CS2 needs cheaters deratisation

[THANATOS]

Needless to say that playing as a laid-back player/someone who doesn't get to play often the game the worst thing that could happen is to encounter one/more cheaters.
I'm an old CS:GO player and I stopped playing for a very long time, reinstalled the game and played for a couple months.

My conclusion is that no matter what you do, private servers, ranked matches, etc, you'll 100% get AT LEAST ONE CHEATER in your match (either in your team or enemy team)

My current rank is silver 2 (which is supposed to be rock bottom to this game) and i kid you not, they're playing better than streamers. Some of them make it less obvious by actually letting you kill them once or twice but others couldn't care less. I was spectating a team mate of mine just before and he was literally aiming his mouse on random points through the walls and then I realised he was trailing the enemy THROUGH THE WALLS.

There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY to climb out of this hell or at least somehow simply enjoy the game because of these hackers. I don't care if they're in MY team or enemy team, they're still annoying. I obviously report all of them, no matter on whose side.

The sad part is that not even 10% of the cheaters get VAC banned because the anti-cheat system is AI supported as I've seen while searching on the internet about it.

Players who resort to cheating kill the fun of the game itself, guess what... even if you win, y'all are the real losers and deserve access denied forever OR get to play only with and against other cheaters.

[Silicon Vampire]

#Fixsociety

Until that happens it’ll always be a cat and mouse game for anti-cheat software. Any of them.

[Cathulhu]

VAC itself does not use AI.
VACnet, which is independent from VAC, uses AI and leads to a game ban, which has nothing to do with VAC, or this forum.

Get your facts straight.

[THANATOS]

Originally posted by Cathulhu:

VAC itself does not use AI.
VACnet, which is independent from VAC, uses AI and leads to a game ban, which has nothing to do with VAC, or this forum.

Get your facts straight.

Out of everything i said the only thing you wanted to say is that i have to get my facts straight on a topic i read about on forums. If it bothers you so much, you could simply NOT READ that part and keep everything else in my post.
If a topic about cheaters shouldn't be discussed here, then where?..

[THANATOS]

Originally posted by Silicon Vampire:

#Fixsociety

Until that happens it’ll always be a cat and mouse game for anti-cheat software. Any of them.

Yep...
At this point i'd be willing to literally pay to have access to a version of the game in which you're safe from any kind of cheaters... OH WAIT, THAT'S WHAT PRIME FOR CS IS FOR.
(the irony is killing me)

[Soren]

Originally posted by Silicon Vampire:

#Fixsociety

Until that happens it’ll always be a cat and mouse game for anti-cheat software. Any of them.

It's basically, almost literally impossible to "fix society" of a systemic social behaviour like cheating. This behaviour has been around since gaming has been around. Some people will always cheat where ever possible. It is only through being made impossible will those people finally stop.

We don't look at the Olympics and say drug tests are not the answer, we have to socially condition people so 100% of them will never cheat instead. As doing that is a million times more improbable than just doing tests meant to catch cheaters.

Also, a solution doesn't need to be absolute. If what is being asked is Valve just plays the cat and mouse game better so there are less cheaters on average, that would be a win for most gamers. This is a lot more feasible to implement over fixing a systemic issue.

[Wock73]

Originally posted by Soren:

Originally posted by Silicon Vampire:

#Fixsociety

Until that happens it’ll always be a cat and mouse game for anti-cheat software. Any of them.

It's basically, almost literally impossible to "fix society" of a systemic social behaviour like cheating. This behaviour has been around since gaming has been around. Some people will always cheat where ever possible. It is only through being made impossible will those people finally stop.

We don't look at the Olympics and say drug tests are not the answer, we have to socially condition people so 100% of them will never cheat instead. As doing that is a million times more improbable than just doing tests meant to catch cheaters.

Also, a solution doesn't need to be absolute. If what is being asked is Valve just plays the cat and mouse game better so there are less cheaters on average, that would be a win for most gamers. This is a lot more feasible to implement over fixing a systemic issue.

Problem is, no matter how much the cat gets wiser, the cat has no reason to act unless the mouse moves. Keep in mind that VAC is not meant to be a deterrent, its purpose is to punish. Sure, VAC could be more efficient but until someone comes up with a better option AND creates it (meaning, not whining about it in the forums), this is the best option out there for its purpose.

