More invasive VAC?

[Tom Cruise]

So is this a possibility? That Valve can develop VAC so that it checks what other exe files are running, whats loaded into the memory and what firmware the keyboard / mouse is using (BAD USB)? I know 3rd party services does this (ESEA), what hinders valve from doing it? Non-prime is a cheatfest at the moment.

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[Kietan]

It's possible to be far more invasive, what hinders Valve is that the community probably wouldn't enjoy or allow such a solution.

[Tom Cruise]

Цитата допису Obey Just Like Insects:

It's possible to be far more invasive, what hinders Valve is that the community probably wouldn't enjoy or allow such a solution.

Maybe, but why then complain. Valve is restricted in their work to catch cheaters. It should be a thing you could sign up for, like "ultra-prime" :D. As long as they legally in their terms promise to not share this information with any 3rd part (like sell the information to advertisers, just like FB is doing)

[Kietan]

Possibly, but have you seen the documents leaked on WikiLeaks today? (It's like CHRISTMAS).
The CIA can control a foreign countries entire... anything from a bunch of offices.

So what would you accept as part of an invasive anti-cheat technology? Root Kits? Supervisors (GameGuard etc) Blizzards Warden? Giving another human permission to watch your screen?

I really don't know what Valve would be willing to do or how much effort to expend.

[hocke.txt]

For all I care they can do whatever they want as long as I get to agree to a Prime +. Check whaterver they want etc. I have nothing to hide I cant store on an external drive while playing. It is much needed, I like the last update regarding cheaters but a Prime + is what needs to happen if they dont want to lose us none cheaters. I know several of my friends who has sold thier entire CSGO inventory and stoped playing csgo only due to the cheater infested game it has become.

And with a Prime + it would be just like today with Prime, you can use it if you want to. Its up to every player to decide about non prime or prime, why not add a second level of it?

[Aspiring Champion]

So why not just go and play on ESEA if their methods are so effective? The monthly cost can't be the only inhibitor, as people are dropping major dollars on coloured pixels regularly.

[Tom Cruise]

Цитата допису Aspiring Champion:

So why not just go and play on ESEA if their methods are so effective? The monthly cost can't be the only inhibitor, as people are dropping major dollars on coloured pixels regularly.

ESEA is pretty sketchy. After that bitcoin scandal I dunno man.

[Commander Makara]

VAC is mostly streamed detection methods cycled so as to hide the majority of its inner workings and prevent from cheat developers from accessing its codebase or otherwise being circumvented.
This does limit its ability (for legal reasons as to the privacy amongst practical issues with reading various system areas)
So it is actually capable of detecting a lot (even down to driver level) but indirectly without the root access.

Many people take theircomputer and data security very seriously, and there are legal restrictions on what software is permitted to snoop about or intereact with on your device.
WHen it was revealed that VAC was briefly for a short period, cross referenceing the DNS cahce record for a very particular domain access that was anonymously checked and ONLY when the potential for a cheat was already established and then ONLY to identify the DRM payment server for proof that the identified cheat had been definitely downloaded and bought - There was HUGE outcry amonsgt social media users and across videogames (and national) media.
People accused Valve of spying and poking about into prvate areas of their computers and all sorts despite the reality being not even close.
So imagine what furore may occur werre VAC ever to actually go peeking at private unrelated areas of the computer...

No itäs not going to happen, and for a good thing too.

All VAC needs is to identify where the game files or memory is tampered with. There's no cheat in the world that cannot avoid this intrusion - and ultimately, VAC can potentially always detect the signs of this.

The problem you refer to with so manby cheats in game, is NOT due to VAC not being capable or invasive enough, but instead simply due to a massive proliferation of cheats combined with the delayed ban system.

VAC bans over 100000 accounts per month every month, and this is likely to increase. With the most popular games, such as CSGO, there are attracting more players so more cheat developers, so more available cheats, so more options for cheat players, and therefore more opportuunities to meet cheats in games.

If you need to lay the blame for the visibility of cheats in your games at any doorstep, blame society, the cheats, the cheat developers. Valve are providing VAC and other features to go a long way in helping reduce these problems.

