VAC Bans and the Community

[Internet Felon]

So I have a VAC Ban in Rust with a large amount of time passed (3292 days as of writing this). Why am I unable to even participate in community or workshop voting in an other game entirely being CS:GO and I never received a 5 and 10 year coin. I get it, I cheated and got banned in Rust, but why does this have any weight on another game entirely. I shouldn't have to migrate to another account to participate in a game's community.

For clarification, I'm not asking to have my ban removed I just want to know why this is never even addressed in the official FAQ. I can still trade ,but if I want to vote for a skin to be added I need to jump to another account. It just doesn't make any sense.

https://i.imgur.com/dBJ93Wo.png
https://i.imgur.com/gwA1McD.png

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Iirc, Rust doesn't use VAC....

[Internet Felon]

Originally posted by Shaggy:

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/647C-5CC1-7EA9-3C29#voting

Yes, but it says in the game you are banned on.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Originally posted by The divorce was your fault.:

So I have a VAC Ban in Rust with a large amount of time passed (3292 days as of writing this). Why am I unable to even participate in community or workshop voting in an other game entirely being CS:GO and I never received a 5 and 10 year coin. I get it, I cheated and got banned in Rust, but why does this have any weight on another game entirely. I shouldn't have to migrate to another account to participate in a game's community.

For clarification, I'm not asking to have my ban removed I just want to know why this is never even addressed in the official FAQ. I can still trade ,but if I want to vote for a skin to be added I need to jump to another account. It just doesn't make any sense.

Simple, because people were using their VAC banned accounts to abuse voting.

Coins, you don't get to cheat and then get rewards in other games.

Account has been VAC banned since 2014, by the way.

https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/#4

You agreed there, not to cheat when you created the account. You violated it. So, you accept everything that comes with that violation.

This is why you don't cheat. It has lasting effects on your account.

[Internet Felon]

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Originally posted by The divorce was your fault.:

So I have a VAC Ban in Rust with a large amount of time passed (3292 days as of writing this). Why am I unable to even participate in community or workshop voting in an other game entirely being CS:GO and I never received a 5 and 10 year coin. I get it, I cheated and got banned in Rust, but why does this have any weight on another game entirely. I shouldn't have to migrate to another account to participate in a game's community.

For clarification, I'm not asking to have my ban removed I just want to know why this is never even addressed in the official FAQ. I can still trade ,but if I want to vote for a skin to be added I need to jump to another account. It just doesn't make any sense.

Simple, because people were using their VAC banned accounts to abuse voting.

Coins, you don't get to cheat and then get rewards in other games.

Account has been VAC banned since 2014, by the way.

https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/#4

You agreed there, not to cheat when you created the account. You violated it. So, you accept everything that comes with that violation.

This is why you don't cheat. It has lasting effects on your account.

I'm addressing the fact that their is a discrepancy from what is being told me by the FAQ and what is actually applied on my account. CS:GO is technically F2P now yes, however I bought the game. I just want to vote on skins for a game I have sank tons of time and by the logic of coins why do I still get case drops and skins? If I don't get rewards for playing. I'm not saying I didn't cheat ,and that I didn't violate guidelines. The FAQ just needs to be updated to reflect this or my account is an edge case and something should get fixed.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Originally posted by The divorce was your fault.:

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Simple, because people were using their VAC banned accounts to abuse voting.

Coins, you don't get to cheat and then get rewards in other games.

Account has been VAC banned since 2014, by the way.

https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/#4

You agreed there, not to cheat when you created the account. You violated it. So, you accept everything that comes with that violation.

This is why you don't cheat. It has lasting effects on your account.

I'm addressing the fact that their is a discrepancy from what is being told me by the FAQ and what is actually applied on my account. CS:GO is technically F2P now yes, however I bought the game. I just want to vote on skins for a game I have sank tons of time and by the logic of coins why do I still get case drops and skins? If I don't get rewards for playing. I'm not saying I didn't cheat ,and that I didn't violate guidelines. The FAQ just needs to be updated to reflect this or my account is an edge case.

Again, it's F2P now ...so. Think. If you hadn't cheated, would you have this issue? No.

