Sovietball 2019 年 12 月 14 日 下午 2:55
What do you guys think about the effectiveness of VAC against other AC's?
You'll often see people complaining that VAC is useless, worse than every other anti cheat etc etc which is why my big question is really what do you think about this? I'm aware of the delayed ban feature, but I'm also curious as to how VAC nowadays compares to other games anti cheats.
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cSg|mc-Hotsauce 2019 年 12 月 14 日 下午 2:56 
VAC has far less false bans.

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C²C^Guyver |NZB| 2019 年 12 月 14 日 下午 3:00 
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✪𝐇𝓊Ⓢ𝓪Ⓡ𝐙۞ 2019 年 12 月 14 日 下午 3:59 
PROBLEM WITH CHEATERS! IDEA THAT COULD HELP?
Cheaters there are more and more of them and they don't even hide and they are laughing in the face because I watch every delinquent I've reported and they are still not banned. This whole VAC doesn't work well too slowly if it works at all...Too much time is allowed to cheat cheaters because many cheated people are so frustrated that they start cheating themselves, which gives us the effect that we unfortunately experience. VALVE needs reform. I feel cheated in the game and by those who sell it. Players invest in a small amount of money and deserve fair competition.
It would be good to speed it up, namely that I could send demos to judgment somewhere that would be assessed faster than this funny vac system. Special site where judges from overwatch would rate a demo. It is known that this idea could be improved somehow but wake up Vave! There is no blind insist on the current operation of VAC... We players want the fair competition we deserve because that's why we spent the money.
Wock73 2019 年 12 月 14 日 下午 4:03 
PROBLEM WITH CHEATERS! IDEA THAT COULD HELP?
Cheaters there are more and more of them and they don't even hide and they are laughing in the face because I watch every delinquent I've reported and they are still not banned. This whole VAC doesn't work well too slowly if it works at all...Too much time is allowed to cheat cheaters because many cheated people are so frustrated that they start cheating themselves, which gives us the effect that we unfortunately experience. VALVE needs reform. I feel cheated in the game and by those who sell it. Players invest in a small amount of money and deserve fair competition.
It would be good to speed it up, namely that I could send demos to judgment somewhere that would be assessed faster than this funny vac system. Special site where judges from overwatch would rate a demo. It is known that this idea could be improved somehow but wake up Vave! There is no blind insist on the current operation of VAC... We players want the fair competition we deserve because that's why we spent the money.




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C²C^Guyver |NZB| 2019 年 12 月 14 日 下午 4:04 
PROBLEM WITH CHEATERS! IDEA THAT COULD HELP?
Cheaters there are more and more of them and they don't even hide and they are laughing in the face because I watch every delinquent I've reported and they are still not banned. This whole VAC doesn't work well too slowly if it works at all...Too much time is allowed to cheat cheaters because many cheated people are so frustrated that they start cheating themselves, which gives us the effect that we unfortunately experience. VALVE needs reform. I feel cheated in the game and by those who sell it. Players invest in a small amount of money and deserve fair competition.
It would be good to speed it up, namely that I could send demos to judgment somewhere that would be assessed faster than this funny vac system. Special site where judges from overwatch would rate a demo. It is known that this idea could be improved somehow but wake up Vave! There is no blind insist on the current operation of VAC... We players want the fair competition we deserve because that's why we spent the money.
Your idea has been suggested....for years ....and it's a bad one.


Instant bans lead to undetectable cheats.
Commander Makara 2019 年 12 月 14 日 下午 4:08 
引用自 Sovietball
You'll often see people complaining that VAC is useless, worse than every other anti cheat etc etc which is why my big question is really what do you think about this? I'm aware of the delayed ban feature, but I'm also curious as to how VAC nowadays compares to other games anti cheats.

VAC does what it is intended to do. Therefore, it's doing just great.
Other anticheat solutions are also performing to their specification.

There's little for direct comparison since they typically operate in different means to different ends with different criteria in different environments.

Please check my post history for recent post where I gave some comment concerning attempts to compare VAC and the likes of ESEA and FACEIT (I'm not willing to rewrite the whole thing) but generally there are plenty of circumstantial and practical reasons why the systems are different.

