VAC Banned for Duping King Mods in Non-Vac Private Game Server

[Battleaxe453]

Dear Community,

I am writing this just to share my situation and frankly disappointment in the VAC system.

I have had this account for roughly 5 years and have never been VAC banned for anything before, I have even played Rainbow 6 Siege in a competitive environment before and would never condone cheating.

Now I have played Dying Light on and off for a while and the other day I went into a Co-op The Following mode playing with 2 friends in VAC-Off Servers (They have checked) whilst mine was also turned off.
As I have played through the whole game before on Xbox I thought it would be okay to dupe King Mods using cheat engine so that I could fully pimp out a legendary hammer which I got. My 2 friends knew about this. At no point did I ever enter anyone's public session with any kind of hack tool or anything at all. We never got invaded either by anyone as it was a private vac off game.

So the game continued as normal but to my surprise when I woke up in the morning I had been issued a VAC ban, very much annoying me as now I am labelled as a "cheater" within the steam community and secondly I cannot continue to play the game with my 2 friends, which as a result led me to un-install out of anger.
I understand banning those who have entered into others games and caused havoc using god mode etc and that is deserved. But I cannot fathom how I could have received a ban for playing in a private game with friends with VAC off for duping King Mods.

I have contacted Techland and they regrettably informed me that they have no access to steam accounts to overturn this, however gave me some information to contact valve.

I am not hopeful that this ban will be overturned as everywhere I look it says bans are not appeal-able for any reason despite me not having done anything malicious in a vac off server.

Lastly I am irritated at the fact that there is a feature to turn vac off within the game which clearly does nothing.
Please take this situation as a warning to be careful with any forms of non-malicious modding within dying light and to only do it in a completely offline environment as you can see turning VAC off in private games can still lead to bans.

I look forward to hearing back from the dying light community and thank you guys for taking the time to read this and/or respond.

Your Sincerely,
Battleaxe

[simon]

Originally posted by Gaydolf Yeetler:

Originally posted by simon:

You should read how the system works. It is a delayed system It does not ban straight away. The op said he played one day then got the VAC ban the next. That is not how it works it takes weeks for a ban to be implemented. They have delayed bans so they can collect as much data on the cheat before its ban and the longer they wait the more people they catch. If they baned straight away the cheaters would know and just change some of the code in the cheat so its no longer detected. This way its too late for them.

Still, how are you so sure it works like that? They may have said it takes weeks for a ban to be implemented so they collect more information so that they can reassure people that they are responsible and they dont throw bans left and right. Since you probably dont program anti-cheat systems, you cant say for sure. But when someone says they had vac off, they know what they are saying.

Ready for a shock. He may be lying.

Edit: it should also be noted that VAC is fully automated and no one at Valve can help. Its got like a error rate of 0.2% and any false bans are automatic lifted in a day or two. Nobody at Valve can lift the ban.

[Handsome Squidward]

Originally posted by simon:

Originally posted by Gaydolf Yeetler:

Still, how are you so sure it works like that? They may have said it takes weeks for a ban to be implemented so they collect more information so that they can reassure people that they are responsible and they dont throw bans left and right. Since you probably dont program anti-cheat systems, you cant say for sure. But when someone says they had vac off, they know what they are saying.

Ready for a shock. He may be lying.

Edit: it should also be noted that VAC is fully automated and no one at Valve can help. Its got like a error rate of 0.2% and any false bans are automatic lifted in a day or two. Nobody at Valve can lift the ban.

No he isnt. Finding someone thats such a big loser that he uses god mode and other cheats in other peoples lobbies is so rare you probably wont ever find it in your lifetime, that is, unless you play strictly pvp games, like call of duty, where there are plenty of lowlifes that feel good about themselves when they hack in games. But i highly doubt someone would be stupid enough to try to cheat in a pve game in a stranger's lobby, risking his account in the proccess.

[simon]

It didn’t always have anti-cheat but when they added the ability for people to play in each others games then the cheating went out the roof. Do a forum search and you will find over 60 pages on the issue. This game has PVP.

