Question about how Vac works

[SA1L3]

Hello guys,

I have a interesting cuestion.

Can the Vac system save files from my pc to look at It in the Future to search Future unknow cheats or Its scan on live and if doesnt detect nothing they do not store any information (signatures or files for example)?

Just curiosity, im clean guys.

Cheers!

[Silicon Vampire]

Valve isn't going to tell you that. I suspect it is true though. Who knows how long they retain possible cheat data, until it is found to actually be a cheat which then a whole bunch of accounts get banned. This is only my opinion on how it works but I've been here a while...

[SA1L3]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Silicon Vampire:

Valve isn't going to tell you that. I suspect it is true though. Who knows how long they retain possible cheat data, until it is found to actually be a cheat which then a whole bunch of accounts get banned. This is only my opinion on how it works but I've been here a while...

But in the privacity policy agreement i did not Accept that. They can scan but not save files. I guess.

[Commander Makara]

VAC does not upload files from your device.
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Valve collect certain data that is required for detection, investigation and prevention of fraud, cheating and other violations of the SSA and applicable laws ("Violations"). This data is used only for the purposes of detection, investigation, prevention and, where applicable, acting on of such Violations and stored only for the minimum amount of time needed for this purpose..... Please note that the specific data stored for this purpose may not be disclosed to you if the disclosure will compromise the mechanism through which we[Valve] detect, investigate and prevent such Violations.
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The key here is "minimum amount of time needed for this purpose", there is potentially an argument that elements of a suspicious processes hooking into the VAC-secured process/VAC/Steam could be retained and analysed until such time that multiple such occurrences are identified unambiguously with a specific cheat and therefore this justifies the retention.

[SpeedFreak1972]

Yea I suspect they have not only looked at those things by a technical team, but also by a legal team.

[SA1L3]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Commander Makara:

VAC does not upload files from your device.
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Valve collect certain data that is required for detection, investigation and prevention of fraud, cheating and other violations of the SSA and applicable laws ("Violations"). This data is used only for the purposes of detection, investigation, prevention and, where applicable, acting on of such Violations and stored only for the minimum amount of time needed for this purpose..... Please note that the specific data stored for this purpose may not be disclosed to you if the disclosure will compromise the mechanism through which we[Valve] detect, investigate and prevent such Violations.
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The key here is "minimum amount of time needed for this purpose", there is potentially an argument that elements of a suspicious processes hooking into the VAC-secured process/VAC/Steam could be retained and analysed until such time that multiple such occurrences are identified unambiguously with a specific cheat and therefore this justifies the retention.

Its really interesting, how much could be that time? Hours? Weeks? Years?

[OPA]

I think that's also a matter of interpretation and Valve won't commit itself here.



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Greeting silicone vampire, nice that you're still here.

[HikariLight]

Ursprungligen skrivet av SA1L3:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Commander Makara:

VAC does not upload files from your device.
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Valve collect certain data that is required for detection, investigation and prevention of fraud, cheating and other violations of the SSA and applicable laws ("Violations"). This data is used only for the purposes of detection, investigation, prevention and, where applicable, acting on of such Violations and stored only for the minimum amount of time needed for this purpose..... Please note that the specific data stored for this purpose may not be disclosed to you if the disclosure will compromise the mechanism through which we[Valve] detect, investigate and prevent such Violations.
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The key here is "minimum amount of time needed for this purpose", there is potentially an argument that elements of a suspicious processes hooking into the VAC-secured process/VAC/Steam could be retained and analysed until such time that multiple such occurrences are identified unambiguously with a specific cheat and therefore this justifies the retention.

Its really interesting, how much could be that time? Hours? Weeks? Years?

If your not cheating, why worry?
Only those with something to hide would be worried.
Also this only looks at the game files.

[SA1L3]

Ursprungligen skrivet av HikariLight:

Ursprungligen skrivet av SA1L3:

Its really interesting, how much could be that time? Hours? Weeks? Years?

If your not cheating, why worry?
Only those with something to hide would be worried.
Also this only looks at the game files.

Im not worryied, just curiosity of how they use our data

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Ursprungligen skrivet av SA1L3:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Silicon Vampire:

Valve isn't going to tell you that. I suspect it is true though. Who knows how long they retain possible cheat data, until it is found to actually be a cheat which then a whole bunch of accounts get banned. This is only my opinion on how it works but I've been here a while...

But in the privacity policy agreement i did not Accept that. They can scan but not save files. I guess.

They can definitely save and archive the files detected as cheats.

[SA1L3]

Ursprungligen skrivet av cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Ursprungligen skrivet av SA1L3:

But in the privacity policy agreement i did not Accept that. They can scan but not save files. I guess.

They can definitely save and archive the files detected as cheats.

:qr:

My question is no about files detected, my question is if the save files to scan in the Future

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Ursprungligen skrivet av SA1L3:

Ursprungligen skrivet av cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

They can definitely save and archive the files detected as cheats.

My question is no about files detected, my question is if the save files to scan in the Future

Yes, they rescan the files that were saved in case it was falsely detected. How else are they supposed to undo false bans?

This is how all anti-cheats go back and undo false bans.

Let's make this clear... They are not saving all your files they scanned. Only the ones that triggered the anti-cheat.

[SA1L3]

Ursprungligen skrivet av cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Ursprungligen skrivet av SA1L3:

My question is no about files detected, my question is if the save files to scan in the Future

Yes, they rescan the files that were saved in case it was falsely detected. How else are they supposed to undo false bans?

This is how all anti-cheats go back and undo false bans.

Let's make this clear... They are not saving all your files they scanned. Only the ones that triggered the anti-cheat.

:qr:

And how many time they save that files? Do they delete that files if you are clear?

[Hammer Of Evil]

my opinion is that if you're worried about your privacy, you should stop using an application with a kernel level anti cheat, despite which one it can be.

valve cannot release details about vac in any circumstance, because the cheat maker will learn how to make a better cheat.

you can read such details of this in the end user agreement for the anti cheat, it does detail user privacy. i am not going to read it for you! lol.

i think its ok to trade some privacy to have a fair game online, because of how many idiots select to cheat, because they are terrible at the game.

[SA1L3]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Hammer Of Evil:

my opinion is that if you're worried about your privacy, you should stop using an application with a kernel level anti cheat, despite which one it can be.

valve cannot release details about vac in any circumstance, because the cheat maker will learn how to make a better cheat.

you can read such details of this in the end user agreement for the anti cheat, it does detail user privacy. i am not going to read it for you! lol.

i think its ok to trade some privacy to have a fair game online, because of how many idiots select to cheat, because they are terrible at the game.

I agree with you brother

Have a nice day.