Given the number of Steam users on VAC-secured games, the accessibility of VAC within Steamworks, the reliability rate of VAC (particularly given its permanent ban policy) and the challenge faced by valve against the propaganda, social engineering and rapid turnaround posed by the cheat developers, VAC (in entirety, supported by OW, VACNet and the Steam community policies) has been one of the most successful and clever anti-cheat solutions in terms of tackling the issues at heart undermining the cheat-industry.
Commander Makara 2019 年 12 月 14 日 下午 4:12 
PROBLEM WITH CHEATERS! IDEA THAT COULD HELP?
Cheaters there are more and more of them and they don't even hide and they are laughing in the face because I watch every delinquent I've reported and they are still not banned. This whole VAC doesn't work well too slowly if it works at all...Too much time is allowed to cheat cheaters because many cheated people are so frustrated that they start cheating themselves, which gives us the effect that we unfortunately experience. VALVE needs reform. I feel cheated in the game and by those who sell it. Players invest in a small amount of money and deserve fair competition.
It would be good to speed it up, namely that I could send demos to judgment somewhere that would be assessed faster than this funny vac system. Special site where judges from overwatch would rate a demo. It is known that this idea could be improved somehow but wake up Vave! There is no blind insist on the current operation of VAC... We players want the fair competition we deserve because that's why we spent the money.
Remember cheating is a societal issue, it is society's responsibility to fix. If you feel cheated, blame the cheats, not Valve.
Zireth 2019 年 12 月 14 日 下午 8:08 
I've experienced both VAC and an IP banning system.

VAC seems rather slow but it is almost never wrong.

Although the ip banning system has user based bans and SMAC, it helps keep cheaters banned while only compromising certain people getting banned for playing in public IPs already banned.

Both have flaws but i can say, vac is pretty damn effective paired with a user based anti cheat, so either time or multiple reports will get them. We need more CSGO approaches to anti cheat.
Wock73 2019 年 12 月 14 日 下午 10:32 
引用自 Ren
Although the ip banning system has user based bans and SMAC, it helps keep cheaters banned while only compromising certain people getting banned for playing in public IPs already banned.....

And this is why that will never happen, honest people getting bans because of someone with the skill set to use someone else’s IP

Also......


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C²C^Guyver |NZB| 2019 年 12 月 14 日 下午 10:56 
...not only before, but many, many, many times before.
XXX 2019 年 12 月 15 日 上午 12:30 
引用自 Ren
I've experienced both VAC and an IP banning system.

VAC seems rather slow but it is almost never wrong.

Seems like you know nothing about vac. Its not slow, its delayed.

Houston Outlawed 2019 年 12 月 15 日 上午 12:35 
引用自 XXX
Seems like you know nothing about vac. Its not slow, its delayed.
There is a difference between the two and there is nothing really wrong about saying VAC is slow because compared to other anti-cheats, it sort of is.
Commander Makara 2019 年 12 月 15 日 上午 12:42 
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引用自 XXX
Seems like you know nothing about vac. Its not slow, its delayed.
There is a difference between the two and there is nothing really wrong about saying VAC is slow because compared to other anti-cheats, it sort of is.
Which is to its advantage in undermining the cheat industry at its core foundation business level and netting a large number of cheats under their false sense of security.
Houston Outlawed 2019 年 12 月 15 日 上午 12:45 
引用自 Commander Makara
Which is to its advantage in undermining the cheat industry at its core foundation business level and netting a large number of cheats under their false sense of security.
To clarify, I understand the need for and the reasoning of the delayed bans and for that I have no problems. Delayed bans are good.

The slow part refers to the actual detection of cheats, not the delayed banning. And while yes I fully understand that due to the restrictions of the VAC system that it cannot be as aggressive as other anti-cheats that this is also a big downside for it. A lot of cheats have gone extremely long periods of times before even being detected whereas other anti-cheats are able to be more consistent with the detection of cheats.
Commander Makara 2019 年 12 月 15 日 上午 12:49 
引用自 vbtbot1
The slow part refers to the actual detection of cheats, not the delayed banning.
What sources do you have for the speed at which cheats are detected?
This is typically obfscated by the delayed bans, and again, is the relevance of the delay. If it were possible to identify when the cheats are detected, it woudl defeat the point of the delayed bans and they would not be an implemented feature and the effectiveness and advantage of VAC would be negated.

A lot of cheats have gone extremely long periods of times before even being detected
Again, on what are you basing this claim?
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