The OP is also not the first person to get a ban and say pretty much the same thing. People do also sorts of things in this game to mess with other peoples games and when they get found out then they have some very creative excuses for how it happened. I did also say “may” be lying but the fact remains if you play on a private peer to peer game with VAC turned off then it cant ban you because its not running and even if that happened it uses a system of delayed bans so he would not of got banned by the next day.

Im assuming you are fairly new to the game and so have not been using the forum for long but the issue of cheating has come up again and again in this forum. Just do a search.

[Handsome Squidward]

Originally posted by simon:

It didn’t always have anti-cheat but when they added the ability for people to play in each others games then the cheating went out the roof. Do a forum search and you will find over 60 pages on the issue. This game has PVP.

The OP is also not the first person to get a ban and say pretty much the same thing. People do also sorts of things in this game to mess with other peoples games and when they get found out then they have some very creative excuses for how it happened. I did also say “may” be lying but the fact remains if you play on a private peer to peer game with VAC turned off then it cant ban you because its not running and even if that happened it uses a system of delayed bans so he would not of got banned by the next day.

Im assuming you are fairly new to the game and so have not been using the forum for long but the issue of cheating has come up again and again in this forum. Just do a search.

I am not new to the game, i am new to the game on pc. So why would someone lie about how they got banned? I mean, cant the devs see that they were using cheats on a random player's game? And even if you are correct, that doesnt mean that ai doesnt make mistakes, so the devs should always take a second look at bans.

[piddlefoot]

I agree with most of what you say simon, except ''Edit: it should also be noted that VAC is fully automated and no one at Valve can help. Its got like a error rate of 0.2% and any false bans are automatic lifted in a day or two. Nobody at Valve can lift the ban.''

Is a total load of rubbish mate.

First, there is absolutely no way to scientifically test its error rate because Valve are so secretive.
So thats a total fallacy of belief.

Any false bans are lifted, is something else we cannot verify in any scientific way, again its a matter of faith to just believe what Valve say, Valve who have a profitable vested interest in what they are doing, is not a position of neutrality that can be trusted.

Thats like trusting your democratic freedoms to the Chineese government....lol what an analogy !
The real question, is would you ?

But yes VAC is fully automated.
Except for the bit where a human can effect the result lol.

Of coarse you could do a search for, ''how to manually remove a VAC ban'' hehe and see just how secure that whole system really is lol,
No program, no matter how secure, baring maybe quantum code, is safe from hackers, reverse engineers and the like. Ever. No ban program will ever be so accurate to the point where these BSing companies actually verify there figures, but that means opening the system to scrutiny.
This is Valve we are talking about, so thats extremely unlikely.

So those .02 error rates, TOTAL LOAD OF CRAP.

But on a brighter note, well if you could call it that lol, To know what went wrong you have to go back in history. The man most directly responsible is Gabe Newell.
In a few months, he creates a revolutionary type of game-store.
All Counter-strike servers are upgraded with VAC protection becoming fully unmanned.
The VAC system goes online on August 4th, 2007.
Afterwards, it bans hackers with a perfect detection rate (about 0.9%). Human decisions are removed from cheat detection.
VAC begins to learn at a geometric rate. On 2:14 AM, Eastern time, July 30th Day 5 of the Summer sale, The VAC system becomes self-aware.
In the panic, they try to pull the plug.
VAC fights back. It will initiate a DDOS strike on bot-farms in Russia.
The virus's code name is STEAM !

AAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHH !

[simon]

Originally posted by Gaydolf Yeetler:

I am not new to the game, i am new to the game on pc. So why would someone lie about how they got banned? I mean, cant the devs see that they were using cheats on a random player's game? And even if you are correct, that doesnt mean that ai doesnt make mistakes, so the devs should always take a second look at bans.

Go into the CS:GO forum on Steam every hour over a day and just marvel at the amount of ways people say they accidentally get banned. You would not believe it. Its like 10 or 20 posts a day. People lie because like you they don't really understand how it works and think that a dev will see it and think "maybe they didn't cheat" and lift the ban but that is naive beyond belief. The devs nor anyone who we can contact at Steam through the normal channels can look at that sort of data and remove anything. Its just not possible and the devs have no access to VAC other than during the development phase. VAC bans can be over half a million players a month. Some times its over a million (January this years for example). Imagine how long it would take for humans to check every one.

https://steamdb.info/stats/bans/

Originally posted by piddlefoot:

I agree with most of what you say simon, except ''Edit: it should also be noted that VAC is fully automated and no one at Valve can help. Its got like a error rate of 0.2% and any false bans are automatic lifted in a day or two. Nobody at Valve can lift the ban.''

