2 weeks after my first ever false Vac-Ban on Mordhau and it remains!

[The Black Death]

Apparently there appears to be an issue, I was falsely VAC-banned on a game called Mordhau a few weeks ago, I was on a steady spree of 5 games of horde without any issues and out of the blue the game kicks me from the lobby and tells me that I've been vac-banned with no real reason behind it, and it's not like my scores in the matches I was in were positive at all considering I was trying to have fun with the game and get some practice with the combat so I could do better in the game.
I've mentioned this previously in a former VAC discussion and somebody told me that it would be removed within a week or two if it was applied falsely but it's coming on three weeks now and it still remains, and keep in mind, out of my many years of playing games on Steam this has NEVER happened.
I'm pretty sure the whole problem with vac-bans not being able to be removed has to do with the program itself so it can't ever be removed by advanced hackers and so on, and probably has to do with the Devs and Admins of said game where the VAC took place, so would I have to consult them about the VAC-Ban?

[FFL2and3rocks]

VAC is automated. The game's devs aren't involved.

[Papa Hepatitis]

you should keep in mind that any 3rd party program regardless of whether its on mordhau or not can get you banned, people have been vac banned for having cheat engine open in the background while playing cs

[whatamidoing]

Originally posted by Papa Hepatitis:

you should keep in mind that any 3rd party program regardless of whether its on mordhau or not can get you banned, people have been vac banned for having cheat engine open in the background while playing cs

I was under the impression that that's a common excuse, and that it just gives errors instead of an actual ban unless it's injected into the game.

[FFL2and3rocks]

Originally posted by Papa Hepatitis:

people have been vac banned for having cheat engine open in the background while playing cs

That's just an excuse cheaters use.

[Zekiran]

No one can be 'consulted' about a vac ban.

If the game is vac protected, and vac shows up and doesn't go away, it's a permanent, appropriately placed ban.

Skin changers, any kind of tweaks to a game's files or dlls, may trigger it and you might not consider it 'cheating' but... there they are.

It's not a matter of convincing anyone. It's either a permanent and proper ban, or not. My guess is that you 'didn't realize' something you have on your computer is going to trigger it. Even then: doesn't matter. Permanent means permanent.

[The Black Death]

That's the thing.... The only things I had open at the time were Youtube on my Microsoft Edge browser, Discord, and the game itself, so it's not really a matter of any actual program being on that I know of, and about "tweaks to game files", the devs of Mordhua haven't even released modding support to begin with so that's out of the picture as well.. I couldn't really complain about getting a ban if I "WAS" cheating to be fair, but all I was doing was playing a few matches trying to get better at the combat of the game, however I have heard of hackers being in the game before and I've seen some ♥♥♥♥ on the game from players that is questionable, and there have been stories of other players on other games being VAC-banned solely for being in a game with a person who has hacks or mods on? So that's also questionable as well.

But as far as I know, VAC-Bans are rather sketchy and unreliable if they ban you permanently for no real reason and can never be removed even if you were banned wrongfully in the first place by the system, I know I'm not the first person this has happened to, but I can already seeing this lead to legal trouble if a program wrongfully bans you from a playing a product you bought with your own money with no real reason given nor anyway to investigate and remove said wrongful ban.

[Ç!ｲ!乙3η-ﾒ]

How does a VAC ban work?

VAC stands for Valve Anti-Cheat, an automated system designed to detect cheats installed on users' computers. If a user connects to a VAC-Secured server from a computer with identifiable cheats installed, the VAC system will ban the user from playing that game on VAC-Secured servers in the future.

[Slater]

Originally posted by The Black Death:

there have been stories of other players on other games being VAC-banned solely for being in a game with a person who has hacks or mods on? So that's also questionable as well.

The stories you have heard are just that - stories. False stories. Lies made up by cheaters who want to cover their tracks and make excuses. Nobody has ever been banned solely for being in the same game as a cheater. Ever.

Originally posted by The Black Death:

But as far as I know, VAC-Bans are rather sketchy and unreliable if they ban you permanently for no real reason and can never be removed even if you were banned wrongfully in the first place by the system

VAC bans are not sketchy and unreliable. They do not ban people for no reason. It simply does not happen. Occasionally (and I mean very occassionally) an incorrect ban is given for software or mods that are detected and originally thought to be a cheat, but are later discovered not to be. These bans are removed automatically. No ban has ever been given for no reason however.

