How does the steam anti cheat system work

[Mossi Nga Seanca]

My friend recently got his account banned and all his alts banned without even putting in a number, can this be because of the change account option, also please dont cheat in cs2 the anti cheat is ♥♥♥♥

[Silicon Vampire]

VAC, GAME, community, forum, market or trade ban?

There are substantial differences... even between the first two, which I suspect but details are important.

[Wolf Knight]

vac bans are issued for known cheats being detected while the account is connected to a vac server. all accounts with the same phone number will be banned at the same time if any of them earn a ban.

anything that tampers with protected game files is treated as a cheat regardless of it giving an advantage or not (skin changers are cheats)

if a vac ban is falsely applied to an account, it will get removed at a later time. this can take a few days, few weeks, few months, there is no set time table for it to happen.

it does not matter who is in control of an account when it earns a vac ban, the ban will be permanent, account security is the account owners responsibility.

[Mossi Nga Seanca]

is it only with the phone number, because when i go to my profile and click change account, will my other accounts be effected if this one gets banned?

[Abigail From Sneaky Squid Dept.]

Qamil Harxhi の投稿を引用：

is it only with the phone number, because when i go to my profile and click change account, will my other accounts be effected if this one gets banned?

Game and vac bans are only applied to multiple accounts with the same phone number at the time of the infraction.

[MAXE]

VAC = Valve Allow Cheaters !

it is ineffective at keeping cheaters away from the games played here on Steam, its so ineffective that the whole forum lobby of Counterstrike 2 has removed the Vac discussion section in that game !

And the true reason for that is that Valve dont have a more strict Steam Account account creation that makes sure that the accounts are registered and very personal !

That is why Valve struggle with cheaters, speciel the recurring ones on new accounts or bought accounts on Ebay and other place on the internet that is sold as booster accounts .. you can get any account out there at any level you want, because Valve dont demand personal info to have a steam account & keep control of who owns the account or if it shift hands !

Want a cheater free Steam Platform ? .. Then force Valve to demand personal informations on the steam accounts, if the player want to compete against other players online !"

and make the anticheat system ban the cheaters instant without delays !

That is how you deal with cheats on Steam ..

The way Valve is handling the cheater issue and has done for the last 23 years is stupid, false and ineffective even Punkbuster was better at keeping the games clean of cheaters and that says alot !

But hey what do I know huh ?¿?¿? ..

[Duck Twacy]

Like I said on the other thread, I quit CS a long time ago. Way back when the net was first expanding I advocated people be required to give the forum or game company their personal info of who they really were, where they lived and so on, to prevent that same person from just getting another account with a different phone number. But no one listened.

Games like CS initially were meant for adults, and there was a big debate about violence in games. But eventually parents shrugged their shoulders and bout every violent game out there for their kids, which invited a lot of grade schoolers and pre-teens who didn't and don't think about cheating, or don't think that it's wrong. So ... whatever.

In my case I had a lot of service people gaming with me on Insurgency servers. Army, navy, air force, marines, and where they were adults they also DL'd and used hacks. I never saw anyone get banned. Maybe cheaters were banned, but I never saw it happened, so I stopped playing and quit supporting the game.

In short I don't think game companies are too concerned about cheating. As long as younger and dumber players buy their junk and keep the cash flow going, that's what matters. They care out of principle, but in the long run it doesn't hurt their finances, so it's a concern, but not big one. So they let whoever is concerned police their software. Hence VAC.

[Silicon Vampire]

M-A-X-E ™ の投稿を引用：

VAC = Valve Allow Cheaters !

SNIP . . .

But hey what do I know huh ?¿?¿? .. :steamdeadpan:

That's about the only statement (in that mess) I could agree with. I've seen many of your posts...

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

M-A-X-E ™ の投稿を引用：

VAC = Valve Allow Cheaters !

it is ineffective at keeping cheaters away from the games played here on Steam, its so ineffective that the whole forum lobby of Counterstrike 2 has removed the Vac discussion section in that game !

And the true reason for that is that Valve dont have a more strict Steam Account account creation that makes sure that the accounts are registered and very personal !

That is why Valve struggle with cheaters, speciel the recurring ones on new accounts or bought accounts on Ebay and other place on the internet that is sold as booster accounts .. you can get any account out there at any level you want, because Valve dont demand personal info to have a steam account & keep control of who owns the account or if it shift hands !

Want a cheater free Steam Platform ? .. Then force Valve to demand personal informations on the steam accounts, if the player want to compete against other players online !"

and make the anticheat system ban the cheaters instant without delays !

That is how you deal with cheats on Steam ..

The way Valve is handling the cheater issue and has done for the last 23 years is stupid, false and ineffective even Punkbuster was better at keeping the games clean of cheaters and that says alot !

