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I havent heard that you can. so might it will just kick off cos of hype but it will soon go down in users i should think.
Do any of the Linux hippies clamoring for Steam OS even have the slightest clue about the copyleft principles that Valve must abide by?
There still isn't, even if sony had allowed the ps3 to run some games in linux, the truth of the matter is that was a redundant feature, there isn't much point to installing another os to be able to access the games you could already run.
Whats actually been lacking is the install base or even the desire of normal consumers to switch to linux. It says something when you offer something for free and even then, people didn't bother.
And why? As with pc, the mobile devices are not bought for gaming, but the gaming comes as a free bonus. Its why the steambox concept is problematic, asking people to buy dedicated hardware is hard to justify, and thats the purpose for steam os, otherwise its just as I said before..redundant.
Thats the thing, its not very narrow, the install base of consoles is on a different scale, there are over 100 million wii's out there alone. Thats the point, and why pc gaming has suffered, the freedom = freedom to pirate and the rest, thats the problem with pc, not windows vs linux.
Can you imagine a world where your windows or even linux program doesn't run on a mac?;)
Again, you fail to take into context the actual scale of the gaming market. There are 100 million wii's alone. A few thousand "content" creators on steam has little meaning in terms of driving a market. Most pc users are driven by eye candy, many resort to settling for less because of money, thats pretty much it. There are few millionaires out there playing their games in dx8 mode because they refuse to upgrade;) And thats yet another problem with pc's, struggling to find the correct configuration so you can play those games on a 3-5 year old pc...the balancing act of finding the "good enough" setting is not user friendly. I dont' doubt the next gen consoles struggle on some poorly coded games right now, cod ghosts struggles on pc even because of how bad it is, but look at the history, insanely beautful games eventually came out on the xbox 360 and ps3, incredible graphics when you take into account what they have to work with, they now have game engines that can render cities without choking, streaming content in constantly...this didn't exist for most games when they were new on the market so many years ago...things will only get better and all those consumers need to do is press the on button, no configuration nightmares or upgrades. Thats the price and advantage of consoles.
Yea but they aren't, the hassle exists regardless when you are dealing with pc hardware and open hardware configurations.
Its absolutely not the best of both worlds, its the worst of both worlds. Pc's advantage is that its open, and you can upgrade on a whim, that comes at the price of it sometimes being a nightmare to handle, and also it comes with the price of staying on that upgrade treadmill. Fixed configuration steambox won't work because it will rapidly go out of date, and no one will develop for it, basically the worst of both worlds.
Again, no, because people don't have unlimited money in this economy. Faced with the actual choice of either upgrading their main rig to be awesome or buying some mediocre hardware for their living room which will rapidly go obsolete like their main rig... I think they will upgrade their main rig instead. Theres a huge amount of headroom for upgrading on pc, thats its ultimate advantage, you can go sli, you can go multimonitor, and you can even justify it as a productivity booster, you can't do that when you buy a second pc for the living room. A second pc is a burden, a financial burden when it comes to gaming, because we run on the upgrade treadmill, if you have 2 pc's, you get to run on two treadmills at once, fun! This is entirely different from building a htpc or such, it doesn't matter how out of date that thing gets, as long as it plays 1080p video who cares, its not like that for gaming. Once people see the price, the cost, they will balk at this option of steambox. Nothings free, and if you are loaded and you a nvidia titan running for your htpc already, you already have steam and all the games running, no steambox or steam os necessary.
The average steam user has plenty of upgrades left, most as you saw in the steam survey are on middling years old hardware. That 500 dollars for a steambox could easily upgrade their current machine into something decent, if they have something decent they can make it even better, sli, more ssds, etc. The option of settling for two mediocre systems instead of one good one just doesn't make sense.
While I agree that gamepads are inferior for many games vs mouse, I still don't see how a touchpad is superior to a joystick, the self centering tactile nature of a joystick is its one advantage, like the tactile nature of a button under your thumbs, you are sure you hit the button or trigger, whereas with any touch pad, its always murky, theres little advantage to that.
