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About "Young Gamers"
Why do underage gamers never get respect from other elder players? (except that kid from minecraft, everybody loves him)
And why do players automatically assume that if you are 15 below you only play COD and shouldn't be considered a gamer? Really sucks as an "almost millenium kid"
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screw people who hate us young gamers if it wasnt for young people we wouldnt have the games we have today plus i bet you where all young and gaming at one point
This is your post people like you are the reason i play Skyrim and as far as being young once go back to school take modern history and you will find that pre 1998 we had no MMO's and kids like you would not have even had a computer so in your toung STFU and have a Pepsi.

I stick to single player mostly too. However, I think you need to go back to history class too. Perhaps one of the first commercial MMOs was Neverwinter Nights on AOL in the early 1990s. There were plenty of ASCII and Text games, but I think NWN was the first to bring "modern" graphics (Gold Box DND) to on-line play.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neverwinter_Nights_(MMORPG)

p.s. That link is broken because it ends with a ). Well, it will get you close enough.
Последно редактиран от Cheechako; 14 ноем. 2013 в 3:53
Most young kids on here are immature and annoying. That would be why.
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It's not that I dislike younger gamers, I just tend to play games that attract different gamers. Games like Rainbow Six and Ghost Recon (not the garbage published after Rogue Spear or Island Thunder) tend to attract a different gamer compared to what many of you play. The teens that played on my server, even when we used mics, were all business like once the round started. The fact that we also played a lot of Coop played a big part of how people acted too I think.

It's truly amazing how many people cannot play well with others. Left 4 Dead 2 is another one where teamwork is a must. Even when the game explicitly says "TEAMWORK", there's always some kid wandering off trying to be Rambo.

Първоначално публикувано от WhiteKnight77:
When it comes to idiots like this kid, he would have lost that XBox for a long time if it were my kid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnewmBXu0gQ

Good Christ. That Xbox would be the subject of a craigslist For Sale ad in my household. Though, I have daughters, so they'd gladly give up the xbox...just DONT TAKE THEIR PHONES.
LOL. If they misused their phones, they would lose them too in my house. I guess it is just the way my parents raised me. I may have wanted a lot, doesn't mean I got it. I loved to build model airplanes as a teen, I had to buy them myself. My first console was Pong. 7 years after it was first released and I bought it at a garage sale. I would not buy my teens a phone (I don't have any kids right now though) outside of one that could go in their bedroom that plugs into the wall. Am I an a**? Maybe, but they will learn that things just do not grow on trees and that if they buy something, they are more likely to take care of it better than if someone bought it for them.
Първоначално публикувано от darkgaming:
screw people who hate us young gamers if it wasnt for young people we wouldnt have the games we have today plus i bet you where all young and gaming at one point

Sure, I was young once, but the only video game available when I was a kid was Pong and not everyone had one. Some of us watched the evolution of gaming from vector graphics (Asteroids) to 3d graphics that we have today. Some of us still played outside with friends instead of plopping down in front of the TV and just play games that turned everyone unsociable and not able to interact with others which in turn leads to girl help threads elsewhere. :blink:
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It's truly amazing how many people cannot play well with others. Left 4 Dead 2 is another one where teamwork is a must. Even when the game explicitly says "TEAMWORK", there's always some kid wandering off trying to be Rambo.



