poor decision to hack on CS:GO and now i have to buy a whole new account if i have to play it (Which i will never do it is too inconvenient). Does anyone else agree that there should be a second chance system? For example, you get VAC banned, you now have to wait a year / half a year in order to be able to either re- buy the game you are banned from or pay a separate fee to remove a VAC ban. Once you wait the time and pay the fee/re-buy the game then it still shows you have been banned on your account so source mods can still see you have been VAC banned, but you can play on VAC servers. If you get VAC banned again after paying to remove the vac ban then you can never pay to remove it again for the rest of eternity.

I feel like this would not only be a good way to generate income for valve but also be a way to give people a second chance without having to moderate it as VAC will just ban any cheaters automatically if they go back to their old ways.

Yes i understand implementing a system like this to a program as vast as steam would most likely take a lot of work and maybe even some downtime but i would love to see this.

I would love to hear others opinions on this topic.

No. Your ban was your fault. You knew the consequences. Even 6yr olds know cheating is wrong. "Waah waah it's too inconvenient to buy the game on a new account!" It's part of the punishment. Deal with it.

DonVino Jul 5, 2014 @ 1:26pm

Every generation of cheaters has its "Pay to de-VAC" thread...

Mis-Teeq Jul 5, 2014 @ 1:36pm

Originally posted by Τhe Rolling Cheese Wheel:
Nope because this system benefits nobody but the accounts that are used to hack.

Originally posted by DonVino:
Every generation of cheaters has its "Pay to de-VAC" thread...

The answer is no, and Valve agrees with that. The answer will ALWAYS be no.

You screwed up our games, you ruined everything for us - take your punishment like you deserve it.

HLCinSC Jul 5, 2014 @ 1:37pm

People claim all the time Vac banned them for no reason. If you could pay to be unbanned, then there would be dozens of conspiracy threads saying Vac banned them to force them to pay more.

DonVino Jul 5, 2014 @ 1:39pm

Originally posted by HLCinSC:
People claim all the time Vac banned them for no reason. If you could pay to be unbanned, then there would be dozens of conspiracy threads saying Vac banned them to force them to pay more.

They already exist, even without pay to de-vac.

HLCinSC Jul 5, 2014 @ 1:39pm

Originally posted by DonVino:
Originally posted by HLCinSC:
People claim all the time Vac banned them for no reason. If you could pay to be unbanned, then there would be dozens of conspiracy threads saying Vac banned them to force them to pay more.

They already exist, even without pay to de-vac.

True.

Random Reference #98 Jul 5, 2014 @ 1:54pm

Oh no, I'm so sorry you ruined other people's good time for your own ammusement and are now inconvenienced. Poor cheaters, they should totally have a system that encourages them to cheat by having an inconsequential punishment.
Zero tollerance works, threads like this are proof.

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Littlefoot Jul 5, 2014 @ 2:08pm

Big no.

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Roast me Jul 5, 2014 @ 2:21pm

I would vote yes, everyone who were banned knows this feeling. I was banned in 1560 days ago, that is about 6 years ago for Bunny-hop script on CSS bunny hop server. At that time i didnt even know about some google translator. I was 10 years old btw. From that time i have never cheated at least not in multiplayer games

. But still i would like to have my old acc back even if i would have to wait 3-4 more years. I think that punishment should be served, but i really dont think it should be permanent.