Falsely VAC Banned

[Badger]

omfg I'm freaking out right now. recently I've been trying to mod the game and was figuring out some values for the game while playing with a friend on a local server. i do admit I was using a program to find those values but I was never cheating. please. i don't want to lose this account to a VAC ban. please please please. I've spent years and SO much money on this account. please don't do this to me. I've never cheated ever before. Please I really don't want to lose this account. It's worth so much money to me. I'm on the verge of crying. I've spent so many hours working a minimum wage job saving up for my computer parts and all my games. I don't want to have this blemish on my account. I play CS:GO competitively all the time and i don't want to lose that privilege. I was NEVER cheating. this is a false ban.



Please is there anyone out there who can help me. I know they say that there is a zero tolerance rule but this is a FALSE BAN. PLEASE

https://m.imgur.com/Vy6CdZa

[wicked]

He couldve cheated in the clicker game hes playing and forgot the cheat open

Idk why people think VAC never gets anything wrong

[myljach twitch]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blaquicat:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von myljach:

Cheat engine no need be created only for cheating in game, program may be developed and behave just like virus, with tendention to steal data, or may in installed game change core files, that VAC system recognize as cheat.
In this forum https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/9/ you may find lot of advice's to cheaters, if they want play, best is reformat PC,fresh install (lot people dont know how to use regedit, msconfig, gpedit.msc) operating system, and then play.
Cheat engine may be opened in background of machine from previous user in cyber cafe.

You actually need to open the cheat engine an inject inside the game changing something, you can scan the game memory with no big deal, injections trigger vac bans..
I used to have cheat engine running all the time back in the day..

Those who claim that CE triggered a vac ban just because its open are liars, or they dont know what exactly triggered the ban.

VAC works by checking the program signatures of running processes. This works best for detecting external (.exe cheats that run the whole time you wish to be cheating) as they are easier to find. VAC then checks the program signatures (a unique identifier given to programs during their compiling that is based on their source code) and if they match the signatures of a currently known (detected) cheat, VAC will start a delayed VAC ban. If the signatures for the cheat are unknown, it will (99.99% of the time) be ignored completely.

Edit: you described one segment how VAC works, more info here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valve_Anti-Cheat

[Blaquicat]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von myljach:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blaquicat:

You actually need to open the cheat engine an inject inside the game changing something, you can scan the game memory with no big deal, injections trigger vac bans..
I used to have cheat engine running all the time back in the day..

Those who claim that CE triggered a vac ban just because its open are liars, or they dont know what exactly triggered the ban.

VAC works by checking the program signatures of running processes. This works best for detecting external (.exe cheats that run the whole time you wish to be cheating) as they are easier to find. VAC then checks the program signatures (a unique identifier given to programs during their compiling that is based on their source code) and if they match the signatures of a currently known (detected) cheat, VAC will start a delayed VAC ban. If the signatures for the cheat are unknown, it will (99.99% of the time) be ignored completely.

VAC does not scan your computer, to do that, it would need to install something on your computer, like SXE or EAC, or any other external anti-cheat.

As far as i know, all VAC does is compare checksums(*probably an exclusive hash generator kind), as you inject on the game (or game files) you change that file hash* which VAC can detect.
Program signature = hash.

[Blaquicat]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von myljach:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valve_Anti-Cheat

I like to stick with official sources..
https://support.steampowered.com/kb/7849-RADZ-6869/valve-anti-cheat-system-vac
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/9/882959527688934488/

[myljach twitch]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blaquicat:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von myljach:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valve_Anti-Cheat

I like to stick with official sources..
https://support.steampowered.com/kb/7849-RADZ-6869/valve-anti-cheat-system-vac
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/9/882959527688934488/

True, but there is not written details -how VAC system work- and you just lead discussion in that direction. In my past posts i already provide same official links of valve
I think VAC dont scan hard drive ( i remember how time was need for kaspersky deep scan old time in win98) but may check memory, exe files, processes and other i mention in my post

[Ω Spriggan Ω]

you've spent alot of money on that account,
an acutal human worker should dig into it and see the reason why isntead of a bot.
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a bot is fine for one of those awful script kiddines using LMAO box haxx in TF2 creating a new throwaway account for a cheap kick.
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but an account with that much money poured into it with the long life of the account and all its items should have a human look into it.
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i remember a friend of mine was banned off one of the call of duty black ops for using a wide screen program. :) a real shame the dude was man fun to play with and he was devastated he hasn't signed into steam since. i miss him.
.
i know it doesn't mean much but its always nice to have someone wishing you well.
i do hope it gets removed i know the CSGO scene is pretty.......intense and i can easily hazard a guess none of them will look at you with that on your account.

[Blaquicat]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von myljach:

True, but there is not written details -how VAC system work- and you just lead discussion in that direction. In my past posts i already provide same official links of valve
I think VAC dont scan hard drive ( i remember how time was need for kaspersky deep scan old time in win98) but may check memory, exe files, processes and other i mention in my post

Think about it for a sec, the game use up to 1gb of your memory, how is possible that you send those 1gb using the internet to the VAC (you have to send it, theres nothing installed on your system regarding VAC to scan the files)

What i said is my theory, no one really knows, all we know is this:

The VAC system reliably detects cheats using their cheat signatures

The only reliable way to do it is using Hash, servers can check that on connected clients, and servers are connected to VAC, the bridge already exists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_function
Give a special attention to Hash Table. (VAC database)

[$pirit]

You know, aimbots il l4d2 should be allowed. I've completely destroyed aimboters regularly.

