Why does this forum even exist?

[Raptor]

What is there to even discuss about VAC in this forum that is actually helpful to anyone?
If you're innocent, You're screwed.
If you're guilty, You're screwed.
If you got no stake, Why post?
This forum has never been a positive or useful resource.
The best this forum community could possibly hope to achieve would be getting this forum deleted, Because the forum would have accomplished something after all.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

I stand corrected. You said it was either your RAM or a TF2 bot. Neither of which cause a VAC ban. VAC bans are only given for cheating. You can't make up your own reasons.

[Raptor]

First of all does anyone have proof that a ram fault could never result in a VAC ban?
I have experience that an anti-cheat software can react to a ram fault.

Second it was V1 of the TF2 "TF2 Bot Overhaul" mod the allow admin control of the bots on the server that I had installed the day before I was banned.
If it contained a hooked .dll file that gets anyone banned when connecting to an sv_pure enabled server then it hadn't said anything about that on the gamebanana download page.

Thirdly thanks you for correcting yourself.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/647C-5CC1-7EA9-3C29#reason <<<---

Notice that the end of that link says reason?

It leads to this text below:

Can you tell me what program or software caused my VAC ban?
No. We do not disclose the cheats that were detected while connected to a VAC-secured server that resulted in a VAC ban. We have detailed records for each VAC ban, however, releasing this information would only benefit cheat developers. The VAC team regularly investigates claims of false VAC bans to increase the effectiveness of Valve Anti-Cheat.


Cheats being detected, is the only reason for any VAC ban.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Raptor:

First of all does anyone have proof that a ram fault could never result in a VAC ban?
I have experience that an anti-cheat software can react to a ram fault.

Second it was V1 of the TF2 "TF2 Bot Overhaul" mod the allow admin control of the bots on the server that I had installed the day before I was banned.
If it contained a hooked .dll file that gets anyone banned when connecting to an sv_pure enabled server then it hadn't said anything about that on the gamebanana download page.

Thirdly thanks you for correcting yourself.

Let me ask you another question, are you aware that incorrect VAC bans are automatically removed? This means that it requires no human interaction, either by you or Valve. Do you honestly think that it takes VAC 8 years to remove an incorrect ban. Your ban is correct or it would have been automatically removed a long time ago. It will never be removed. You completely wasted your time making and replying to this thread.

Can I appeal my VAC ban?
No. VAC bans cannot be appealed. If a VAC ban is issued incorrectly it will be automatically removed after investigation, but Steam Support does not manually remove VAC bans applied to accounts for any reason.

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/647C-5CC1-7EA9-3C29#appeal

VAC ban are always checked and rechecked and checked and rechecked for accuracy. Your ban is still there because it is correct.

[Raptor]

Demonstrably not true, If something hooks into a core .dll file then you will get VAC banned for cheating even if the modification cannot be construed as a cheat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG6fo34JOAk&t=147s&ab_channel=SuperBunnyhop

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

That video is also irrelevant. Dark souls 2 came out in 2014 and doesn't prove anything about your ban at all.

You really need to stop grasping at straws trying to get the ban removed and you really need to start realizing what permanent means. I'm out. Don't be surprised if this topic gets locked because all you're really doing is trying to get your account unbanned. It has nothing to do with why this forum exists.

[Raptor]

I believe VAC for the older source games has zero human oversight and I see no evidence that VAC for TF2 does anything more than scan for modifications to core files, If you used a robot mouse to cheat in the old source games then VAC will never ban you and I don't think Valve has enough employees to bother investigating player reports.

Haven't people been talking about TF2 being flooded with very complicated cheating bots?
Why has Valve/VAC not prevented or stopped that mess?
Again the question in the OP is what has this forum accomplished that validates its existence?

[Zarineth]

Your OP was answered in 1st post, but you decided to say "but mods should close them" and "there are only 109 games". Cheaters like you spam appeals and it's better to all of it being here, instead of any other, unrelated forum. Mods already work very slow and amount of games is not an argument, considering, that there are sometimes 20-30 "why me banned" threads a day.

Edit:
There were 50 in last 24 hours.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

One last thing. VAC does not ban accounts based on reports either.

How do I report a cheater?
If you believe to have played with or against a cheater, please follow the instructions in the Reporting suspected cheaters help article to report the suspected cheater.

Note: Users are not VAC banned based on reports alone. Other factors are taken into account before VAC bans are issued.

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/571A-97DA-70E9-FF74#reportplayer

[Raptor]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Zarineth:

Your OP was answered in 1st post, but you decided to say "but mods should close them" and "there are only 109 games". Cheaters like you spam appeals and it's better to all of it being here, instead of any other, unrelated forum. Mods already work very slow and amount of games is not an argument, considering, that there are sometimes 20-30 "why me banned" threads a day.

Edit:
There were 50 in last 24 hours.