[Veskaida]

I think Commander Makara sumarized this pretty well.

Yes, VAC doesn't have a 100% detection rate, but I don't think it needs to be more invasive to improve that.

[hex]

Cmon man, vac is crap, it can detect only public cheats but doesnt matter if it is internal or external. Makara you don't know what youre talking about, vac running at driver level ? You know at least what this involves ? Go read some books instead of trying to be smart here because you failed miserably. How could a system acces indirectly low level stuff if it hasn't root acces ? ♥♥♥♥, i'm outta here, too much stupidity in this comment i just read.

[Commander Makara]

Цитата допису avOID:

Cmon man, vac is crap, it can detect only public cheats but doesnt matter if it is internal or external. Makara you don't know what youre talking about, vac running at driver level ? You know at least what this involves ? Go read some books instead of trying to be smart here because you failed miserably. How could a system acces indirectly low level stuff if it hasn't root acces ? ♥♥♥♥, i'm outta here, too much stupidity in this comment i just read.

You seem to be mistaken.
At no point did I make any claim that VAC runs at driver level.

If yoou actually bothered to read (and educate yourself) you may learn not to assume what I meant, but instead interpret my words exactly s they are written, that VAC is capable of detecting driver level process through indirect means - therfore it does not REQUIRE root access.

Given my hoistory and qulaification in the subject, I think you will find I know a great deal of what I'm talkking about. You, however, have simply evidenced that you fail to even read and understand a forum post.

[Flurdy]

Цитата допису avOID:

Cmon man, vac is crap, it can detect only public cheats but doesnt matter if it is internal or external. Makara you don't know what youre talking about, vac running at driver level ? You know at least what this involves ? Go read some books instead of trying to be smart here because you failed miserably. How could a system acces indirectly low level stuff if it hasn't root acces ? ♥♥♥♥, i'm outta here, too much stupidity in this comment i just read.

Makara is one of the most knowledgeable people on the forum when it comes to VAC. The only stupid comment in this thread so far is yours. Maybe, just maybe you should read up on VAC before you tell people they know nothing about it.

[hex]

Well, 'capable of detecting a lot (even down to driver level) but indirectly without the root access' from this sentence is understood that a system can read at driver level without root acces which it can't be done. I can write this ♥♥♥♥♥ bypassing vac anytime if i want to and surely i know what i'm talking about.

'All VAC needs is to identify where the game files or memory is tampered with. There's no cheat in the world that cannot avoid this intrusion' again, why you think that this is enough ? What if i write directly on D3D ? Game memory is not tampered and vac can't do nothing. Cmon, this posts makes me think that you don't know what youre talking about. Flurdy, I really doubt about his knowledge is this area.

All vac is using is old antivirus techniques, (maybe they are using it too but not relying only on that), which comes to checking the memory, game files, and then if the memory is tampered somehow it is scanning for known signatures as well as adding the new one found. If I rebuild a cheat and change some bytes every single day there will be no vac until they implement some heuristic scan. Even then, cheats will be ahead of vac.

[Flurdy]

Цитата допису avOID:

Flurdy, I really doubt about his knowledge is this area.

I really doubt your knowledge about this area.
I would hope Makara knows how VAC works, because he wrote an entire guide about a VAC error. I'm pretty sure he didn't pull that out of nowhere..

[hex]

A guide is nothing compared to actually knowing how the ♥♥♥♥ happens on the client side. I mean, you need engineering skills for that. If he made a guide for this doesn't mean he knows more than that. I can tell you from what he wrote that it is not the case. Usually i'm not writing about this stuff because nobody cares anyway.

[Flurdy]

Цитата допису avOID:

A guide is nothing compared to actually knowing how the ♥♥♥♥ happens on the client side. I mean, you need engineering skills for that. If he made a guide for this doesn't mean he knows more than that. I can tell you from what he wrote that it is not the case.

So, you know how it works then? Because all i see from you is some guy with some code as a picture and a posthistory of argueing (and failing). He sure as hell is one of the most experienced and knowledgeable people on the forums here when it comes to technical questions.