Originally posted by The Black Death:

I know I'm not the first person this has happened to, but I can already seeing this lead to legal trouble if a program wrongfully bans you from a playing a product you bought with your own money with no real reason given nor anyway to investigate and remove said wrongful ban.

The reason nobody has ever successfully sued Valve for this issue is because the issue does not happen. People do not get banned for no reason, and any incorrect bans are removed.

The vast majority of people that claim they have a "false" VAC ban are either lying, or simply dont understand the very good and legitimate reason for them being banned.

[Theblaze]

Originally posted by The Black Death:

[...] and there have been stories of other players on other games being VAC-banned solely for being in a game with a person who has hacks or mods on? So that's also questionable as well. [...]

Stories made by cheaters. You don't get VAC banned because someone else was cheating in the same lobby as you.

If that would be the case, pretty much 99% of the playerbase of said game would be VAC banned by now.

And these kind of "Stories" has been excessively used on games like Call of Duty.

Also out of curiosity, have you shared your steam library with someone else?, I'm talking about family sharing, if yes you might read this:
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=3784-QLBM-5731#VACban

[whatamidoing]

And VAC bans are delayed. What you were doing at the time was actually applied is entirely irrelevant.

[Zekiran]

Originally posted by whatamidoing:

And VAC bans are delayed. What you were doing at the time was actually applied is entirely irrelevant.

^^^

"The only thing I had open at the time" ... when you NOTICED the ban? Well, that's fine, because the program caught the cheat before that point. Days, weeks, or even months before.

Just move on. You were already told, apparently, that false bans are *extraordinarily rare*, but you chose to cling on even though you are the only one who knows why there's a ban on your account.

Format your computer, don't let anyone else use your computer or your account. Start fresh if you really need to play, or play on -insecure servers.

[The Black Death]

Yeah I originally started this to ask for feedback or assistance with this since the last time I brought this issue up I was told the ban would be lifted after 1 week or 2 if it was falsely applied(and it hasn't) but I'm noticing a lot of corporate shilling in the comments here, which is rather ironic considering it is said that false VAC-bans are a thing and will be removed systematically, however...
This is getting us no where if people are just going to disregard everything blindly and treat a very visibility broken system as "THE TRUTH MACHINE", stop pretending like VAC is a perfect system when there's plenty of people out there who have been wrongfully banned by this and have even had their own bans removed so I would like to hear the backpedaling and sidestepping excuses for that as well, since you honestly can't list EVERYONE this has happened to as a cheater without looking like like a blatant defender, especially considering Mordhau was the only game with the VAC system that I have that I've EVER had problems with as a whole, I really wouldn't be complaining very much if the ban WAS legit but as I've said I had no program up to trigger the system in the first place and nor have I had any problems with VAC on any other steam games at all, but I guess we're gonna ignore that fact.

All I have to say is that it seems people can't provide a concrete answer or have their bosses breathing down their neck to shut down people bringing up blatant issues with the system but I still have no idea why my account got a VAC-ban for virtually nothing when I've never had any issues with the VAC system in prior history and now I got a swarm of Steam Shills literally white knighting for a broken system that is blatantly anti-consumer who can't give any real constructive help or stance on the subject, keep this up and Valve is going to get a whole TON of legal trouble from multiple people whether you like it or not.

[☯Rub A Dub Nub☯™]

Why dont you step up and sue them? Move on kid its no a false ban but it is permanent

[whatamidoing]

Go ahead and take your case to a lawyer, please. Let us know the reaction.

[Snaggle]

Your problem is you're trying to convince a forum full of users that you are innocent. How do we know? You said you only had certain programs open, how do we know? You say you wouldn't come here if your ban was right, but anyone can type that.

It's easy for people to come here and play the "Valve are evil, their forum users are shills" card and link it to their friends for maximum cred. We see it all the time, sadly.

No one here thinks it's the perfect system we have all seen false bans applied and removed. If yours is false then the process is no different. You keep referencing my post where I said the ban would be removed, but I said it's usually 1-2 weeks. So give it a little more time, if nothing happens then I think it's probably safe to move on and get yourself another account.