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And when you account for inflation games are much cheaper than when you think they were actually 'cheaper'. Comparing numerical $ values is meaningless without context.
As a for profit enterprise I have ot pay employees and make a profit. I'm not making games as a charity so you can play 'for cheap'. It's a non-sequitor anyway. Being cheaper has nothign to do with being 'good for the consumer'.
If I sell a game for 25% off and get a 10% uptick in sales, I just lost money doing so. You're assuming there's some kind of purely linear correlation. It's not.
That's an entirely apples to oranges comparison. And it also assumes price was the ONLY factor. As opposed to otehr factors like
A) those game being in different genres not competing for customers (compared to say BF vs CoD)
B) BF3 launch being as face meltingly bad as it was for BF4
C) That Skyrim is in fact a damn awesome game
Lets also ignore that Black Ops2 was $59.99 at launch and sold more than BF3/Skyrim
http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=black+ops+II&publisher=&platform=&genre=&minSales=0&results=200
To say price was the ONLY factor is to ignore tons of other factors taht would have driven that.
A 10% drop in price is not going to double your revenue.
not even close. The non-marketing budgets for most games are like making romatic comedies. Even GTAV's actual production budget was only $100 mill, as the other $150 was for marketing. And again that's THE MOST expensive game ever made.
And they'd be wrong. Ever wonder why the time between theatre release and blu-ray release is ever shrinking? Because movie ticket sales arent' where they make money. When you make a movie you hvae tons of otehr avenues ot make money
1) movie ticket sales, which remember is a 90/10 split for the first 2 weeks between the theatres and the movie distributor.
2) DVD sales, because again theatres take 90% of the ticket sale for the first 2 weeks of a movie. DVD sales is pure margin profit and far more lucrative
3) on-demand services, syndication, etc
A game has ONE window to make it's money, then it's gone. When it's released. After that, its basically negligible. Which is why DLC is again popular. It keeps a steady revenue stream going post release that's not dependent on you bribing Gamestop to give you shelf space.
Sorry but did you miss the memo where the games on the Russian store on Steam are a lot cheaper? Or when SEA went live and games are a lot cheaper too? AAA games. Yeah did you not get that memo?
Also lets dispel this 'currency conversion' nonsense. When was the last tiem ANYTHING you bought was a pure currency conversion. It never has been. It never will be. The price of something in different regions is not based on currency conversions. Simply because that's only one of several factors that determine pricing. Why does a BMW from the same factory cost more in Germany than in the USA? Why does a boxd games in the US cost more here than when I go to Asia? How come a BigMac is priced differently in different regions? Can none of these companies do 'currency conversions'? Or is it maybe that the way your price a product a tad more complicated than 'plugging a number into google and then screaming when the answer doesnt match'.
People mistake Steam sales with permanet cheap prices. Steam is not the Apple App store. And devs are EXTREMELY tahnkful for that. Becauase otherwise we'd be buying all 'free' game with in-app purchases up the ying yang. Note 'cheap prices' are not about being 'pro consumer'. Those are UNRELATED factors. A high price is not 'anti-consumer'. It's jsut 'you don't like the price'. But that's not 'anti-consumer'. It's just you being cheap.
Black Ops II did not beat BF3 and Skyrim. Black Ops II sold 27.43 million units worldwide, Skyrim and BF3 combined sold 34.21 million units (discounting DLC).
''GTAV's actual production budget was only $100 mill, as the other $150 was for marketing. And again that's THE MOST expensive game ever made''
It is still part of the budget, a films budget also goes towards promotion aswell, so they both cost roughly the same amount of money to make in the end.
''A game has ONE window to make it's money, then it's gone. When it's released. After that, its basically negligible. Which is why DLC is again popular. It keeps a steady revenue stream going post release''
This is not necessarily true, a lot of games make up their profit after they have been out some time, just look at Steam Sales and Alan Wake is a perfect example, it was cheaper on PC than it was on console but it made more money on PC in 2 weeks than it did on X360 in a whole year just because it sold loads after it had been released for about a year.
''Also lets dispel this 'currency conversion' nonsense''
It is not nonsense, there are plenty of articles on the Internet talking about how people outside the US are paying more for the same device than the US counterparts. Even when you remove TAX, VAT etc... products are still more expensive in the UK (and outside the US) than the US.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2700758/The-great-gadget-price-rip-How-Britons-paying-hundreds-pounds-products-American-customers.html
http://conversation.which.co.uk/technology/uk-vs-us-prices-british-rip-off-technology-apple-laptops/
http://news.sky.com/story/1305370/gadgets-cost-hundreds-of-pounds-more-in-uk
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/07/21/uk-tech-price-ripoff_n_5606068.html
http://www.itproportal.com/2014/07/22/rip-off-britain-tech-firms-making-uk-us-consumers-paying-money-over-odds-gadgets/
http://www.techdigest.tv/2014/07/rip-off-britain-uk-shoppers-pay-more-for-technology.html
Do I need to go on? Also you didn't dispel anything in your counterpoint, you didn't give a reason why products cost more outside the US.
