NATURE 2013 年 9 月 23 日 上午 10:07
SteamOS what do you think about it ?
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Deadlylag 2013 年 12 月 25 日 下午 11:57 
引用自 olo123 #BOXING DAY
I'm wondering, will other game services work on steam os (origin)?

It should if the clients are design for Linux. If the client is window base only you have to use Wine or PlayOnLinux to make the window app work on Linux. In some cases not perfect tho.

SteamOS IMO will hopefully be a good introduction to the Linux world for most people.

If you're going to install another OS like Linux in your computer. I highly recommend buying a new HD and install the OS on it. Do not dual boot on one HD. Valve should make it clear IMO. It will save a lot of frustration and tech support for first time users to the Linux world.
最后由 Deadlylag 编辑于; 2013 年 12 月 25 日 下午 11:57
cristescuio 2013 年 12 月 26 日 上午 1:59 
crap
Grigoar 2013 年 12 月 26 日 上午 2:34 
Can't wait to see how the local cloud gaming works.
Xayah 2013 年 12 月 26 日 上午 2:42 
Can't wait.
mrgaribaldi 2013 年 12 月 26 日 上午 4:49 
Seems interesting
myst3r552 * CSGOSKINS 2013 年 12 月 26 日 上午 4:51 
I'm waiting for a full verison
*****User5671089 2013 年 12 月 26 日 下午 3:25 
Ya, the last release I installed of SteamOS wasn't anything to check out yet. It too early, best to wait for a stable release. That is unless the thought of installing a new uncharted Debian OS turns you on... (I like the pretty pixels).
KaliTrin23 2013 年 12 月 26 日 下午 7:47 
I'm waiting for the altha version.
BuzzardBee 2013 年 12 月 27 日 上午 1:12 
引用自 Nya`
I think it's a waste of time for something most people will probably never use, this just goes to show Newell's distaste for the direction Windows has headed and I think he's being completely dramatic.

^^This. My thoughts exactly. I see no point or need for it.
MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™ 2013 年 12 月 27 日 下午 9:06 
引用自 andersonev123
引用自 oneonyourface

I think te very fact of running linux opens up so many options. They will be able to respond to whatever the user base demands

agreed but what i think everyone seems to be getting away from is the fact that SteamOS is not designed as a desktop operating system or replacement, I can understand everyones gripes with the total hardware cost of the test units Valve are currently sending out, but this doesnt really reflect much in terms of the direction they are probably going to follow, I wouldn't be surprised if after launch and saturation the cost of entry on to the platform was somewhere around 50-60 dollars more than the leading consoles. (I would consider this acceptable).

I anticipate the stereotypical first adopter to probably fit into a certain niche:

"Already owns a high end desktop and looking to replace an aged console within the living room."

which brings me on to why SteamOS is actually indeed a very good thing for PC gamers, everytime you decide to upgrade your pc hardware you can reuse your existing parts in your living room Steam Machine (excluding chipset differences, and technology barriers obviously) and due to the more rapid upgrade path of PC gamers over Console manufacturers (most consoles now have 10 year lifecycles) the performance levels of the average Steam Machine will always be higher.

Again no, the issue is that you are kind of making the case why this doesn't work, if steam machines are cobbled from old spare parts its a very second rate market, you go from low install base to extremely old hardware and you just are telling devs one thing, there isn't much money to be made there. You get scrap money from scrap market.

The problem with steam os is that it doesn't find a way to harness the power of pc in the living room. It just throws it away to boot into a steam store. So beyond the niche you just won't find the people to buy the machines because there is no value proposition there.
MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™ 2013 年 12 月 27 日 下午 9:15 
引用自 logun24x7
引用自 Nyphrodel
I told my daughter 3 years ago that they were holding out on HL3 so they could have a strong launch title for when they released the "STEAMBOX". Now they come out with this new OS and it scares the hell out of me. I always had such faith in STEAM, but it seems to me that they are just as guilty as M$ and $ONY. It's just forcing us to buy hardware/software, so with or without this new OS, we'll still need "The Box" to play their "exclusive" games. It smells like blackmail to me. Shame on you VALVE...

I can see why you would think that with companies like Microsoft and Sony fish hooking consumers into buying there crap hardware just to have access to a handful of exclusive games …that’s not how Valve rolls. And you don’t need special hardware to play SteamOS games or even the SteamOS you can boot into any free Distribution of Linux (Mint or Ubuntu) right now and play Linux based games.

The below statements from Valve alone made me respect them as a company that I want to support.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/11/04/half-life-3-other-future-valve-games-wont-be-exclusive-to-steamos/

Valve's Greg Comer says “you won’t see an exclusive killer app for SteamOS from us," in an interview with IGN. "We’re not going to be doing that kind of thing."

When we last heard of the Half-Life franchise, its status was still frustratingly uncertain. If Valve ever wanted a killer app for its new OS, Half-Life 3 would be the go-to game. But that line of thinking doesn't line up with the company's plans for SteamOS.

Valve's Anna Sweet "That would go against our whole philosophy, to launch something that’s exclusive to SteamOS or Steam machines,” She doesn't just mean Valve games, either, but any third-party game from publishers or developers who have the resources to launch its games on other platforms.

Of course, Valve acknowledges that this doesn't include indie developers who don't have the resources to launch their games on anything other than Steam, but Sweet says that

Valve's Anna Sweet "whenever we talk to third-party partners, we encourage them to put their games in as many places as possible, including not on our platforms."

Sorry but thats just wrong.

Its like me saying I'll let Shaq win when we play 1:1 basketball because I'm such a nice guy.