Good Christ. That Xbox would be the subject of a craigslist For Sale ad in my household. Though, I have daughters, so they'd gladly give up the xbox...just DONT TAKE THEIR PHONES.
LOL. If they misused their phones, they would lose them too in my house. I guess it is just the way my parents raised me. I may have wanted a lot, doesn't mean I got it. I loved to build model airplanes as a teen, I had to buy them myself. My first console was Pong. 7 years after it was first released and I bought it at a garage sale. I would not buy my teens a phone (I don't have any kids right now though) outside of one that could go in their bedroom that plugs into the wall. Am I an a**? Maybe, but they will learn that things just do not grow on trees and that if they buy something, they are more likely to take care of it better than if someone bought it for them.
I couldn't agree more. I was raised the exact same way, mostly due to a lack of cash but also due to principle. I didn't get my first console, a PSX (original, fat PS1), until I was about 10 and that was a hand-me-down from my older sister who bought it out of her salary. My first handheld, a Gameboy Color, was bought second hand during the same year out of my pocket money, around £1 a week. As a result, I treat all my posessions so well they last for years, not months. This is because I know if it breaks, chances are I won't get another one for at least a year! I'd treat my own kids the same way, want something? Get it yourself or go without. Too many kids (no offence to the parents who do spoil their kids) are spoilt brats who have literally no concept of monetary value or ownership. Their mentality is "Oh well, if I break it, mummy or daddy will buy me a new one." and the sad reality is, this is true!

Edit: I spent my time drawing. colouring in, writing and reading before I had any game consoles. I'll admit games actually wrecked that for me, I never read a novel anymore, I only write when I have to (for college etc.) and I rarely draw or colour in anymore despite being a character designer! I always get distracted by wanting to play a game instead.
Последно редактиран от Kamifox1; 15 ноем. 2013 в 12:15
Първоначално публикувано от WhiteKnight77:
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It's truly amazing how many people cannot play well with others. Left 4 Dead 2 is another one where teamwork is a must. Even when the game explicitly says "TEAMWORK", there's always some kid wandering off trying to be Rambo.



Good Christ. That Xbox would be the subject of a craigslist For Sale ad in my household. Though, I have daughters, so they'd gladly give up the xbox...just DONT TAKE THEIR PHONES.
LOL. If they misused their phones, they would lose them too in my house. I guess it is just the way my parents raised me. I may have wanted a lot, doesn't mean I got it. I loved to build model airplanes as a teen, I had to buy them myself. My first console was Pong. 7 years after it was first released and I bought it at a garage sale. I would not buy my teens a phone (I don't have any kids right now though) outside of one that could go in their bedroom that plugs into the wall. Am I an a**? Maybe, but they will learn that things just do not grow on trees and that if they buy something, they are more likely to take care of it better than if someone bought it for them.

You raise a great point. Kids should have hobbies, damnit. Facebook and SMS don't count. Preferably something they do with their hands -- building, crafting, shaping, whatever. Give them a chance to make something on their own.

Five years from now, when my second daughter is off to college, is she going to remember what some clown said on a facebook post? Nope. She will remember that clay vase she made with her mom during a craft fair though.
Kids should read more these days.
Първоначално публикувано от kamifox1:
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LOL. If they misused their phones, they would lose them too in my house. I guess it is just the way my parents raised me. I may have wanted a lot, doesn't mean I got it. I loved to build model airplanes as a teen, I had to buy them myself. My first console was Pong. 7 years after it was first released and I bought it at a garage sale. I would not buy my teens a phone (I don't have any kids right now though) outside of one that could go in their bedroom that plugs into the wall. Am I an a**? Maybe, but they will learn that things just do not grow on trees and that if they buy something, they are more likely to take care of it better than if someone bought it for them.
I couldn't agree more. I was raised the exact same way, mostly due to a lack of cash but also due to principle. I didn't get my first console, a PSX (original, fat PS1), until I was about 10 and that was a hand-me-down from my older sister who bought it out of her salary. My first handheld, a Gameboy Color, was bought second hand during the same year out of my pocket money, around £1 a week. As a result, I treat all my posessions so well they last for years, not months. This is because I know if it breaks, chances are I won't get another one for at least a year! I'd treat my own kids the same way, want something? Get it yourself or go without. Too many kids (no offence to the parents who do spoil their kids) are spoilt brats who have literally no concept of monetary value or ownership. Their mentality is "Oh well, if I break it, mummy or daddy will buy me a new one." and the sad reality is, this is true!