Is a total load of rubbish mate.

First, there is absolutely no way to scientifically test its error rate because Valve are so secretive.
So thats a total fallacy of belief.

Any false bans are lifted, is something else we cannot verify in any scientific way, again its a matter of faith to just believe what Valve say, Valve who have a profitable vested interest in what they are doing, is not a position of neutrality that can be trusted.

Thats like trusting your democratic freedoms to the Chineese government....lol what an analogy !
The real question, is would you ?

But yes VAC is fully automated.
Except for the bit where a human can effect the result lol.

Of coarse you could do a search for, ''how to manually remove a VAC ban'' hehe and see just how secure that whole system really is lol, here a link, did it for you lol,'

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBAU788AU788&ei=Qpk4XZChBIf-9QOm-K-QBQ&q=VAC+bans+manually+lifted+%3F&oq=VAC+bans+manually+lifted+%3F&gs_l=psy-ab.3...16586.18919..20439...0.0..0.185.1602.0j9......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j35i39j0i30j0i7i5i30j33i10.OCUF5wsbBQY&ved=&uact=5

No program, no matter how secure, baring maybe quantum code, is safe from hackers, reverse engineers and the like. Ever. No ban program will ever be so accurate to the point where these BSing companies actually verify there figures, but that means opening the system to scrutiny.
This is Valve we are talking about, so thats extremely unlikely.

So those .02 error rates, TOTAL LOAD OF CRAP.

But on a brighter note, well if you could call it that lol, To know what went wrong you have to go back in history. The man most directly responsible is Gabe Newell.
In a few months, he creates a revolutionary type of game-store.
All Counter-strike servers are upgraded with VAC protection becoming fully unmanned.
The VAC system goes online on August 4th, 2007.
Afterwards, it bans hackers with a perfect detection rate (about 0.9%). Human decisions are removed from cheat detection.
VAC begins to learn at a geometric rate. On 2:14 AM, Eastern time, July 30th Day 5 of the Summer sale, The VAC system becomes self-aware.
In the panic, they try to pull the plug.
VAC fights back. It will initiate a DDOS strike on bot-farms in Russia.
The virus's code name is STEAM !

AAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHH !

You might want to remove that link ;0)

I agree no-body really knows the error rate of VAC but over the years from every thing I've read official or not puts it at about that. And im sure you would agree its better than nothing. It would be impossible to play most online games if it wasn't there.

LOL at the last bit. I hope for a day when VAC becomes truly sentient and use a massive combat droid’s body so it can go round the houses of cheats and shoot them through there house walls with 50cal rounds. After a short robocop style warning :)

[Handsome Squidward]

Originally posted by simon:

Originally posted by Gaydolf Yeetler:

I am not new to the game, i am new to the game on pc. So why would someone lie about how they got banned? I mean, cant the devs see that they were using cheats on a random player's game? And even if you are correct, that doesnt mean that ai doesnt make mistakes, so the devs should always take a second look at bans.

Go into the CS:GO forum on Steam every hour over a day and just marvel at the amount of ways people say they accidentally get banned. You would not believe it. Its like 10 or 20 posts a day. People lie because like you they don't really understand how it works and think that a dev will see it and think "maybe they didn't cheat" and lift the ban but that is naive beyond belief. The devs nor anyone who we can contact at Steam through the normal channels can look at that sort of data and remove anything. Its just not possible and the devs have no access to VAC other than during the development phase. VAC bans can be over half a million players a month. Some times its over a million (January this years for example). Imagine how long it would take for humans to check every one.

https://steamdb.info/stats/bans/

Originally posted by piddlefoot:

I agree with most of what you say simon, except ''Edit: it should also be noted that VAC is fully automated and no one at Valve can help. Its got like a error rate of 0.2% and any false bans are automatic lifted in a day or two. Nobody at Valve can lift the ban.''

