SteamOS what do you think about it ?

[NATURE]

http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamOS/

-Valve’s SteamOS is now free to download

-Download SteamOS here:
http://repo.steampowered.com/download/

http://store.steampowered.com/steamos/

-SteamOS FAQ
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamuniverse/discussions/1/648814395741989999/

[logun24x7]

MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™ eredeti hozzászólása:

logun24x7 eredeti hozzászólása:

So the digital store you log into when you turn on your PS4, Xbone, Apple device or even Windows 8 now, doesn’t bother you? If you’re all self-righteous about DRM, man your worlds getting smaller my friend.

Big difference here is I don’t need the Steam Store, SteamOS or a Steam Machine to play Linux games, I can load up any FREE Linux Debian based distribution and still play Linux games without ever looking at Steam.

Steam is a choice,.. Linux gaming is not handcuffed to Steam. Now tell me how many options for digital downloads do you have for your Xbone or PS4.

You make that choice to play in a walled garden on a console becuase the price is worth it. You get a machine that can play AAA games for a decade.

You really are bending over backwards to defend this. The benefit of linux is openess, but steam is anything but open. So you effectively are applying the same lockdown as consoles on a pc, and pretending thats a selling point for some reason, and thats the problem.

What current consoles offer is day one antiquated hardware you’re locked into for a decade. Little choice of game input devices, little support for user generated content and little options for upgrading your hardware. In a decade your phone will have more computing power then a console you buy today …..LOL

I don’t think you can see the future, and I’m sure Valve is going to do all they can to see AAA titles developed for Valve’s Linux Steam Machines. I just see it as a good thing that Living room gamers will have a console option that lets them use the game input device of their choice, run or make a game mod, and have the option to upgrade when they choose to.

The spin-off bonus is we’ll see PC like devices being shipped with Linux for people to experiment with and learn about. To be perfectly honest with you I guess my personal stake in this is I think Microsoft has jumped the Shark and lost their way with Windows 8. To rub salt into the wounds a bit deeper they are now offering software to only 8.1 users and that feels like Microsoft taking a big dump on the 47% of users still supporting them by using Windows 7. So if Valve helped Linux swoop in and grab up 25% or so of Windows market share it might just get Microsoft back on the tracks.

I just don’t see anything to defend, you seem to want to paint Valve as the Devil or condemn them for wanting to expand Linux into a PC gaming platform. I see that as a good thing for PC gaming enthusiasts.

No, they’re not applying the same lock downs because Steam/Valve will never have sole distribution rights over Linux gaming. Even the SteamOS lets you switch to the desktop and browse the internet for alternate sources for Linux games.

I’m not sure why you’re trying to paint Valve as the bad guys, there’s lots of room in the PC and Gaming market for another successful gaming platform and competition always brings consumers a better product.

[Thorburn]

Had a go at installing the OS on my spare system and put a bit of a video together. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkzsIrf7LDE

As other have said, be careful if you give it a try, the install process in automatic mode will literally erase your hard drive without asking ANY questions. Fortunately I tested it out on a spare system, but it will only install on PCs that can do a UEFI mode boot so pre-Sandy Bridge machines are probably out, and at present they only support NVIDIA graphics cards.

System I tried it with was a Haswell Core i7 with a GeForce GT430 and everything seemed to work pretty much flawlessly, other than having to switch my audio output from HDMI to analogue output for my capture card.

Tested with Super Meat Boy and Portal and both worked straight off, no fiddling required. Literally just installed the OS, logged in to Steam, downloaded updates and then downloaded the games.

[Chas.]

CAR!NA eredeti hozzászólása:

SteamOS all the way! The minute I get my SteamOS device I am throwing my Microsoft Windows 8.1 laptop out the window!

Good luck.

Personally I don't seethe with hatred for the Microsoft corporate conspiracy. But if you "hate them for what they've done" and would prefer playing World of Goo and Surgeon Simulator to supporting the evil, evil corporations - go for it.

[Dolus]

MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™ eredeti hozzászólása:

DeadWire eredeti hozzászólása:

Unless you use any other Debian 7 based distro OR just set SteamOS to boot into the desktop of your choosing.

.....Its GNU/Linux habibi you literally can do what you want to it.