Valve has NO chance of running an exclusive because the market for steambox is so tiny that it would condemn that game as a financial failure. Its not a noble position to take when you really never had the option. I'll give credit where credit is due but not on this. They lose nothing saying such things. If they had said something like half life 3 can install without use of steam client or something anti their own drm, I'd give them kudos because that would be against their own vested interests. But in this case you are just buying their PR hook line and sinker.
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naf 2013 年 12 月 27 日 下午 9:56 
Fantastic so far. And it's got the added benefit of getting AMD and nVidia to finally improve their Linux drivers.
logun24x7 2013 年 12 月 28 日 上午 7:34 
引用自 logun24x7

I can see why you would think that with companies like Microsoft and Sony fish hooking consumers into buying there crap hardware just to have access to a handful of exclusive games …that’s not how Valve rolls. And you don’t need special hardware to play SteamOS games or even the SteamOS you can boot into any free Distribution of Linux (Mint or Ubuntu) right now and play Linux based games.

The below statements from Valve alone made me respect them as a company that I want to support.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/11/04/half-life-3-other-future-valve-games-wont-be-exclusive-to-steamos/

Valve's Greg Comer says “you won’t see an exclusive killer app for SteamOS from us," in an interview with IGN. "We’re not going to be doing that kind of thing."

When we last heard of the Half-Life franchise, its status was still frustratingly uncertain. If Valve ever wanted a killer app for its new OS, Half-Life 3 would be the go-to game. But that line of thinking doesn't line up with the company's plans for SteamOS.

Valve's Anna Sweet "That would go against our whole philosophy, to launch something that’s exclusive to SteamOS or Steam machines,” She doesn't just mean Valve games, either, but any third-party game from publishers or developers who have the resources to launch its games on other platforms.

Of course, Valve acknowledges that this doesn't include indie developers who don't have the resources to launch their games on anything other than Steam, but Sweet says that

Valve's Anna Sweet "whenever we talk to third-party partners, we encourage them to put their games in as many places as possible, including not on our platforms."

Sorry but thats just wrong.

Its like me saying I'll let Shaq win when we play 1:1 basketball because I'm such a nice guy.

Valve has NO chance of running an exclusive because the market for steambox is so tiny that it would condemn that game as a financial failure. Its not a noble position to take when you really never had the option. I'll give credit where credit is due but not on this. They lose nothing saying such things. If they had said something like half life 3 can install without use of steam client or something anti their own drm, I'd give them kudos because that would be against their own vested interests. But in this case you are just buying their PR hook line and sinker.

Don’t be silly, exclusive titles are not about making money on the software, they’re about selling hardware. Microsoft and Sony do it all the time. Sony just released killzone and Knack to less than a million potential customers on the PS4 and Microsoft did the same with Dead Rising 3 and Ryse on the Xbone.

That’s the whole point of exclusive titles is to put out that killer game that everyone wants, but the only way to play it is to invest in the hardware. Microsoft and Sony gladly take the loss on the game to hook you into the hardware because their business model is to charge 3rd party developers royalty fees for the privilege to release titles on their system.

When publishing for game consoles a royalty for every game manufactured is paid at the time of manufacturing. It’s imperative to Sony and Microsoft that they install their consoles in as many homes as possible to turn a profit with royalty fees on the games being manufactured for their consoles. And still the console divisions of Sony and Microsoft lost billions on the last generation of consoles.

The fact is there’s no point in Valve making an exclusive for Steam Machines, for one they’re just Linux games and you don’t need proprietary hardware or even the SteamOS to run them. If you’re a PC gamer you likely already have the hardware, and the Linux OS is free to download.
andersonev123 2013 年 12 月 28 日 上午 7:54 
引用自 andersonev123

agreed but what i think everyone seems to be getting away from is the fact that SteamOS is not designed as a desktop operating system or replacement, I can understand everyones gripes with the total hardware cost of the test units Valve are currently sending out, but this doesnt really reflect much in terms of the direction they are probably going to follow, I wouldn't be surprised if after launch and saturation the cost of entry on to the platform was somewhere around 50-60 dollars more than the leading consoles. (I would consider this acceptable).

I anticipate the stereotypical first adopter to probably fit into a certain niche:

"Already owns a high end desktop and looking to replace an aged console within the living room."

which brings me on to why SteamOS is actually indeed a very good thing for PC gamers, everytime you decide to upgrade your pc hardware you can reuse your existing parts in your living room Steam Machine (excluding chipset differences, and technology barriers obviously) and due to the more rapid upgrade path of PC gamers over Console manufacturers (most consoles now have 10 year lifecycles) the performance levels of the average Steam Machine will always be higher.

Again no, the issue is that you are kind of making the case why this doesn't work, if steam machines are cobbled from old spare parts its a very second rate market, you go from low install base to extremely old hardware and you just are telling devs one thing, there isn't much money to be made there. You get scrap money from scrap market.

The problem with steam os is that it doesn't find a way to harness the power of pc in the living room. It just throws it away to boot into a steam store. So beyond the niche you just won't find the people to buy the machines because there is no value proposition there.

your just generally one of those people that is constantly negative arent you...... its not a second rate market to the consoles already in the living room, and that is the point. steam os is "not" (getting tired of repeating it now) a desktop os or meant to replace pc gaming, its main purpose is to bring the Valve competitive pricing model to the living room and that is its biggest advantage over the current market.
Palta 2013 年 12 月 28 日 下午 5:20 
引用自 Xaxus
I'm waiting for a full verison
me too, i'm not going to arrase my disk content, i'm waiting for it
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