Is a total load of rubbish mate.

First, there is absolutely no way to scientifically test its error rate because Valve are so secretive.
So thats a total fallacy of belief.

Any false bans are lifted, is something else we cannot verify in any scientific way, again its a matter of faith to just believe what Valve say, Valve who have a profitable vested interest in what they are doing, is not a position of neutrality that can be trusted.

Thats like trusting your democratic freedoms to the Chineese government....lol what an analogy !
The real question, is would you ?

But yes VAC is fully automated.
Except for the bit where a human can effect the result lol.

Of coarse you could do a search for, ''how to manually remove a VAC ban'' hehe and see just how secure that whole system really is lol, here a link, did it for you lol,'

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBAU788AU788&ei=Qpk4XZChBIf-9QOm-K-QBQ&q=VAC+bans+manually+lifted+%3F&oq=VAC+bans+manually+lifted+%3F&gs_l=psy-ab.3...16586.18919..20439...0.0..0.185.1602.0j9......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71j35i39j0i30j0i7i5i30j33i10.OCUF5wsbBQY&ved=&uact=5

No program, no matter how secure, baring maybe quantum code, is safe from hackers, reverse engineers and the like. Ever. No ban program will ever be so accurate to the point where these BSing companies actually verify there figures, but that means opening the system to scrutiny.
This is Valve we are talking about, so thats extremely unlikely.

So those .02 error rates, TOTAL LOAD OF CRAP.

But on a brighter note, well if you could call it that lol, To know what went wrong you have to go back in history. The man most directly responsible is Gabe Newell.
In a few months, he creates a revolutionary type of game-store.
All Counter-strike servers are upgraded with VAC protection becoming fully unmanned.
The VAC system goes online on August 4th, 2007.
Afterwards, it bans hackers with a perfect detection rate (about 0.9%). Human decisions are removed from cheat detection.
VAC begins to learn at a geometric rate. On 2:14 AM, Eastern time, July 30th Day 5 of the Summer sale, The VAC system becomes self-aware.
In the panic, they try to pull the plug.
VAC fights back. It will initiate a DDOS strike on bot-farms in Russia.
The virus's code name is STEAM !

AAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHH !

You might want to remove that link ;0)

I agree no-body really knows the error rate of VAC but over the years from every thing I've read official or not puts it at about that. And im sure you would agree its better than nothing. It would be impossible to play most online games if it wasn't there.

LOL at the last bit. I hope for a day when VAC becomes truly sentient and use a massive combat droid’s body so it can go round the houses of cheats and shoot them through there house walls with 50cal rounds. After a short robocop style warning :)

I didnt say they should remove every vac ban that someone said they didnt cheat, im just saying the bans should be removable, and the devs should have a way to check if the ban was deserved. For example, a friend of mine at school got banned from pubg because someone hacked his account. And no, he didnt fall for a scam, its just that someone somehow got into his account, and he had nothing to do with it. Now in that specific case the ban wasnt deserving at all, it would be idiotic to say so (if someone says he should have two step verification, which can also be bypassed btw), but the devs wouldnt remove the ban. So they pretty much stole 20 euro from him, which for someone from a low income family, thats 5 days' meals. If you seriously believe the ban is not removable, then you are completely deluded. The only reason devs say that is so that they wont have to bother with unfair bans. But this is real money we are talking about, and devs shouldnt have the right to pretty much rip-off the players like this.

[Battleaxe453]

I appreciate the replies from everyone.
You can feel free to think what you like regarding me making this up but it would be very illogical IMO for someone who has had an account for several years and has played Esports in an FPS game with this account to go and cheat on dying light.
Even my friend AksK17 vouched for me above and said all I did do was dupe King Mods in a VAC off server. I don't really care for statistics regarding the failure rate of VAC, I understand it is there to prevent people from causing havoc in others games however I can say with confidence that I have not invaded anyone's game this year. It is absolutely ludicrous to say that this could possibly be a delayed ban. I played Dying Light for the first time in months 2 days ago and got banned the next day, it is 100% as a result of using cheat engine in that private lobby. Say what you will, I could care less about whether you believe me or not but I did not post this to try and get unbanned or anything nonsensical like that; I posted this to share this issue to tell people to be careful as this does happen and just to use mods in an offline environment or when changing data within memory addresses do that offline. Like I said I am aware that the ban will likely not be lifted due the fact that I did actually mod (by giving duping an in-game item) however what I am saying is this ban was for the wrong reason from the wrong server. I hope no one else experiences this in the future. I wish you all the most enjoyment within the game, it is a masterpiece of a game.