Coop modes, who cares- you're not cheating against players.

Versus aimbots give nothing to the infected side and ligitbots tend to suck for survivor's they get confused by commons. And the full blown rabebot is to obvious, anyone using one will either get instantly kicked or its just halarious playing against them.

Good players out proform hacks every time.

[pups]

Isn't VAC off on local servers? so hes lying.

[Badger]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von AustrAlien2010:

Stop fumbling around with creating topics on the L4D2 forums regarding your VAC ban. It´s a waste of your efforts.
No one here can help you.

Look in these forums instead:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/9/

Not my fault this thing is still alive after almost 3 days. It's the only one I've posted in this forum

[Badger]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ThoRn:

"STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM!!!" - ES Oblivion Guard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCsMKypvmB0

Wear your VAC branding with pride! They used to make people wear scarlet letters "A" for the other kind of cheating. Steam has become 'The Church.' Now, bow down and pray to your Steam overlords and beg for repentance you filthy heathen!

"SHAME, SHAME, SHAME!!!" - Game of Thrones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrDSqODtEFM


(Obvious Sarcasm)

I do think Valve should let those who've been VAC banned pay a fine to remove the VAC ban and the more VAC bans you get the more expensive it gets to remove them. Like first VAC ban costs $10 to remove. 2nd cost $20. 3rd costs $50. 4th costs $100. 5th costs $250 and so forth. This would deter cheaters and make a profit for Valve by those cheaters who've got the coin to pay their way out of punishment, like in real life the way the rich already do.

Even though I didn't cheat I would pay 100+ just to get it removed. I also think that VACs should be removed after some time. Not anything soon but like a couple years or so. Why punish someone for life

[Shae ☥]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Badger Scrub:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ThoRn:

"STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM!!!" - ES Oblivion Guard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCsMKypvmB0

Wear your VAC branding with pride! They used to make people wear scarlet letters "A" for the other kind of cheating. Steam has become 'The Church.' Now, bow down and pray to your Steam overlords and beg for repentance you filthy heathen!

"SHAME, SHAME, SHAME!!!" - Game of Thrones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrDSqODtEFM


(Obvious Sarcasm)

I do think Valve should let those who've been VAC banned pay a fine to remove the VAC ban and the more VAC bans you get the more expensive it gets to remove them. Like first VAC ban costs $10 to remove. 2nd cost $20. 3rd costs $50. 4th costs $100. 5th costs $250 and so forth. This would deter cheaters and make a profit for Valve by those cheaters who've got the coin to pay their way out of punishment, like in real life the way the rich already do.

Even though I didn't cheat I would pay 100+ just to get it removed. I also think that VACs should be removed after some time. Not anything soon but like a couple years or so. Why punish someone for life

Because the player exploited the game by hacking and ruining other players fun in games, it should stay there so others know this player has had or still has a history of hacking games. Its like if you were to assault someone and you get charged for it and have it kept on your record, its so the police know you've had a history of violence against others.

[myljach twitch]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Blaquicat:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von myljach:

True, but there is not written details -how VAC system work- and you just lead discussion in that direction. In my past posts i already provide same official links of valve
I think VAC dont scan hard drive ( i remember how time was need for kaspersky deep scan old time in win98) but may check memory, exe files, processes and other i mention in my post

Think about it for a sec, the game use up to 1gb of your memory, how is possible that you send those 1gb using the internet to the VAC (you have to send it, theres nothing installed on your system regarding VAC to scan the files)

What i said is my theory, no one really knows, all we know is this:

The VAC system reliably detects cheats using their cheat signatures

The only reliable way to do it is using Hash, servers can check that on connected clients, and servers are connected to VAC, the bridge already exists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_function
Give a special attention to Hash Table. (VAC database)

Well, i know we last posts speak booth theoretically, reason is - VAC is not clear at all how really works ( to better prevent cheat developers in their work) and my link wiki i take with reserved, but may give good ideas for expand logic.
My theory is about scan memory, that doing some kernel file installed in steam client, and that is why 1 Gb of data is not sent over internet to VAC on server side to check. And if something (3th party program, CE, script) try change settings stored in boot of steam client (Kernel integrity checks, kernel debugging, and Data Execution Prevention) player will have VAC error. (reason why cheat developers simply not disable default values in CE, and disable kernel from scan that way)

[myljach twitch]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von puppy bear:

Isn't VAC off on local servers? so hes lying.

yes, VAC is not present on local servers. From OP story i think he try something to do in local servers, possible use CE to see "values" of something (instead may read https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/List_of_L4D2_Cvars) and in some circumstances (forget close CE, something stay live in RAM, script send request to change core files, etc) and connect to VALVE protected servers and get burn.

[Badger]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von myljach:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von puppy bear:

Isn't VAC off on local servers? so hes lying.

yes, VAC is not present on local servers. From OP story i think he try something to do in local servers, possible use CE to see "values" of something (instead may read https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/List_of_L4D2_Cvars) and in some circumstances (forget close CE, something stay live in RAM, script send request to change core files, etc) and connect to VALVE protected servers and get burn.

It's on in local servers. I just had completely forgot about -insecure mode. some mods for CS:GO require you to be in that mode if you want to play them. especially if online with friends.