And then you are left with a huge "why" are you bothering anymore. The selling point is mostly claiming you can do things people have long already been able to do already, but have chosen not to for rational reasons.

And regardless you need to install steam, you apply a closed drm system on whatever you choose, which makes the whole ideological battle thing kind of pointless to begin with.

Oh? Steam coming to GNU/Linux has benefited every game I run under Mint 16 be they from Humble, Desura or the frickin' Software Manager. Because with Steam came better blob drivers (Nobody is ever going to game with Nouvaeu, sorry FOSS faithful) and they are even working on a better debugger and supporting development of SDL. Even if I never choose to install Steam on Linux I have benefited from the work Valve has done, as has anyone selling DRM free games.

(By the by habibi, there are DRM free and even Open Source games on Steam, the DRM is optional and up to the publisher not Valve)

[SwollenGoat]

Chaeris eredeti hozzászólása:

I think this can replace Windows: if it can run all Steam games, it means the compatibility is close to be full, it means that any program should be able to run.
So Origin MAY run (use a virtual machine to check that OS), for example.
But for me, it HAS to replace Windows:
This SteamOS is free and Open Source, just check out my avatar, just see what I think of it:
I see in SteamOS the perspective of a new digital world, a world where BUG #1 is FIXED!

Er, I don't think Steam is meant to be binary compatible with Windows software. It runs Steam games that are supported on the Linux platform. That's all.

But It would have been great if they had put an emulation layer in place for running games that are only available on the Windows platform... ala Crossover... then provided testing to ensure that Windows games distributed via Steam worked flawlessly before releasing.

[Axis]

Very concerned about the learning curve for my non-linux friends

[SwollenGoat]

Axis eredeti hozzászólása:

Very concerned about the learning curve for my non-linux friends

Like the millions of people who use Android devices? Or how about Apple products that are Unix-based operating systems as well?

[*****User5671089]

Ubuntu is so easy Linux. SteamOS reminds me of a linux distro I bought in 2001. 1000 page manual. 2 hours to setup a 3d desktop driver.

[MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™]

logun24x7 eredeti hozzászólása:

MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™ eredeti hozzászólása:

You make that choice to play in a walled garden on a console becuase the price is worth it. You get a machine that can play AAA games for a decade.

You really are bending over backwards to defend this. The benefit of linux is openess, but steam is anything but open. So you effectively are applying the same lockdown as consoles on a pc, and pretending thats a selling point for some reason, and thats the problem.

What current consoles offer is day one antiquated hardware you’re locked into for a decade. Little choice of game input devices, little support for user generated content and little options for upgrading your hardware. In a decade your phone will have more computing power then a console you buy today …..LOL

I don’t think you can see the future, and I’m sure Valve is going to do all they can to see AAA titles developed for Valve’s Linux Steam Machines. I just see it as a good thing that Living room gamers will have a console option that lets them use the game input device of their choice, run or make a game mod, and have the option to upgrade when they choose to.

The spin-off bonus is we’ll see PC like devices being shipped with Linux for people to experiment with and learn about. To be perfectly honest with you I guess my personal stake in this is I think Microsoft has jumped the Shark and lost their way with Windows 8. To rub salt into the wounds a bit deeper they are now offering software to only 8.1 users and that feels like Microsoft taking a big dump on the 47% of users still supporting them by using Windows 7. So if Valve helped Linux swoop in and grab up 25% or so of Windows market share it might just get Microsoft back on the tracks.

I just don’t see anything to defend, you seem to want to paint Valve as the Devil or condemn them for wanting to expand Linux into a PC gaming platform. I see that as a good thing for PC gaming enthusiasts.

No, they’re not applying the same lock downs because Steam/Valve will never have sole distribution rights over Linux gaming. Even the SteamOS lets you switch to the desktop and browse the internet for alternate sources for Linux games.

I’m not sure why you’re trying to paint Valve as the bad guys, there’s lots of room in the PC and Gaming market for another successful gaming platform and competition always brings consumers a better product.

What consoles offer right now is simplicity and a unified platform. There are 76million 360's out there a lone, all the same, so any tweaks made are a garranteed benefit for millions of users, developers time is justified.

Pc hardware is not antiquated because we always spend to upgrade. As I said before a 2005 360 can play AAA titles today, a 2005 pc can barely run a browser.