It's a presumption that this forum has achieved containment of VAC threads and that people who post here would make a noticeable impact when posting elsewhere.
Outside of spam by bot accounts, Mods are slow because they are lazy.
In this thread alone there is clearly plenty of people who engage with the forums constantly and could delete spam topics, Why else are they or you for that matter posting in the VAC containment thread?

Ursprungligen skrivet av C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

One last thing. VAC does not ban accounts based on reports either.

How do I report a cheater?
If you believe to have played with or against a cheater, please follow the instructions in the Reporting suspected cheaters help article to report the suspected cheater.

Note: Users are not VAC banned based on reports alone. Other factors are taken into account before VAC bans are issued.

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/571A-97DA-70E9-FF74#reportplayer

Doesn't VACNET or the new VAC Live not throw a spanner into this?
Valve doesn't divulge any information about how VAC works in order to make it harder for cheaters to circumvent it, Yet divulging that player reports don't factor in to how VAC makes bans doesn't make it easier for cheaters?

[Zarineth]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Raptor:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Zarineth:

Your OP was answered in 1st post, but you decided to say "but mods should close them" and "there are only 109 games". Cheaters like you spam appeals and it's better to all of it being here, instead of any other, unrelated forum. Mods already work very slow and amount of games is not an argument, considering, that there are sometimes 20-30 "why me banned" threads a day.

Edit:
There were 50 in last 24 hours.

It's a presumption that this forum has achieved containment of VAC threads and that people who post here would make a noticeable impact when posting elsewhere.

Most ban appeals are here, so it works pretty well.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Raptor:

Outside of spam by bot accounts, Mods are slow because they are lazy.

And they are outsourced company, who gets tons of reports, both valid and not.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Raptor:

In this thread alone there is clearly plenty of people who engage with the forums constantly and could delete spam topics, Why else are they or you for that matter posting in the VAC containment thread?

How users are supposed to delete spam topics? And considering, that cheaters don't care of reading both official info and other's threads, this threads will continue appear.

[Raptor]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Zarineth:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Raptor:

It's a presumption that this forum has achieved containment of VAC threads and that people who post here would make a noticeable impact when posting elsewhere.

Most ban appeals are here, so it works pretty well.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Raptor:

Outside of spam by bot accounts, Mods are slow because they are lazy.

And they are outsourced company, who gets tons of reports, both valid and not.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Raptor:

In this thread alone there is clearly plenty of people who engage with the forums constantly and could delete spam topics, Why else are they or you for that matter posting in the VAC containment thread?

How users are supposed to delete spam topics? :ConfusedChris: And considering, that cheaters don't care of reading both official info and other's threads, this threads will continue appear.

I believe the numbers are on my side, The number of VAC threads contained here is insignificant in comparison to the number of threads regarding any other topic from all other forums even when excluding actual spam.

Valve could hire people for their community/allow allow those who manage third-party specific community to delegate and oversee a player forum moderators, If Valve already does this then my point about the potential of redundant threads flooding a forum stemming from moderator laziness stands.

[Zarineth]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Raptor:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Zarineth:

Most ban appeals are here, so it works pretty well.

And they are outsourced company, who gets tons of reports, both valid and not.

How users are supposed to delete spam topics? And considering, that cheaters don't care of reading both official info and other's threads, this threads will continue appear.

I believe the numbers are on my side, The number of VAC threads contained here is insignificant in comparison to the number of threads regarding any other topic from all other forums even when excluding actual spam.

If you pit 5 of 50 threads from here to Steam Community, they would become 20% oftheir daily threads. Pretty significant part.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Raptor:

Valve could hire people for their community/allow allow those who manage third-party specific community to delegate and oversee a player forum moderators, If Valve already does this then my point about the potential of redundant threads flooding a forum stemming from moderator laziness stands.

There were volunteer moderators in the past. Valve decided to retire them for whatever reason.

[Raptor]

50 threads daily spread between the 109 games covered by VAC is truly an insignificant number especially considering the more popular the forum the more moderators it should have, Moderators should have no problem keeping spam threads in check unless bots are used but that is not what this forum contains.

[Zarineth]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Raptor:

50 threads daily spread between the 109 games covered by VAC is truly an insignificant number especially considering the more popular the forum the more moderators it should have, Moderators should have no problem keeping spam threads in check unless bots are used but that is not what this forum contains.

Are you aware, that like 50%+ of threads here are cs:go only? So most affected would be cs:go forum and non-game forums.

There is also literally no reason do delete this forum aside of your's "I don't see a reason for it to exist".

Ursprungligen skrivet av Snivy:

Yes and spread out every single "banned for no reason" post over every other forum, instead of having them easily contained here.

Good idea! /s

Ursprungligen skrivet av Abigail From Sneaky Beaky Dept.:

People also come here to learn that
- skin changers are cheats
- the difference between a game ban and a vac ban
- for help with vac errors
- for help when they are being or were scammed from an "incoming vac ban".

These two are valid answers to your OP.

Now I will gladly hear how exactly would you argument deleting this forum.