Will a VAC ban ever end?

[Fluffy!]

Hi, my friend got VAC banned a year ago for not even cheating, it was a program for his pc, anyways, I know VAC bans are permanent, but is there any chance, any! that a VAC ban will expire? Cuz i think that everyone should get a second chance, just to proof that they learned something with that ban

[Pscht]

A) No, it will never end
B) You don't know what your friend did, you aren't glued to him 24/7
C) Second chances were tried, people didn't learn a thing

[Hammer Of Evil]

Originally posted by Fluffy™:

Hi, my friend got VAC banned a year ago for not even cheating, it was a program for his pc, anyways, I know VAC bans are permanent, but is there any chance, any! that a VAC ban will expire? Cuz i think that everyone should get a second chance, just to proof that they learned something with that ban

NO. there is no 'not even cheating' - your friend was caught cheating. vac does not activate for 'not even cheating' =p

VAC ban readme

a vac ban will never end.

i believe after ~7 years, the hat of shame will be off his account, but he will still be banned from any vac-secure server.

I believe when steam was just starting, they (valve) shared your thoughts 'perhaps they will be reformed' but data quickly showed that they would always reoffend. so, to keep the system simple, the bans are forever.

I personally believe no cheater should ever participate again. This is something that should have entered their critical thinking steps before activating cheats online, imo.

[Thermal Lance]

Yes. It will end the day you will create a new account to play on. There is no end to VAC.

[Fluffy!]

Originally posted by Pscht:

A) No, it will never end
B) You don't know what your friend did, you aren't glued to him 24/7
C) Second chances were tried, people didn't learn a thing

The thing is, i lived with him, in the same house, we played the same time all day, then he got banned, i checked his pc, i know what got him banned, but it was not cheats, and the thing with second chances, if u ever get VAC banned, i think it should end after maybe a year, but the acc may have a little lower trust, people can change

[FFL2and3rocks]

They already tried temporary VAC bans. Most people started cheating again as soon as their ban ended.

[Fluffy!]

Originally posted by FFL2and3rocks:

They already tried temporary VAC bans. Most people started cheating again as soon as their ban ended.

I know, but i dont see whats so fun with cheating, its embarrassing

[Pscht]

It's not your account, so it's also not your problem. Tell him to make a new one.

[Fluffy!]

Originally posted by Pscht:

It's not your account, so it's also not your problem. Tell him to make a new one.

True,

[BJWyler]

Originally posted by Fluffy™:

Originally posted by FFL2and3rocks:

They already tried temporary VAC bans. Most people started cheating again as soon as their ban ended.

I know, but i dont see whats so fun with cheating, its embarrassing

And yet, cheating is a constant problem, in every multi-player game in existence.

[Ettanin]

Originally posted by BJWyler:

And yet, cheating is a constant problem, in every multi-player game in existence.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/9/4846392474904201492/#c4846392474904308685

Originally posted by Silicon Vampire, former Steam moderator:

#FixSociety

Until you eradicate the human predilection to gain any advantage at any cost, there will always be cheaters, liars and thieves.

Cheating and catching cheaters in any online game is always a game of cat and mouse that never ends.

[Purple Monkey]

Originally posted by Fluffy™:

know VAC bans are permanent, but is there any chance, any! that a VAC ban will expire?

So you don't know what permanent means, then. That seems to be the issue.

[Fluffy!]

Originally posted by Purple Monkey:

Originally posted by Fluffy™:

know VAC bans are permanent, but is there any chance, any! that a VAC ban will expire?

So you don't know what permanent means, then. That seems to be the issue.

Well, ofc i know what it means, but I think that it should expire after a few years

[Pscht]

Not it should not. Bans don't appear by accident. Someone cheated, ruining the fun for other players.

Also, again: NOT your account, NOT your problem. Unless you are your "friend" on another account. In that case: Ban is permanent, stop asking.

[Snaggle]

Originally posted by Fluffy™:

i know what got him banned, but it was not cheats

How do you know what got him banned? VAC doesn't tell you. What was the "something for his PC" you think got him banned?

[Purple Monkey]

Originally posted by Fluffy™:

Originally posted by Purple Monkey:

So you don't know what permanent means, then. That seems to be the issue.

Well, ofc i know what it means, but I think that it should expire after a few years

Then it wouldn't be permanent. That's what the frigging word means. JFC.