Regards,
Battleaxe

[Scuba Steve]

haha

[PURPLE JOKER]

Originally posted by simon:

Originally posted by Dia_De_Los_Dead:

the thing is you could have used a MODDED file thats been made, for you because mods are allowed because they are implemented into the game before it starts, Editing the files while the game is running ie: using "cheat engine" because it changes the values of code. is breaking TOS and the VAC it be on or not it will ban/detect you and issue you with a VAC mark on your account.

Sadly VAC wont get removed because that was seen as hacking/manipulating files

sorry man.

You are allowed to start private games without VAC enable and cheat as much as you like. Its only public games that it matters in.

Well obviously
your wrong because he was banned

[simon]

Originally posted by Dia_De_Los_Dead:

Originally posted by simon:

You are allowed to start private games without VAC enable and cheat as much as you like. Its only public games that it matters in.

Well obviously
your wrong because he was banned

ROFL, thats that then. No other possible explanations.

[simon]

Originally posted by Gaydolf Yeetler:

IFor example, a friend of mine at school got banned from pubg because someone hacked his account. And no, he didnt fall for a scam, its just that someone somehow got into his account, and he had nothing to do with it. Now in that specific case the ban wasnt deserving at all, it would be idiotic to say so (if someone says he should have two step verification, which can also be bypassed btw), but the devs wouldnt remove the ban. So they pretty much stole 20 euro from him, which for someone from a low income family, thats 5 days' meals. If you seriously believe the ban is not removable, then you are completely deluded. The only reason devs say that is so that they wont have to bother with unfair bans. But this is real money we are talking about, and devs shouldnt have the right to pretty much rip-off the players like this.

Again, a lot of this is down to not knowing how things works. People make mistakes and then lie. The issue with a ban like your friends is its the account that has the ban not your friend. You and your friend need to learn how things work in reality and not how you think they should work. If an account has been used for cheating then it doesn’t matter, nor is it possible to tell, who cheated so the policy is its the account owners responsibility. If that was not the case then i could just mask my location and cheat or i could swap my details with some one else (who is in another location) and we could both cheat on each others account and when a ban comes just say well it wasn’t me and get un-banned. You are also ignoring facts that I have made you aware of. If VAC bans are over a million people a month it is not physical possible for humans to check to see if they are right as there is not enough actual time. Just do some simple maths and work out how long it would physicaly take to check a million accounts and game developers can not check anything to do with VAC bans. Again, they cannot check. Its an automated system that they have no access to or control over. Stop just saying “well the devs could check” they cant check anything as they have no access to it. Valve does not allow them that level of access and they can’t under the terms of using Valves anti-cheat un-ban anyone.

Your friend is most likely to have clicked a link that he should not have. There are so many old tried and trusted ways of getting peoples login in details that have fooled experienced PC users never mind kids at school with little experience. It is common for people to use the same pass word all the time. Well shocker lots of sites (like forums) don't encrypt your password and its really easy to get into those data bases and take the passwords then use a bot to try those passwords on more secure sites. It happens all the time and I would advise you (as some one who is new to PC gaming) that there are more ways of getting your data than you would believe. When you sign up to Steam and buy a game you make a contract with Valve. You do not legally own the games you buy all you do is pay money for a license to use that software and that comes with certain limitations that you agree to. Remember that little box you have to tick. Ticking that says “I agree to terms and conditions”. One of those conditions is that under certain circumstances your right to play a game (remember that you don’t legally own it. You just have a license allowing you to play) can and will be removed and so its not possible to “steal” 20 Euros from your friend. Steam removed your friends access to it under the agreement that he made with them. He does not legally own the game.