Protest is when I say this does not please me.
Resistance is when I ensure what does not please me occurs no more

- Ulrike Meinhof

[THANATOS]

Originally posted by Wock73:

Originally posted by Soren:

It's basically, almost literally impossible to "fix society" of a systemic social behaviour like cheating. This behaviour has been around since gaming has been around. Some people will always cheat where ever possible. It is only through being made impossible will those people finally stop.

We don't look at the Olympics and say drug tests are not the answer, we have to socially condition people so 100% of them will never cheat instead. As doing that is a million times more improbable than just doing tests meant to catch cheaters.

Also, a solution doesn't need to be absolute. If what is being asked is Valve just plays the cat and mouse game better so there are less cheaters on average, that would be a win for most gamers. This is a lot more feasible to implement over fixing a systemic issue.

Problem is, no matter how much the cat gets wiser, the cat has no reason to act unless the mouse moves. Keep in mind that VAC is not meant to be a deterrent, its purpose is to punish. Sure, VAC could be more efficient but until someone comes up with a better option AND creates it (meaning, not whining about it in the forums), this is the best option out there for its purpose.

Protest is when I say this does not please me.
Resistance is when I ensure what does not please me occurs no more

- Ulrike Meinhof

Agree 100% with what you're saying.
The main problem is that people like you and me, who most likely are powerless against such occurance, can't help but try to point out stuff like i intend to with this post on the forum.
Who knows.. maybe by dumb luck someone who has the power would actually take action or at least be more motivated to, even if it is just by a little. I'm just doing my part on this as a part of the community. If there would be more and more people pointing stuff out.. who knows..

Also i agree with you that whining about it on a forum is almost equivalent to 0, but even so...
1.01 is the equivalent to 1
1.01 to the power of 1000 = 20959.155637813845
while 1 to the power of 1000 is still = 1

[Wock73]

Originally posted by Adam Blaze:

Originally posted by Wock73:

Problem is, no matter how much the cat gets wiser, the cat has no reason to act unless the mouse moves. Keep in mind that VAC is not meant to be a deterrent, its purpose is to punish. Sure, VAC could be more efficient but until someone comes up with a better option AND creates it (meaning, not whining about it in the forums), this is the best option out there for its purpose.

Protest is when I say this does not please me.
Resistance is when I ensure what does not please me occurs no more

- Ulrike Meinhof

Agree 100% with what you're saying.
The main problem is that people like you and me, who most likely are powerless against such occurance, can't help but try to point out stuff like i intend to with this post on the forum.
Who knows.. maybe by dumb luck someone who has the power would actually take action or at least be more motivated to, even if it is just by a little. I'm just doing my part on this as a part of the community. If there would be more and more people pointing stuff out.. who knows..

Also i agree with you that whining about it on a forum is almost equivalent to 0, but even so...
1.01 is the equivalent to 1
1.01 to the power of 1000 = 20959.155637813845
while 1 to the power of 1000 is still = 1

At that point you might as well yell at the clouds, more productive use of your time. That, or find a different game to play. If you really want to work with that 1.01 to the nth power, vote with your wallet and/or game of choice

[IronKoalas]

Originally posted by Adam Blaze:

There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY to climb out of this hell or at least somehow simply enjoy the game because of these hackers. I don't care if they're in MY team or enemy team, they're still annoying. I obviously report all of them, no matter on whose side.

I agree but Valve doesn't come on this part of the forum or any forum on Steam for that matter. The only way to avoid cheaters is to play with trusted friends that do not cheat. That's what I do and it works pretty good.

[Duck Twacy]

Originally posted by Adam Blaze:

Needless to say that playing as a laid-back player/someone who doesn't get to play often the game the worst thing that could happen is to encounter one/more cheaters.
I'm an old CS:GO player and I stopped playing for a very long time, reinstalled the game and played for a couple months.