But hey what do I know huh ?¿?¿? ..

What the hell is an instant delay anyway?

Instant bans would only make it easier for cheaters and cheat developers in the long run. Cheat developers would update their cheats faster until every cheat would be undetectable. But you're saying that you're against cheating lol?

So what do you know? Not much, apparently.

Also if you really think that Valve allows cheating, what are you still doing here?

[MAXE]

Silicon Vampire の投稿を引用：

M-A-X-E ™ の投稿を引用：

VAC = Valve Allow Cheaters !

SNIP . . .

But hey what do I know huh ?¿?¿? ..

That's about the only statement (in that mess) I could agree with. I've seen many of your posts...

Yeah okay, im not good at short messages .. But i will try ->


I just know that it aint legal to cheat in games according to the laws in both US and EU ..

Cheating in games is a copyright Act violation, illegal derivative work, infringement, breach of the CFFA, breach & violation of the ToS ..

Why do Valve allow people to do that ?

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

M-A-X-E ™ の投稿を引用：

Silicon Vampire の投稿を引用：

That's about the only statement (in that mess) I could agree with. I've seen many of your posts...

Yeah okay, im not good at short messages .. But i will try ->


I just know that it aint legal to cheat in games according to the laws in both US and EU ..

Cheating in games is a copyright Act violation, illegal derivative work, infringement, breach of the CFFA, breach & violation of the ToS ..

Why do Valve allow people to do that ?

That's why the account is banned. Valve has never banned users, they ban accounts.

You claim to have been around here for ages and you don't realize that?

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Before you say, well they should just ban users then. Great. Again, your account is hijacked and it is used to cheat. The account is then banned but as per your suggestion it is taken even further where you are banned because you are responsible for all activity on your account and the security of your account.

So now, you are permanently banned from everything due to another person cheating on your account.

Be careful what you ask for or wish for.

[MAXE]

C²C^Guyver |NZB| の投稿を引用：

Instant bans would only make it easier for cheaters and cheap developers in the long run. Cheat developers would update their cheats faster until every cheat would be undetectable. But you're saying that you're against cheating lol?

So what do you know? Not much, apparently.

Also if you really think that Valve allows cheating, what are you still doing here?

instant bans is the way to go .. but it will need to have a backup with a very strict Steam account creation system, that 100% keep an eye on who owns the account even if you sell your steam account to another person !

The anonymous uncontrolled Steam accounts is where the real issue is, when we talk about combat cheaters on this platform, Vacnet is a joke and is just fighting recurring cheaters all the time, if Valve want Vacnet to function 100%, then Valve will need to close that open gateway called unregistered steam accounts the cheaters abuse to come back into the game again with & cheat multiple times on multiple accounts to infinity, because there is no limits on how many accounts you can have on steam !

[MAXE]

C²C^Guyver |NZB| の投稿を引用：

Before you say, well they should just ban users then. Great. Again, your account is hijacked and it is used to cheat. The account is then banned but as per your suggestion it is taken even further where you are banned because you are responsible for all activity on your account and the security of your account.

So now, you are permanently banned from everything due to another person cheating on your account.

Be careful what you ask for or wish for.

If you use Valve´s 2fa system and secure your emails good enough with a strong code and aint stupid enough to click on links sent to your email adress or link your account to scamming api sites.. then there is 0% chance of you being able to hijack any accounts here on Steam !

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

No it isn't. Do you think you're the only person to ever suggest that? Do you know why they haven't done it? For the exact reason that I described.

If a cheat developer or a cheater, was banned instantly that would tip them off that whatever they were using is detectable. They would then go back to the cheat author and say hey this got detected. The cheat developer would then update the cheat.

This would continue until any cheat was undetectable because it would be updated almost constantly.

Anyone who is against cheating would know that this is a terrible idea and would never suggest this.


You have no idea how VAC or VACnet works. So I would be careful what you call a joke. The only thing that needs to be under control is your ego.

Steam accounts are free, that is why you're allowed to create as many as you want.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

M-A-X-E ™ の投稿を引用：

C²C^Guyver |NZB| の投稿を引用：

Before you say, well they should just ban users then. Great. Again, your account is hijacked and it is used to cheat. The account is then banned but as per your suggestion it is taken even further where you are banned because you are responsible for all activity on your account and the security of your account.

So now, you are permanently banned from everything due to another person cheating on your account.

Be careful what you ask for or wish for.

If you use Valve´s 2fa system and secure your emails good enough with a strong code and aint stupid enough to click on links sent to your email adress or link your account to scamming api sites.. then there is 0% chance of you being able to hijack any accounts here on Steam !

Do a search on the entire forums and you will find topic after topic of people who had their account hijacked even though they were using 2FA.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and you need to start educating yourself.