Game bans vs VAC

[KilledJoy]

Im curious how do you even get a game ban without gettting a VAC ban assuming said game is VAC enabled. What causes a game ban usually that does not trigger a VAC ban.

[Unn4m3d (♥AUT♥)]

Griefing, Account Boosting or, in case of Dota2, smurfing.
None of these require any programs that VAC could detect, so a Game Ban is issued.

[KilledJoy]

Originally posted by Unn4m3d (♥AUT♥):

Griefing, Account Boosting or, in case of Dota2, smurfing.
None of these require any programs that VAC could detect, so a Game Ban is issued.

Ive seen lot of greifing and smurfing in games like CS2/CS:GO, a game thats also VAC enabled with little reduction in occurrence.. leads me into why arent game bans more common like VAC bans are?

[Fr4ntic]

And when overwatch was still around in cs go you could get a game ban for cheating while vac not being known with said cheat.

[Fr4ntic]

And untrusted ban shows on the profile as an game ban. Untrusted bans are for humanly incapeable inputs which always have to be cheats making them 100% accurate.

[Unn4m3d (♥AUT♥)]

Originally posted by KilledJoy:

Originally posted by Unn4m3d (♥AUT♥):

Griefing, Account Boosting or, in case of Dota2, smurfing.
None of these require any programs that VAC could detect, so a Game Ban is issued.

Ive seen lot of greifing and smurfing in games like CS2/CS:GO, a game thats also VAC enabled with little reduction in occurrence.. leads me into why arent game bans more common like VAC bans are?

1) Smurfing, as far as I'm aware, is not forbidden in CS2, which is why is specifically said Dota2.

2) Whether or not VAC is enabled has nothing to do with that whatsoever. I told you that VAC detects cheating programs.

3) Game Bans are quite common, there is plenty of people with Game Bans coming here trying to appeal it, which is futile of course.

[KilledJoy]

Originally posted by Unn4m3d (♥AUT♥):

Originally posted by KilledJoy:

Ive seen lot of greifing and smurfing in games like CS2/CS:GO, a game thats also VAC enabled with little reduction in occurrence.. leads me into why arent game bans more common like VAC bans are?

1) Smurfing, as far as I'm aware, is not forbidden in CS2, which is why is specifically said Dota2.

2) Whether or not VAC is enabled has nothing to do with that whatsoever. I told you that VAC detects cheating programs.

3) Game Bans are quite common, there is plenty of people with Game Bans coming here trying to appeal it, which is futile of course.

I got that part of VAC and game bans are separate, im only trying to understand the complete differences as I see a lot of game bans from people recently. Why wouldnt more games try filtering out people I wonder. Just informational lol, im not even stricken with a gameban.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

VAC is completely automated and only ban for cheating. Game bans are issued by the game devs for basically everything else.

[blunus]

Both VAC and game bans put the same punishments on afflicted accounts. Game devs are the ones bringing out game bans such as using Easy Anti-Cheat in place of VAC, and also have their rules.

Game bans can be removed by contacting the game devs as long as cheating is not the cause.

[Fr4ntic]

Originally posted by blunus:

Both VAC and game bans put the same punishments on afflicted accounts. Game devs are the ones bringing out game bans such as using Easy Anti-Cheat in place of VAC, and also have their rules.

Game bans can be removed by contacting the game devs as long as cheating is not the cause.

That last part isnt true for cs for instance you can get game banned for other things then cheating ( deranking/boosting etc ) and they state that evry game ban on the game cs is always permanent.

The abillity to dispute a game ban varies per game incase of cs its not an option.

[Fr4ntic]

Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

VAC is completely automated and only ban for cheating. Game bans are issued by the game devs for basically everything else.

:winterbunny2023:

Almost true since you can get a game ban for cheating in cs2.