Theres little choice of controllers? Last time I checked there was no xbox one connect for the pc at all. Having a mouse and keyboard in the living room doesn't work in any case. Point of console is a simple solution, not the ultimate solution at an unlimited price.

I can't see the future, but I can see the facts. Valve can want AAA titles all they want but the
are working against reality. Devs don't port many games to the pc why...because pc sales are abysmal compared to console. You think that valve can convince them in any long term way to develop for a niche of a niche? I just don't think so especially when those sales would surely be cannibalized from pc. Theres just no way steam os skus will be separate from windows, or else the whining about people buying a game for their steam os and then not being able to play it on their windows machine would start. So basically there is no additional profit there to be made, just more work for devs.

Again, I don't think you know or they know what this is if you think that people should "experiement" with their "console" to learn linux. If you want to learn linux today the most effective way is to install linux via virtualbox, entirely free and impossible to damage. Its misguided to think that booting people into a walled store garden is a way to get them into learning an os. It just doesn't, not in any real way, and if they had to just to use it, then it ceases to be a functioning console.

I don't paint valve as the devil, I paint it as what it is. You seem to want to ignore what valve is because you are blinded by linux religion, but oddly contradictory linux religion where you don't care about the principles of linux, and just the result. Basically I get the impression you are desperate to win an os battle at any cost, to convert is the only consideration.

It doesn't matter what lockdowns are around, games ARE locked down to steam, its simple as that.

I don't paint a picture of any "bad guys", I just don't like it when people buy into hype and then become unquestioning unpaid pawns of corporations.

[SwollenGoat]

Schotz eredeti hozzászólása:

Ubuntu is so easy Linux. SteamOS reminds me of a linux distro I bought in 2001. 1000 page manual. 2 hours to setup a 3d desktop driver.

Care to elaborate?

[MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™]

Merri eredeti hozzászólása:

MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™ eredeti hozzászólása:

Pc hardware is not antiquated because we always spend to upgrade. As I said before a 2005 360 can play AAA titles today, a 2005 pc can barely run a browser.

Will people PLEASE stop spreading these lies? "Old Computers" are not nearly as incapable as people claim they are. It's just the "corporate brainwashing" that convinces the rabble "you always need new... new... new!!!"

*Small point, PC ports are typically the laziest most resource consuming POS versions of the game. And the ignorant rabble will turn all graphics settings as high as possible (Higher than the Console Version actually puts out) and then complain about "lag."



*Second Point
I find it astonishing how very few PC Gamers bother to optimize their system. Having more than 20 active running processes at start is atrocious; yet I see many people with over 100... too ignorant to even ask "why is there spybars on my computer."

The so called "20% increase in performance" can be translated to "Optimized the System." And for how much urine PC Gamers douse console users with; wanting to go to a "console type OS" that holds your hand is rather hypocritical.


So when someone says how bad their old computer was... I say "you're obviously computer illiterate and likely never bothered to turn off the dozens of useless services; never use a complete uninstaller to remove the shared dll weight, probably install every plugin... and are complaining about a "slow system".

2005 gaming rig on a budget
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/The-500-Gaming-Machine,1147-3.html
Its just simple truth even if people fail to remember how things really were.

Old computer like that IS incapable of doing anything worth while in gaming. It does not compare to the fact that you can still in fact play AAA titles on an old 360.


It doesn't matter how much "optmizing" you do to a 1.8ghz athlon single core, its dirt slow.

[*****User5671089]

Ya but the toolbars were free. who cares if they install malware on my pc. I'm collecting toolbars, they are so pretty and sometimes I get free popup adverts! I love malware too I backup every bit of viruses and malware since I signed up for AOL and Norton Internet Security back in 99. Sometimes they download coupons for chinese colored snow in bulk pricing. I'm keeping all my toolbars and malware, CNET says the downloads are safe and I trust them and Norton. I love Norton, it makes my computer run so much faster.

[Dolus]

MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™ just idlin eredeti hozzászólása:

logun24x7 eredeti hozzászólása:

What current consoles offer is day one antiquated hardware you’re locked into for a decade. Little choice of game input devices, little support for user generated content and little options for upgrading your hardware. In a decade your phone will have more computing power then a console you buy today …..LOL

I don’t think you can see the future, and I’m sure Valve is going to do all they can to see AAA titles developed for Valve’s Linux Steam Machines. I just see it as a good thing that Living room gamers will have a console option that lets them use the game input device of their choice, run or make a game mod, and have the option to upgrade when they choose to.

