So buying any kind of "steam activation key' is illegal?

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Just curious, as I see it pretty much all over the place now, i.e. purchasing game downloads and then activating the game on Steam. All kinds of third party sites, Amazon, etc etc etc. Apparently anytime you get an activation key ....that game can be removed from your account at any moment. What is the official word on this? Anytime you buy a 'steam game' from anywhere but Steam you pretty much do it at your own risk? It seems that any time after you activate the key the company who sold it to you can reclaim ownership of it and Steam will delete it from your library.

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.I am not sure what country your in but in America we have all kinds of new issues that are being ruled on by judges because they fall into a gray area. Same sex marriage, legalization of marijuana are just a few. Now I purchased a Steam activation key on ebay.

Are you for real? My troll detector just went off the charts.

Am I a troll? Simple answer for you. If a judge was ruling on this..do you really think he is not going to demand to know why Steam accepted a key that was illegally generated? Even if it meant manually checking the key vs. a list provided by the game developer themselves. What I'm saying is you can't just accept a key and then later on say that it was a bad key. At the very least the judge is going to rule that Steam was negligent and that they should be held liable for providing a copy of the game.

Steam activates keys it doesn't have the logic nor omniscient power to know whether or not a key is stolen from a local best buy, gamestop, etc.

Steam sells games and accepts what the developers consider to be proofs of purchase.. meaning that with an activation key you own the game. They agree to provide the game in exchange for the proof of purchase. A judge is not going to be interested in how difficult it is to discern whether a simple numerical code is legitimate. A judge is going to say you accepted that key, you are liable to provide the game. If the key wasn't legitimate I see no reason why you wouldn't be able to discern that before accepting it as valid. Maybe because Steam is lazy, they don't want to manually check an activation code before authorizing it. Well thats their fault, and a judge is going to find them negligent.

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So boys I guess we're all done here. See you in court =)

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There must be some system to know when keys are stolen but Steam/Valve tends to not let the general public in on 'how' they do things because they it could be exploited.

For all you know the deactivation could have been retroactive, anything.

I am sure Valves legal team will have the right answers for a judge... then what defence would you have? :/

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.I am not sure what country your in but in America we have all kinds of new issues that are being ruled on by judges because they fall into a gray area. Same sex marriage, legalization of marijuana are just a few. Now I purchased a Steam activation key on ebay.

Are you for real? My troll detector just went off the charts.

Am I a troll? Simple answer for you. If a judge was ruling on this..do you really think he is not going to demand to know why Steam accepted a key that was illegally generated? Even if it meant manually checking the key vs. a list provided by the game developer themselves. What I'm saying is you can't just accept a key and then later on say that it was a bad key. At the very least the judge is going to rule that Steam was negligent and that they should be held liable for providing a copy of the game.

Steam activates keys it doesn't have the logic nor omniscient power to know whether or not a key is stolen from a local best buy, gamestop, etc.

Steam sells games and accepts what the developers consider to be proofs of purchase.. meaning that with an activation key you own the game. They agree to provide the game in exchange for the proof of purchase. A judge is not going to be interested in how difficult it is to discern whether a simple numerical code is legitimate. A judge is going to say you accepted that key, you are liable to provide the game. If the key wasn't legitimate I see no reason why you wouldn't be able to discern that before accepting it as valid. Maybe because Steam is lazy, they don't want to manually check an activation code before authorizing it. Well thats their fault, and a judge is going to find them negligent.

I'm done with this thread, you can't hear reasoning or logic. You are simply arguing in circles as a form of trolling. Have fun at court :>, remember to come back to tell us how badly you failed and how much you lost to hire a lawyer.

You could use yourself as a lawyer since you "passed" the state bar exam, but let's be serious. That would probably lessen your chance at winning the case.

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slick_trick님이 먼저 게시:

.I am not sure what country your in but in America we have all kinds of new issues that are being ruled on by judges because they fall into a gray area. Same sex marriage, legalization of marijuana are just a few. Now I purchased a Steam activation key on ebay.

Are you for real? My troll detector just went off the charts.

Am I a troll? Simple answer for you. If a judge was ruling on this..do you really think he is not going to demand to know why Steam accepted a key that was illegally generated? Even if it meant manually checking the key vs. a list provided by the game developer themselves. What I'm saying is you can't just accept a key and then later on say that it was a bad key. At the very least the judge is going to rule that Steam was negligent and that they should be held liable for providing a copy of the game.

Steam activates keys it doesn't have the logic nor omniscient power to know whether or not a key is stolen from a local best buy, gamestop, etc.

Steam sells games and accepts what the developers consider to be proofs of purchase.. meaning that with an activation key you own the game. They agree to provide the game in exchange for the proof of purchase. A judge is not going to be interested in how difficult it is to discern whether a simple numerical code is legitimate. A judge is going to say you accepted that key, you are liable to provide the game. If the key wasn't legitimate I see no reason why you wouldn't be able to discern that before accepting it as valid. Maybe because Steam is lazy, they don't want to manually check an activation code before authorizing it. Well thats their fault, and a judge is going to find them negligent.

I'm done with this thread, you can't hear reasoning or logic. You are simply arguing in circles as a form of trolling. Have fun at court :>, remember to come back to tell us how badly you failed and how much you lost to hire a lawyer.

You could use yourself as a lawyer since you "passed" the state bar exam, but let's be serious. That would probably lessen your chance at winning the case.

I want to know how it goes... I need a good laugh :D

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There must be some system to know when keys are stolen but Steam/Valve tends to not let the general public in on 'how' they do things because they it could be exploited.

For all you know the deactivation could have been retroactive, anything.

I am sure Valves legal team will have the right answers for a judge... then what defence would you have? :/

I'm not arguing that. What I'm saying is that Steam accepted the key. At that point, they have accepted liability for providing the game. We're talking about a 16 digit code... not some plutonian formula. A judge is going to say.. ahem you accepted that code, and therefore you have accepted liability for providing the game. If it turns out later that there was a problem with the code, you do not have the right to go back to the consumer. It was your responsibility to do whatever it took with the game developer to insure that the code was legitimate before you accepted it from the end user.

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Do either of you honestly have a legitimate response to this? Or anyone for that matter? LIke I said Im not trying to argue with you, I'd be happy and satisfied if you made a valid point and I'd have no problem in admitting your right, if in fact you are.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0&list=LLMpsKf2Gh5ZaOzOuxbywdhA

I know the mods are going to hate me for this... but it's the only thing, at this point, that makes any sense to me.

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Thanks I laughed hard...