Nothing needs fixing. VAC polices are not up for debate. VAC bans are permanent as are any restrictions that go with them.

You made a choice to cheat, choices have consequences, some of them, permanent.

[Internet Felon]

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Originally posted by The divorce was your fault.:

I'm addressing the fact that their is a discrepancy from what is being told me by the FAQ and what is actually applied on my account. CS:GO is technically F2P now yes, however I bought the game. I just want to vote on skins for a game I have sank tons of time and by the logic of coins why do I still get case drops and skins? If I don't get rewards for playing. I'm not saying I didn't cheat ,and that I didn't violate guidelines. The FAQ just needs to be updated to reflect this or my account is an edge case.

Again, it's F2P now ...so. Think. If you hadn't cheated, would you have this issue? No.

VAC polices are not up for debate. VAC bans are permanent as are any restrictions that go with them.

You made a choice to cheat, choices have consequences, some of them, permanent.

Again, it's F2P now ...so. <-- This is part of what I'm trying to say. CS:S was first game on my account you have to pay for and it carries over with the coins. Even if its F2P now at that time I still should have had access to the community and still be unrestricted in CS:GO. I'm not debating the policy itself ,but the fact that how its being applied does not align with the FAQ guidelines on how it is supposed to be applied. Also I have a friend in a similar situation yet he still received his coin. So with this noted is everything just a case by case basis or just luck of however an individual case was handled? Once again I'm not trying to change a policy just get either some clarification on this situation by someone who is actually qualified or get some standardization on how this is carried out. Yes, I understand what this vac ban is I've had it for 9+ years now, but we are still patrons to other communities and publishers.

Sincerely, a steam account felon.

[☯Rub A Dub Nub☯™]

Originally posted by The divorce was your fault.:

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Again, it's F2P now ...so. Think. If you hadn't cheated, would you have this issue? No.

VAC polices are not up for debate. VAC bans are permanent as are any restrictions that go with them.

You made a choice to cheat, choices have consequences, some of them, permanent.

Again, it's F2P now ...so. <-- This is part of what I'm trying to say. CS:S was first game on my account you have to pay for and it carries over with the coins. Even if its F2P now at that time I still should have had access to the community and still be unrestricted in CS:GO. I'm not debating the policy itself ,but the fact that how its being applied does not align with the FAQ guidelines on how it is supposed to be applied. Also I have a friend in a similar situation yet he still received his coin. So with this noted is everything just a case by case basis or just luck of however an individual case was handled? Once again I'm not trying to change a policy just get either some clarification on this situation by someone who is actually qualified or get some standardization on how this is carried out. Yes, I understand what this vac ban is I've had it for 9+ years now, but we are still patrons to other communities and publishers.

Sincerely, a steam account felon.

Listen kid, if you dont like the policy then retain an attorney, sue VALVe and then drop back in and let us know how it goes. Till then you have been given the answer, and albeit you may not like the answer, and it is obvious you do not, the answer will not change. This forum is not an appeals forum or a place to discuss your personal VAC ban. Take up your fight for Voting rights for VAC BAN accounts with the lawyer you hire, be sure they make VALVe change the FAQ and then have a party, you will have deserved it, bravo.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Originally posted by The divorce was your fault.:

Originally posted by C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Again, it's F2P now ...so. Think. If you hadn't cheated, would you have this issue? No.

VAC polices are not up for debate. VAC bans are permanent as are any restrictions that go with them.

You made a choice to cheat, choices have consequences, some of them, permanent.

Again, it's F2P now ...so. <-- This is part of what I'm trying to say. CS:S was first game on my account you have to pay for and it carries over with the coins. Even if its F2P now at that time I still should have had access to the community and still be unrestricted in CS:GO. I'm not debating the policy itself ,but the fact that how its being applied does not align with the FAQ guidelines on how it is supposed to be applied. Also I have a friend in a similar situation yet he still received his coin. So with this noted is everything just a case by case basis or just luck of however an individual case was handled? Once again I'm not trying to change a policy just get either some clarification on this situation by someone who is actually qualified or get some standardization on how this is carried out. Yes, I understand what this vac ban is I've had it for 9+ years now, but we are still patrons to other communities and publishers.