Edit: I spent my time drawing. colouring in, writing and reading before I had any game consoles. I'll admit games actually wrecked that for me, I never read a novel anymore, I only write when I have to (for college etc.) and I rarely draw or colour in anymore despite being a character designer! I always get distracted by wanting to play a game instead.
LOL. I still make time to read, even if it is just in the reading room while letting mother nature do her thing though I can really start to get into it and stay longer than I should. I try to split my time between reading, watching TV, visiting forums and playing games, at least when I am not working.

Years ago, after the Columbine shooting, there was a report of a kid that went to that school who had owned a Hummer (the first one). That is a $50,000 vehicle easily. Well, the kid wrecked it. Daddy bought him another one. I just want to slap parents like that upside the head honestly.
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Hey
Is for horses. :p
Първоначално публикувано от WhiteKnight77:
Years ago, after the Columbine shooting, there was a report of a kid that went to that school who had owned a Hummer (the first one). That is a $50,000 vehicle easily. Well, the kid wrecked it. Daddy bought him another one. I just want to slap parents like that upside the head honestly.
My point exactly.
Последно редактиран от Kamifox1; 15 ноем. 2013 в 12:39
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Why do underage gamers never get respect from other elder players? (except that kid from minecraft, everybody loves him)
And why do players automatically assume that if you are 15 below you only play COD and shouldn't be considered a gamer? Really sucks as an "almost millenium kid"

First I would try and avoid words like "never" and "only."

Often young players are foul mouthed cheats which gives a bad opinion of younger players.
As well, many young players bash older more mature players for simply being old.
Don't forget, older players were once young players. And you don't stop having fun and enjoying games because you have a few birthdays.

Just remember you have to GIVE RESPECT to EARN respect from people.
There are some good younger players who are mature gamers and don't cheat or talk smack during multiplayer sessions. You just have to play nice, give respect and people will start to see it and respect you for it.
Just remember respect is a two way road for both old and young.
I've been playing PC games since the 1980's when games came on floppy discs and my computer had 640k of memory. LOL I was about 13 years old then. I'm now 37 and love gaming even more.
Personally I don't look at AGE, I look at how a gamer plays the game and treats others. That's all that matters. Honesty and Respect in all things.
Yeah, that was the point I tried to make in my first post, sorry, I'm not very good at wording things in a non-offencive or non-selfish sounding way.

As a side note, I'm 22 and enjoy gaming as much as, if not more than, when I first started around 12 years ago so I feel the exact same way about age.

I was never foul-mouthed, rude or pushy as a young gamer simply because I was raised to never behave that way. As I'm sure I said before, I prefer to blame the parents, not the kids as it's often the parents fault. I just try to teach kids the correct way in place of their parents by trying to simply tell them, doing a similar thing back (see how you like it? Sort of idea) or by reporting them therefore getting them into trouble therefore hopefully teaching them a valuable life lesson, that everyone won't let you get away with rudeness.
Първоначално публикувано от dirrtygsharp:
You raise a great point. Kids should have hobbies, damnit. Facebook and SMS don't count. Preferably something they do with their hands -- building, crafting, shaping, whatever. Give them a chance to make something on their own.

Five years from now, when my second daughter is off to college, is she going to remember what some clown said on a facebook post? Nope. She will remember that clay vase she made with her mom during a craft fair though.

Exactly. I think when most of the older crowd on here was younger, we all did more things with our hands and minds such as reading, crafting various things, planting a garden, playing outside, riding bikes, drawing/painting, or whatever. We didn't have all of these insane amounts of videogames around, and unless you were rich consoles were a rarity that you might only get to play at a friend's house, or a stand-up game at the arcade.

Now kids have facebook, twitter, Steam, Origin, Xbox live, Playstation network, netflix, and all the cable tv they want, plus nearly every one has a cell phone, so they're largely unsupervised and spending their time in idle, nonproductive pursuits. I can't honestly call these things 'hobbies' either. Parents often use these activities as a way to distract the kids now, almost as a virtual nanny, and the truth is a lot of parents have _no_ idea what is in their kids' heads (or hearts) anymore or what they actually do online. They'd be better off buying their child a Kindle for Christmas than a new Xbox console.