The spin-off bonus is we’ll see PC like devices being shipped with Linux for people to experiment with and learn about. To be perfectly honest with you I guess my personal stake in this is I think Microsoft has jumped the Shark and lost their way with Windows 8. To rub salt into the wounds a bit deeper they are now offering software to only 8.1 users and that feels like Microsoft taking a big dump on the 47% of users still supporting them by using Windows 7. So if Valve helped Linux swoop in and grab up 25% or so of Windows market share it might just get Microsoft back on the tracks.

I just don’t see anything to defend, you seem to want to paint Valve as the Devil or condemn them for wanting to expand Linux into a PC gaming platform. I see that as a good thing for PC gaming enthusiasts.

No, they’re not applying the same lock downs because Steam/Valve will never have sole distribution rights over Linux gaming. Even the SteamOS lets you switch to the desktop and browse the internet for alternate sources for Linux games.

I’m not sure why you’re trying to paint Valve as the bad guys, there’s lots of room in the PC and Gaming market for another successful gaming platform and competition always brings consumers a better product.

What consoles offer right now is simplicity and a unified platform. There are 76million 360's out there a lone, all the same, so any tweaks made are a garranteed benefit for millions of users, developers time is justified.

Pc hardware is not antiquated because we always spend to upgrade. As I said before a 2005 360 can play AAA titles today, a 2005 pc can barely run a browser.

Theres little choice of controllers? Last time I checked there was no xbox one connect for the pc at all. Having a mouse and keyboard in the living room doesn't work in any case. Point of console is a simple solution, not the ultimate solution at an unlimited price.

I can't see the future, but I can see the facts. Valve can want AAA titles all they want but the
are working against reality. Devs don't port many games to the pc why...because pc sales are abysmal compared to console. You think that valve can convince them in any long term way to develop for a niche of a niche? I just don't think so especially when those sales would surely be cannibalized from pc. Theres just no way steam os skus will be separate from windows, or else the whining about people buying a game for their steam os and then not being able to play it on their windows machine would start. So basically there is no additional profit there to be made, just more work for devs.

Again, I don't think you know or they know what this is if you think that people should "experiement" with their "console" to learn linux. If you want to learn linux today the most effective way is to install linux via virtualbox, entirely free and impossible to damage. Its misguided to think that booting people into a walled store garden is a way to get them into learning an os. It just doesn't, not in any real way, and if they had to just to use it, then it ceases to be a functioning console.

I don't paint valve as the devil, I paint it as what it is. You seem to want to ignore what valve is because you are blinded by linux religion, but oddly contradictory linux religion where you don't care about the principles of linux, and just the result. Basically I get the impression you are desperate to win an os battle at any cost, to convert is the only consideration.

It doesn't matter what lockdowns are around, games ARE locked down to steam, its simple as that.

I don't paint a picture of any "bad guys", I just don't like it when people buy into hype and then become unquestioning unpaid pawns of corporations.

You think there are 78 Million WORKING 360s right now? Thats even more silly than your PC vs Consoles sales BS ( The sources you are so fond of citing do not track digital sales....why do you think Minecraft was never listed once since 2010?). And as for controls, I got my Dual Shock 4 working fine in Linux and WIndows.....Its called wireless habibi, who needs ports?

[「cλs」]

rlly bad os... before 3-5 years it would nice... but at 2013/4 its still wrong

[Dolus]

L0CALNET eredeti hozzászólása:

DeadWire eredeti hozzászólása:

You think there are 78 Million WORKING 360s right now?

I'm just gonna jump into this conversation for a sec.
"Xbox 360: 80 Million Sold and Counting"
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/10/17/xbox-360-80-million-sold-and-counting

Depending on your term of "working", he could be correct. It all depends on what "working" means in your comment. For some, 'working' means an actively-used device. For others, 'working' means a device that works, but isn't used. For others, 'working' simply means anything that can be turned on and function in a semi-normal way.

The Xbox 360 has the 2nd highest failure rate of any console ever to exist. So there is no way nearly all 80 million of them are even functional let alone in use.