Sincerely, a steam account felon.

Go back and what I said earlier. Did you violate the SSA by cheating? Yes. Period. Nothing else needs to be said. You agreed to everything in the SSA and you violated it. You agreed to those conditions. Valve doesn't have to do anything. It's your fault for not knowing that 1. Cheating violates the SSA. 2. VAC bans affect other aspects of your account.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Originally posted by The divorce was your fault.:

VAC Bans and the Community

So I have a VAC Ban in Rust with a large amount of time passed (3292 days as of writing this). Why am I unable to even participate in community or workshop voting in an other game entirely being CS:GO and I never received a 5 and 10 year coin. I get it, I cheated and got banned in Rust, but why does this have any weight on another game entirely. I shouldn't have to migrate to another account to participate in a game's community.

For clarification, I'm not asking to have my ban removed I just want to know why this is never even addressed in the official FAQ. I can still trade ,but if I want to vote for a skin to be added I need to jump to another account. It just doesn't make any sense.

https://i.imgur.com/dBJ93Wo.png
https://i.imgur.com/gwA1McD.png

You can't vote on workshop items from the game you were banned in and this one is important "Free to Play" games, which CS:GO is.

The extra restrictions were added back in October 2017 due to banned accounts mass abusing the voting of scam items in game hubs.

This is also why we can't put "free" and "skins" together without the and in the middle because mass abuse of the words to entice users to click phishing links for fake skin sites.

It was a huge mess Summer of 2017 for multiple game hubs, Dota 2, CS:GO, PUBG and to a lesser extent, TF2. Notice the ones that are F2P games that I just mentioned.

The forums had hundreds of these threads daily posting "free" and "skins" workshop items, usually a picture of a knife or some other high value items on a workshop submission. The item just had the link to the scam site on it and the thread was spammed by hundreds of bot accounts, usually sold accounts that were all VAC banned or Game banned and they all had the same bot replies saying it is a good site or thank you. They all upvoted the fake workshop item which lead to it having hundreds of upvotes within minutes of the item being submitted and a 5 star rating, covering pages of the workshops for these game hubs.

A huge, multiple month mess leading to the voting restrictions for banned accounts.

[Hammer Of Evil]

Originally posted by The divorce was your fault.:

So I have a VAC Ban in Rust with a large amount of time passed (3292 days as of writing this). Why am I unable to even participate in community or workshop voting in an other game entirely being CS:GO and I never received a 5 and 10 year coin. I get it, I cheated and got banned in Rust, but why does this have any weight on another game entirely. I shouldn't have to migrate to another account to participate in a game's community.

For clarification, I'm not asking to have my ban removed I just want to know why this is never even addressed in the official FAQ. I can still trade ,but if I want to vote for a skin to be added I need to jump to another account. It just doesn't make any sense.

https://i.imgur.com/dBJ93Wo.png
https://i.imgur.com/gwA1McD.png

If we think about it, VAC stands for VALVE ANTI CHEAT, and we notice that Valve is the company that made it.

valve is the company that owns the steam platform. They are the gods of this land. They also make the rules.

if they decide to exclude people who have cheated and been caught by the VAC system, they are free to do that.

they are also free to modify the policy at any time, with or without notice, if you read the agreements and terms you accepted when you decided to connect to a vac secured server with a cheat, and steam eula, etc etc.

It's probably going to get worse you know, as cheaters continue to abuse everything they possibly can. You may find yourself restricted in many more ways in the future.

this is a problem that you landed yourself in, and the consequences are heavy. I personally think that it's pretty entitled of you to think that a vac banned user should be given the same freedoms as those who don't cheat.

You're right that they can modify the FAQ's but well, people could also read the terms and conditions, so i'd wager they won't put a priority on this.

[Internet Felon]

Originally posted by Hammer Of Evil:

Originally posted by The divorce was your fault.:

So I have a VAC Ban in Rust with a large amount of time passed (3292 days as of writing this). Why am I unable to even participate in community or workshop voting in an other game entirely being CS:GO and I never received a 5 and 10 year coin. I get it, I cheated and got banned in Rust, but why does this have any weight on another game entirely. I shouldn't have to migrate to another account to participate in a game's community.