I read vast amounts when I was younger - basically everything I could get my hands on, every book in the house no matter whose it was I eventually read, and they took me to the public library every couple of weeks to get a new load of 50 or so books. I did a lot of drawing (cartoon characters and horses mainly, lol), beading with simple string and beads, crafted lots of things out of clay and play-doh and learned to cook. Nowadays these are rare activities for a kid, and it makes me sad how many younger people now do not know the joys of curling up in a warm chair with a blankie and a good book.
Последно редактиран от Ineffable Anathema; 16 ноем. 2013 в 1:18
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Seconding the Above Post
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When I was younger, to play most games (flight simulators were common before DOOM and WOLF3D) you needed to know how to set-up an EMS v3.2 or later page frame under DOS. You then needed to read a manual on how to pilot a particular aircraft (thinking TFX era here).

Just knowing how to use DOS required about six weeks of experience, and a moderate amount of reading. (HIMEM.SYS, EMM386.EXE, UMBs, maybe the HMA, etc.)

Games have become a turnkey experience, plug it in, turn it on, go. (Designed to be playable without the manual, although reading it would be a major help for most PG13+ and later titles).

Many 'kids' are just interested in Multi-Player, without going through Single-Player campaigns and learning the basics first. They also show no interest in reading a manual... not even a 25 page one. :-(

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They say stuff like "I am 500m from the target", which *without any bearing information or anything else* is completely useless.

They also do things like carpet bomb friendly units, etc. So their CD keys get banned *VERY* quickly on some servers.

If they're mature they can generally stay and enjoy it, the problem is when there needs to be a mass banning. In which case the administrators will just ask each one to appeal.

If they complain about appealing, then they're too immature to be on that particular server with that particular crowd.

Upon joining there should be a MOTD (Message of the Day), which contains information about appealing bans, etc. Clicking [OK] without reading a 'very light' contract is also a sign of immaturity and if you cannot appeal a wrongful ban... then complain about it... well then.

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I do happily admit that there are mature gamers who are 15 years of age or younger though.

That said, most of those who have high pitched voices, and do not know the basic compass (0 = N, 90 = E, 180 = S, 270 = W), nor understand why distance alone is a useless piece of information are generally not old enough to be playing MA15+ titles in the first place.

In which case they really ought to stick to Single Player for such titles until they are 15, or older, as the online experience is subject to change in regards to censorship laws, etc.
Последно редактиран от [AU] Tabris:DarkPeace; 16 ноем. 2013 в 2:29
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You raise a great point. Kids should have hobbies, damnit. Facebook and SMS don't count. Preferably something they do with their hands -- building, crafting, shaping, whatever. Give them a chance to make something on their own.

Five years from now, when my second daughter is off to college, is she going to remember what some clown said on a facebook post? Nope. She will remember that clay vase she made with her mom during a craft fair though.

(snip lack of hobbies and hands-on activity for space)

I read vast amounts when I was younger - basically everything I could get my hands on, every book in the house no matter whose it was I eventually read, and they took me to the public library every couple of weeks to get a new load of 50 or so books. I did a lot of drawing (cartoon characters and horses mainly, lol), beading with simple string and beads, crafted lots of things out of clay and play-doh and learned to cook. Nowadays these are rare activities for a kid, and it makes me sad how many younger people now do not know the joys of curling up in a warm chair with a blankie and a good book.

That's the big challenge. The Internet seems to be making "skimming" the new reading. Deep reading is going the way of the wristwatch or the walkman. Why deep read when you can click, click, click your way through five times as much material? So what if you don't recall it a day later? By then, there are new links to click on!

Thumbs up on the warm chair. Mine is a cool lazy-boy but the same effect is achieved. It's cozy, comfortable, and suitable for long bouts of reading.

Did you ever check out so many books that when the due date came, you couldn't decide which ones to take back? I must have racked up tens of dollars worth of overdue fees back in the day.
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