My conclusion is that no matter what you do, private servers, ranked matches, etc, you'll 100% get AT LEAST ONE CHEATER in your match (either in your team or enemy team)

My current rank is silver 2 (which is supposed to be rock bottom to this game) and i kid you not, they're playing better than streamers. Some of them make it less obvious by actually letting you kill them once or twice but others couldn't care less. I was spectating a team mate of mine just before and he was literally aiming his mouse on random points through the walls and then I realised he was trailing the enemy THROUGH THE WALLS.

There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY to climb out of this hell or at least somehow simply enjoy the game because of these hackers. I don't care if they're in MY team or enemy team, they're still annoying. I obviously report all of them, no matter on whose side.

The sad part is that not even 10% of the cheaters get VAC banned because the anti-cheat system is AI supported as I've seen while searching on the internet about it.

Players who resort to cheating kill the fun of the game itself, guess what... even if you win, y'all are the real losers and deserve access denied forever OR get to play only with and against other cheaters.

I'm an old school Single Player gamer. I was raised during a time when MP was a rarity, but all had high hopes for it.

I don't do CS in any form whatsoever, and like I said on previous threads cheating was always there, but manageable, and now it's just out of control.

VAC is, I'm assuming, financially supported by Valves take on game sales an subscriptions. I think requiring people to pay and post their real world IDs for an account to play is probably a better way to manage cheaters, provided the game is popular or attractive enough to the player base.

Otherwise ,.. you know what? I would be happy if someone gave some makeovers to older single player titles I liked from years back. A new HD version of the original Half Life ... Thief and Thief 2, the original GTA and GTA 2 ... the Indiana Jones' games, and so forth.

Cheating comes from all corners of the world. Again it used to be strictly a US issue because the net hadn't reached most places. Then as it expanded you got cheaters from Europe, then Eastern Europe, then Asia, then Central and South America ... cheating crosses all social groups. Nobody is excluded.

I hope VAC is keeping its thumb active on the cheating community, even though I quit playing Valve titles years ago.

[Soren]

Originally posted by Wock73:

Problem is, no matter how much the cat gets wiser, the cat has no reason to act unless the mouse moves. Keep in mind that VAC is not meant to be a deterrent, its purpose is to punish. Sure, VAC could be more efficient but until someone comes up with a better option AND creates it (meaning, not whining about it in the forums), this is the best option out there for its purpose.

Protest is when I say this does not please me.
Resistance is when I ensure what does not please me occurs no more

- Ulrike Meinhof

I feel like punishments can be deterrents, but only if they are consistently doled out. That's why I wish Valve re-vamped their VAC or supplemented their games with human moderation more. Of course, the main issue is human moderation is expensive.

Honestly, consoles handle cheating better not just because the consoles are harder to modify. But also because the paid online membership both pays for the human moderation, and creates an extra barrier to entry that deters cheaters.

So the real solution here is just play on consoles if you want less cheaters (assuming the game doesn't force crossplay) or play PC games that can't have cheaters or has private servers.

[cincinni]

Originally posted by Adam Blaze:

Needless to say that playing as a laid-back player/someone who doesn't get to play often the game the worst thing that could happen is to encounter one/more cheaters.
I'm an old CS:GO player and I stopped playing for a very long time, reinstalled the game and played for a couple months.

My conclusion is that no matter what you do, private servers, ranked matches, etc, you'll 100% get AT LEAST ONE CHEATER in your match (either in your team or enemy team)

My current rank is silver 2 (which is supposed to be rock bottom to this game) and i kid you not, they're playing better than streamers. Some of them make it less obvious by actually letting you kill them once or twice but others couldn't care less. I was spectating a team mate of mine just before and he was literally aiming his mouse on random points through the walls and then I realised he was trailing the enemy THROUGH THE WALLS.

There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY to climb out of this hell or at least somehow simply enjoy the game because of these hackers. I don't care if they're in MY team or enemy team, they're still annoying. I obviously report all of them, no matter on whose side.

The sad part is that not even 10% of the cheaters get VAC banned because the anti-cheat system is AI supported as I've seen while searching on the internet about it.

Players who resort to cheating kill the fun of the game itself, guess what... even if you win, y'all are the real losers and deserve access denied forever OR get to play only with and against other cheaters.

I don't see any cheaters but I do agree with you that cheaters makes the game not fun, cheaters are sociopaths, I hope VAC bans them.