For clarification, I'm not asking to have my ban removed I just want to know why this is never even addressed in the official FAQ. I can still trade ,but if I want to vote for a skin to be added I need to jump to another account. It just doesn't make any sense.

https://i.imgur.com/dBJ93Wo.png
https://i.imgur.com/gwA1McD.png

If we think about it, VAC stands for VALVE ANTI CHEAT, and we notice that Valve is the company that made it.

valve is the company that owns the steam platform. They are the gods of this land. They also make the rules.

if they decide to exclude people who have cheated and been caught by the VAC system, they are free to do that.

they are also free to modify the policy at any time, with or without notice, if you read the agreements and terms you accepted when you decided to connect to a vac secured server with a cheat, and steam eula, etc etc.

It's probably going to get worse you know, as cheaters continue to abuse everything they possibly can. You may find yourself restricted in many more ways in the future.

this is a problem that you landed yourself in, and the consequences are heavy. I personally think that it's pretty entitled of you to think that a vac banned user should be given the same freedoms as those who don't cheat.

You're right that they can modify the FAQ's but well, people could also read the terms and conditions, so i'd wager they won't put a priority on this.

"a vac banned user should be given the same freedoms as those who don't cheat." This is not what I'm asking for.

I have a friend who has a 9 year old VAC ban on Cod Blackops he is still able to vote for skins and has both a 5 & 10 year veteran coin despite playing CS a few years after me. I'm just asking why this isn't carried out in a standardized format or atleast why our situations are different (when the only thing different is the game we were VAC'd in).
https://i.imgur.com/bXsncwF.png
https://i.imgur.com/WspzTmo.png

After 7 years Steam no longer shows you have a VAC ban on your profile its lenient in that aspect its strange.

"You're right that they can modify the FAQ's but well, people could also read the terms and conditions, so i'd wager they won't put a priority on this. " I mean yes, but if that was the case there wouldn't need to be a FAQ or by that logic it would be pointless.

[Internet Felon]

Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Originally posted by The divorce was your fault.:

VAC Bans and the Community

So I have a VAC Ban in Rust with a large amount of time passed (3292 days as of writing this). Why am I unable to even participate in community or workshop voting in an other game entirely being CS:GO and I never received a 5 and 10 year coin. I get it, I cheated and got banned in Rust, but why does this have any weight on another game entirely. I shouldn't have to migrate to another account to participate in a game's community.

For clarification, I'm not asking to have my ban removed I just want to know why this is never even addressed in the official FAQ. I can still trade ,but if I want to vote for a skin to be added I need to jump to another account. It just doesn't make any sense.

https://i.imgur.com/dBJ93Wo.png
https://i.imgur.com/gwA1McD.png

You can't vote on workshop items from the game you were banned in and this one is important "Free to Play" games, which CS:GO is.

The extra restrictions were added back in October 2017 due to banned accounts mass abusing the voting of scam items in game hubs.

This is also why we can't put "free" and "skins" together without the and in the middle because mass abuse of the words to entice users to click phishing links for fake skin sites.

It was a huge mess Summer of 2017 for multiple game hubs, Dota 2, CS:GO, PUBG and to a lesser extent, TF2. Notice the ones that are F2P games that I just mentioned.

The forums had hundreds of these threads daily posting "free" and "skins" workshop items, usually a picture of a knife or some other high value items on a workshop submission. The item just had the link to the scam site on it and the thread was spammed by hundreds of bot accounts, usually sold accounts that were all VAC banned or Game banned and they all had the same bot replies saying it is a good site or thank you. They all upvoted the fake workshop item which lead to it having hundreds of upvotes within minutes of the item being submitted and a 5 star rating, covering pages of the workshops for these game hubs.

A huge, multiple month mess leading to the voting restrictions for banned accounts.

:qr:

Actually didn't know to much about this aspect I remember seeing the spam had no idea it was for VAC banned accounts. Yet my friend also has a VAC-ban on Cod Blackops and can still contribute to the community and vote on skins. Like I am able to make posts, add reactions to give steam points, and comment. I just can't vote on skins. So its strange since you are saying it was prominently with workshop items which I still have full access too.