Valve is just protecting its butt, they are a store and they were deathly afraid of microsoft making it harder for them to run their incredibly profitable storefront, notice they barely put out games anymore, wheres half life 3?;) They run a store.. and this move was mostly to make sure that continues.
I’m not going to quote you as it would make the post too long but I’ll try to answer you in order that you posted.
I agree there isn’t much point in putting Linux on a PS3 or Xbox, I think this only became a talking point because I made a joke about hacking the new consoles to run SteamOS…..moving on.
Linux is the most used OS worldwide and has been adapted to run everything from smartphones to tablets to servers to bank machines, you likely use Linux every day and don’t even know it.
Sadly it’s never stood a chance in the desktop market because we’ve had Microsoft crammed down our throats for years. Microsoft has been really good at making sure your home computer came pre-installed with Windows.
If most Windows users realised just how badly they’ve been ripped off by Microsoft and the like and how easy the transition is to a Linux desktop distribution is they would have a ♥♥♥♥.
I like to show people this video of a young man going through the steps of replacing Windows and all his applications for FREE from video editing, to recording his desktop, to office to gaming. Note he does this as a complete newbee.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuTv92LOy1U
Gaming has always been Linux achilles heel, and gaming is essential to getting the early adopters and power users on board. Gabe knew this back in 1996 when he went to ID software and offered to port DOOM to windows for free.
SteamOS is being developed to run a living room dedicated gaming console like PC. Yes, its dedicated hardware for gaming just like the PS4 and the XboxOne but it can also run on current PC’s
Yes, Nintendo sold 100m wii, and 360’s sold 76m, and PS3, 78m, but worldwide last year 385 Billion dollars’ worth of desktops were sold. Steam continues to grow at an alarming rate and currently has over 65 million users. The big difference with PC’s is the platform doesn’t change every 6 to 8 years, how many of those 100 million Wii’s are collecting dust in the bottom of a closet now.
If Steam Machines make any kind of a punch into the living room market coupled with the current installed base of PC games that can easily dual boot into SteamOS it will be a market that can’t be ignored by game developers. Especially with the cost saving direct download market that Steam brings to the table.
And I can put windows and Linux on a Mac.
The only games that I’ve ever been disappointed with on PC in the way of performance have been extremely badly optimised Console ports. But with this next gen consoles more like PC’s themselves we’ll likely see less of that.
Now you’re just being negative, a Steam Machine will be no more difficult to use then the current generation of consoles that are just toy computers with a fancy name attached. You’ll plug your Steam Machine in, connect it to your TV, Make a Steam account and Play. If that’s all you want to do with it that’s fine if you want to do more, upgrade it, hook up your favorite gaming device, add application …whatever you have the freedom to do that.
I’ll stay off the controller topic since neither of us have one in hand to comment further, I’ll just say I’m glad to see some innovation in that department.
You bet there concerned about Microsoft’s attempt to make Windows a closed system where the only legal way to obtain software is through Microsoft’s Store and certification process. With Microsoft getting into hardware and this apps store business it’s clear they want to be the next Apple and control it all.
Frankly that scares me too!!!!
'Crowdfunding has proven without a doubt that there's still a huge appetite for old fashioned mouse and keyboard PC games. '
This made me laugh..
So all around I like PC better then Console gaming cause it brings together both Mouse and Keyboard games and controller games into one unit. witch is much better then only being able to use a controller.
Linux struggles on the desktop because there is no organisation to sell you the OS. It was developed to perform the tasks the user wanted, today with thousands of capable developers they developer the OS perform the tasks they require on the hardware they have. windows on the otherhand being closed and microsoft having bags of cash use a fixed desktop and make it common place, this hides the virus problem because people learn viruses are just a common thing.
and AV that takes up 0.000% resources during gaming is either broken or switched off.
The barrier is usability, not "The Corporations".
it's hardly nosense, you just highlighted another factor as to why, that does not mean the reason I have stated is false.
as for corporations.. Nvidia, AMD(ati) are 2 corporations that halt progress on linux based operating systems. These 2 companies are both well off with microsoft generous assistance, I dont blame them. this world is built on corporate greed but I could start a whole different topic here but it certainly isnt the place.