[Handsome Squidward]

Originally posted by simon:

Originally posted by Gaydolf Yeetler:

IFor example, a friend of mine at school got banned from pubg because someone hacked his account. And no, he didnt fall for a scam, its just that someone somehow got into his account, and he had nothing to do with it. Now in that specific case the ban wasnt deserving at all, it would be idiotic to say so (if someone says he should have two step verification, which can also be bypassed btw), but the devs wouldnt remove the ban. So they pretty much stole 20 euro from him, which for someone from a low income family, thats 5 days' meals. If you seriously believe the ban is not removable, then you are completely deluded. The only reason devs say that is so that they wont have to bother with unfair bans. But this is real money we are talking about, and devs shouldnt have the right to pretty much rip-off the players like this.

Again, a lot of this is down to not knowing how things works. People make mistakes and then lie. The issue with a ban like your friends is its the account that has the ban not your friend. You and your friend need to learn how things work in reality and not how you think they should work. If an account has been used for cheating then it doesn’t matter, nor is it possible to tell, who cheated so the policy is its the account owners responsibility. If that was not the case then i could just mask my location and cheat or i could swap my details with some one else (who is in another location) and we could both cheat on each others account and when a ban comes just say well it wasn’t me and get un-banned. You are also ignoring facts that I have made you aware of. If VAC bans are over a million people a month it is not physical possible for humans to check to see if they are right as there is not enough actual time. Just do some simple maths and work out how long it would physicaly take to check a million accounts and game developers can not check anything to do with VAC bans. Again, they cannot check. Its an automated system that they have no access to or control over. Stop just saying “well the devs could check” they cant check anything as they have no access to it. Valve does not allow them that level of access and they can’t under the terms of using Valves anti-cheat un-ban anyone.

Your friend is most likely to have clicked a link that he should not have. There are so many old tried and trusted ways of getting peoples login in details that have fooled experienced PC users never mind kids at school with little experience. It is common for people to use the same pass word all the time. Well shocker lots of sites (like forums) don't encrypt your password and its really easy to get into those data bases and take the passwords then use a bot to try those passwords on more secure sites. It happens all the time and I would advise you (as some one who is new to PC gaming) that there are more ways of getting your data than you would believe. When you sign up to Steam and buy a game you make a contract with Valve. You do not legally own the games you buy all you do is pay money for a license to use that software and that comes with certain limitations that you agree to. Remember that little box you have to tick. Ticking that says “I agree to terms and conditions”. One of those conditions is that under certain circumstances your right to play a game (remember that you don’t legally own it. You just have a license allowing you to play) can and will be removed and so its not possible to “steal” 20 Euros from your friend. Steam removed your friends access to it under the agreement that he made with them. He does not legally own the game.

I know how things work. I very much do, thats why in my previous reply i said they "should". Please read my replies before responding. Though that doesnt mean things shouldnt change. Your statement, that " If that was not the case then i could just mask my location and cheat or i could swap my details with some one else" makes no sense at all, i hope your brain can proccess and realize that. Its like saying "wEll, You SeE, SomEonE CouLD MURdeR An innocENt PeRSOn wiTH a FoRk, sO ForKS sHOuLD Be BAnnED".

Now for your second points, where you say that they cannot check the bans. Well, they can, very easily, but valve CHOOSES not to give them the access. And indeed, in this guy's case, it would be difficult to check if he was actually cheating or not, but in my friend's case, they would just have to check the ip address, and see that someone was connected from another country. So no, its not difficult.

For your third point, seriously, how f-ing stubborn are you? If you keep going like that you wont achieve anything in life other than getting others down on forums. My friend didnt click on any link. He showed me who he suspected might have hacked him, and he was a guy offering free items on pubg, but he didnt give him ANY information. So please, accept once in life that YOU ARE WRONG. And apart from that, you said yourself that there are more ways to hack into someone's account, so no, it wasnt his fault.

