Extreme Injector accidently left open

[Chickerino]

I was playing around in euro truck simulator 2, and then I came on to csgo, played 1 game, then left, instantly after i closed csgo, I realised I had extreme injector open. Will it give me VAC? I didn't cheat in CS:GO

[Albcatmastercat]

Escrito originalmente por techsimmons:

He is simply worried he will be banned for having cheats running, but not hooked into CS:GO. I kind of know the feeling. I close every program I can when I start a game, but have forgotten a few times. But Valve's rules on this are (purposely?) unclear, and automated systems do make mistakes (though VAC rarely does). It's been over 20 hours since his question and he's still not banned for what seems to be a known, popular engine. I would also caution the OP to abstain from having cheats installed; even single-player use can trigger bans in some instances (when there are leaderboards, unlocks, etc.). Though I used single-player mods for HL2 back in the day, I refuse to mod anything these days.

SP games giving bans? Which?

[wesinat0r]

Escrito originalmente por speedvoltage:

What is unclear to you?

This is just my opinion, but the VAC rules seem to be worded in such a way that would deter people from installing cheats at all, no matter the intent. I actually happen to agree with this. Lack of clarity creates fear and uncertainty. Though it would be time-consuming and maybe illegal, we do not yet know for sure if VAC scans the entire HD and RAM for cheats. Better safe than sorry. And quite honestly, a lot of mods usable in MP games give an unfair advantage (example: ironsight mods in Insurgency); I play on servers that disable all mods, though.

This brings me to Albcatmastercat's question. There are quite a few instances of users being VAC banned in SP games, Examples include solo play in Ark: Survival Evolved, CS:GO offline vs. bots, and all Call of Duties since MW2.

[Peter Brev]

The Steam Subscriber Agreement is quite straight forward on that matter. No cheats at all on online games.

[wesinat0r]

Escrito originalmente por speedvoltage:

The Steam Subscriber Agreement is quite straight forward on that matter. No cheats at all on online games.

Right, but we are talking specifically about single-player games. Some run "offline" and some run online. You have to sign in then connect to something to play BO3's campaign, for example. It sounds like the OP was running a cheat engine while in a game that's not connected to servers in any way (except for cloud syncing maybe). But we don't really know if having a cheat engine merely running when switching to a PvP-enabled game can trigger a ban; there are conflicting reports. I know of a couple cases where Valve reversed bans when the cheat engine wasn't hooked into game memory, but it took a lot of time, frustration, and luck.


I think we all agree that cheats are bad (mmkay?) in any case. Because we don't know Valve's true stance. They seem to allow hacking the single-player offline game that isn't coded for outside connections. The problem is one rule says to not run have any cheats installed, but is contradicted by their point stating the system checks game memory for cheat signatures in VAC-enabled servers.

[Albcatmastercat]

Escrito originalmente por techsimmons:

Escrito originalmente por speedvoltage:

The Steam Subscriber Agreement is quite straight forward on that matter. No cheats at all on online games.

Right, but we are talking specifically about single-player games. Some run "offline" and some run online. You have to sign in then connect to something to play BO3's campaign, for example. It sounds like the OP was running a cheat engine while in a game that's not connected to servers in any way (except for cloud syncing maybe). But we don't really know if having a cheat engine merely running when switching to a PvP-enabled game can trigger a ban; there are conflicting reports. I know of a couple cases where Valve reversed bans when the cheat engine wasn't hooked into game memory, but it took a lot of time, frustration, and luck.


I think we all agree that cheats are bad (mmkay?) in any case. Because we don't know Valve's true stance. They seem to allow hacking the single-player offline game that isn't coded for outside connections. The problem is one rule says to not run have any cheats installed, but is contradicted by their point stating the system checks game memory for cheat signatures in VAC-enabled servers.

That thing about "Cheat Engine For Another Game" was fake. The user made another account then claimed they got unbanned to protect their image.

[Peter Brev]

The rule of thumb is that if you are connecting to a server where there are other players (consider bots as players), and start cheating, then you are subject to a VAC ban.

If not doing it, then a VAC ban cannot happen. VAC enabled games are tagged, so there is no excuse.

Having CE running will not cause a VAC ban. If it does, then the user hooked CE to a process.

[Chickerino]

Escrito originalmente por speedvoltage:

The rule of thumb is that if you are connecting to a server where there are other players (consider bots as players), and start cheating, then you are subject to a VAC ban.

If not doing it, then a VAC ban cannot happen. VAC enabled games are tagged, so there is no excuse.

Having CE running will not cause a VAC ban. If it does, then the user hooked CE to a process.

i didnt inject anything, didnt have cheats running, all i had was extreme injector which is a tool used to inject DLLs

[Albcatmastercat]

Escrito originalmente por Cluckerino:

Escrito originalmente por speedvoltage:

The rule of thumb is that if you are connecting to a server where there are other players (consider bots as players), and start cheating, then you are subject to a VAC ban.

If not doing it, then a VAC ban cannot happen. VAC enabled games are tagged, so there is no excuse.

Having CE running will not cause a VAC ban. If it does, then the user hooked CE to a process.

i didnt inject anything, didnt have cheats running, all i had was extreme injector which is a tool used to inject DLLs

That sentence contradicts itself.

ETS2 doesn't seem to be VAC-Protected, though.

[Chickerino]

Escrito originalmente por Albcatmastercat:

Escrito originalmente por Cluckerino:

i didnt inject anything, didnt have cheats running, all i had was extreme injector which is a tool used to inject DLLs

That sentence contradicts itself.

ETS2 doesn't seem to be VAC-Protected, though.

its a single player game, and i just wanted a small trainer to get super breaks, have no damage, unlimited fuel etc

[wesinat0r]

Even if it's not a "cheat" per se, I wouldn't trust anything that alters Steam game files. Some of them are known to change active game DLLs without permission (or so I heard).

[Chickerino]

Escrito originalmente por techsimmons:

Even if it's not a "cheat" per se, I wouldn't trust anything that alters Steam game files. Some of them are known to change active game DLLs without permission (or so I heard).

it doesnt change any files

[Peter Brev]

You cannot know until you see how it was coded.

[ReBoot]

Escrito originalmente por Cluckerino:

Escrito originalmente por techsimmons:

Even if it's not a "cheat" per se, I wouldn't trust anything that alters Steam game files. Some of them are known to change active game DLLs without permission (or so I heard).

it doesnt change any files

Doesn't matter. Accessing another process' memory doesn't require changing files, yet it's absolutely ban-worthy.

[Chickerino]

Escrito originalmente por ReBoot:

Escrito originalmente por Cluckerino:

it doesnt change any files

Doesn't matter. Accessing another process' memory doesn't require changing files, yet it's absolutely ban-worthy.

when its a single player game? seems legit

[wesinat0r]

Escrito originalmente por Cluckerino:

Escrito originalmente por ReBoot:

Doesn't matter. Accessing another process' memory doesn't require changing files, yet it's absolutely ban-worthy.

when its a single player game? seems legit

The game's store page tells you if it's VAC-enabled or not.