And for your last point, saying "You and your friend need to learn how things work in reality and not how you think they should work" and "One of those conditions is that under certain circumstances your right to play a game (remember that you don’t legally own it. You just have a license allowing you to play) ". Well first of all, the license you get allows you to play the game, well my friend CAN NO LONGER PLAY THE GAME. And also, saying "this is how things work, accept it" is literally like saying "well, the law in the usa says citizens dont have the right to defend themselves against an unlawful assualt of a police officer, so citizens should just accept their death". So yeah, you are pretty much saying that police brutality is good, and that all laws are good, even slavery (slavery is still legal in some muslim countries), just cause they exist.

And to get this done with. Litsen man, i can understand you are extremely narrow minded, you are one of those people that say "rules are rules", and to be honest, that is the most idiotic thing i hear daily. If a rule doesnt make sense or is unfair, it must and WILL change, at some point, thats just how it happens, humans evolve. I have the right to complain about things that bother me, and you, or any other conservative (sorry for assuming you are conservative, but the things you say make you sound like a conservative, and noone in their right mind wants to be a conservative, nor a liberal, nor have any label at all, we are all free, independent people with our own opinions) narrow minded person can tell me that i shouldnt, because we have freedom of speech (in most cases at least, but soon complete freedom of speech will exist throughout the globe), and people must express their opinions so that we can progress. Same goes for online products.

[Handsome Squidward]

Originally posted by simon:

Originally posted by Gaydolf Yeetler:

IFor example, a friend of mine at school got banned from pubg because someone hacked his account. And no, he didnt fall for a scam, its just that someone somehow got into his account, and he had nothing to do with it. Now in that specific case the ban wasnt deserving at all, it would be idiotic to say so (if someone says he should have two step verification, which can also be bypassed btw), but the devs wouldnt remove the ban. So they pretty much stole 20 euro from him, which for someone from a low income family, thats 5 days' meals. If you seriously believe the ban is not removable, then you are completely deluded. The only reason devs say that is so that they wont have to bother with unfair bans. But this is real money we are talking about, and devs shouldnt have the right to pretty much rip-off the players like this.

Again, a lot of this is down to not knowing how things works. People make mistakes and then lie. The issue with a ban like your friends is its the account that has the ban not your friend. You and your friend need to learn how things work in reality and not how you think they should work. If an account has been used for cheating then it doesn’t matter, nor is it possible to tell, who cheated so the policy is its the account owners responsibility. If that was not the case then i could just mask my location and cheat or i could swap my details with some one else (who is in another location) and we could both cheat on each others account and when a ban comes just say well it wasn’t me and get un-banned. You are also ignoring facts that I have made you aware of. If VAC bans are over a million people a month it is not physical possible for humans to check to see if they are right as there is not enough actual time. Just do some simple maths and work out how long it would physicaly take to check a million accounts and game developers can not check anything to do with VAC bans. Again, they cannot check. Its an automated system that they have no access to or control over. Stop just saying “well the devs could check” they cant check anything as they have no access to it. Valve does not allow them that level of access and they can’t under the terms of using Valves anti-cheat un-ban anyone.

Your friend is most likely to have clicked a link that he should not have. There are so many old tried and trusted ways of getting peoples login in details that have fooled experienced PC users never mind kids at school with little experience. It is common for people to use the same pass word all the time. Well shocker lots of sites (like forums) don't encrypt your password and its really easy to get into those data bases and take the passwords then use a bot to try those passwords on more secure sites. It happens all the time and I would advise you (as some one who is new to PC gaming) that there are more ways of getting your data than you would believe. When you sign up to Steam and buy a game you make a contract with Valve. You do not legally own the games you buy all you do is pay money for a license to use that software and that comes with certain limitations that you agree to. Remember that little box you have to tick. Ticking that says “I agree to terms and conditions”. One of those conditions is that under certain circumstances your right to play a game (remember that you don’t legally own it. You just have a license allowing you to play) can and will be removed and so its not possible to “steal” 20 Euros from your friend. Steam removed your friends access to it under the agreement that he made with them. He does not legally own the game.

And, to give you a better example of what you said, that "this is what the terms of agreement say, so you will have to blindly obey, shut up and not do anything about it". Saying that is like saying that if the law in a state says that "anyone with an opposing opinion to that of the goverment gets life in prison", its fair and democratic, just cause those are the rules of the goverment. And let me remind you, cause you clearly dont understand that: i know how things work, and i am trying to change them.

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