''People mistake Steam sales with permanet cheap prices. Steam is not the Apple App store. And devs are EXTREMELY tahnkful for that. Becauase otherwise we'd be buying all 'free' game with in-app purchases up the ying yang''
When did I ever suggest games should be free? I made the claim that games should be cheaper, throw in extra DLC if you want. The base game being cheaper is a good thing, look at all the money Valve is making from TF2 Hats... It is a viable solution to have in-game stuff but make the base game cheaper. Also when did I say a high price was anti-consumer? I didn't. I said lower priced products are better for the consumer, you really do need to stop making assumptions, it displays a level of arrogance which I'm sure you don't have in real-life
''It's just you being cheap''
Nice little personal attack there, as I clearly said earlier
''Waiting for a sale can take ages, (key words) it doesn't really bother me about the game prices but the reasons I have listed are what a lot of people say (key words over), I usually buy newer games of ♥♥♥, much cheaper and I've never had a bad key. ♥♥♥ is like the most legit CD Key site aswell, I recently got Murdered Soul Suspect and AC Unity.''
If you're goign to use VGChartz as your source as you said you were using, you'd better read the source material first. Instead of pulling numbers out of your behind provide links. Like oh say this?
http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=black+ops+II&publisher=&platform=&genre=&minSales=0&results=200
http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=battlefield+3
http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=skyrim
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When you hear a movies budget it NEVER includes the marketing budget. If you're goign to compare things, you compare apples to apples. Not apples to oranges.
That's on Steam again a digital distribution platform. Guess where MOST games are made for now. Consoles. Guess where you buy console games. In a store. Which means your purchase window for most game is basically the first 2-3 weks after release, after which your sales cycle goes into the toilet. That's again why companies LOVE DLC. It's a reliable revenue cycle that is nto dependent on retail.
Plenty of reasons. such as
1) massive economies of scale
2) the USD being the world fiat currency
3) taxation rates
4) local purchasing power
5) prices of other goods locally relative to what you're selling
Again this isn't some 'new' thing.
And again, you can't categorically claim' products cost more outside the USA' when there plenty of counter examples.
You might be suprised the world economy is more complicated than you imagine.
[qutoe]The base game being cheaper is a good thing,[/quote]
This is not true by a long shot.
Again nothing to do with the base price being cheaper.
That's called F2P.
When you say a low price is good for the consumer, you are asserting opposite is true, that a high price is anti-consumer. Plainly false.
Again you've not put forth any actual reason why a specific price point for a game is BAD. You're insisting on lowering the price. But gave no reason as to what is WRONG with the existing price. If you dont like the existng price, there's only one reason. You're being cheap
You claimed that Black Ops II had sold more than BF3 + Skyrim combined, which is false ''Lets also ignore that Black Ops2 was $59.99 at launch and sold more than BF3+Skyrim'' Notice the + symbol you used.
''When you hear a movies budget it NEVER includes the marketing budget''
Wrong, films do include the advertising costs aswell in the budget, films don't advertise as much as video games and advertising a film is cheaper than a game but the advertising is still included in the movies budget, same as a game.
''Plenty of reasons. such as
1) massive economies of scale
2) the USD being the world fiat currency
3) taxation rates
4) local purchasing power
5) prices of other goods locally relative to what your selling''
Care to expand? If you read the articles these are almost completely debunked, the Director of Which even said that consumers outside the US are paying more than they should. Also let's look at Shadows of Mordor, that game on release was actually converted correctly to the GBP, if it was for the reasons you stated all products would be more expensive, but they aren't. The vast majority of products are more expensive outside the US, but there are those few products that are done right... What does this tell us? Some companies are charging consumers outside the US more than they should. If it was for the reasons you mentioned all products would be more expensive outside the US, which they aren't.
''Again nothing to do with the base price being cheaper''
Never claimed it did, I said ''it is a viable solution to have in-game stuff but make the base game cheaper''
If you add extra DLC to the game you can make the base game cheaper because the DLC will re-coup the costs and make up for the game being free/cheaper. TF2 is a perfect example, the game only became free because they were making enough money from hats and extra content that they had available
''That's called F2P.''
Making a game cheaper does not make it Free to Play.
''When you say a low price is good for the consumer''
Making a product is good for the end-consumer, that doesn't mean that having it at its RRP is bad for the consumer, it simply means that a lower price is healthy for the consumer, this is not a difficult concept to understand.
''You're insisting on lowering the price. But gave no reason as to what is WRONG with the existing price'' If you read my previous comment
''Waiting for a sale can take ages, (key words) it doesn't really bother me about the game prices but the reasons I have listed are what a lot of people say (key words over), I usually buy newer games of ♥♥♥, much cheaper and I've never had a bad key. ♥♥♥ is like the most legit CD Key site aswell, I recently got Murdered Soul Suspect and AC Unity.''
You would see that I don't actually have an issue with game prices being what they are, however there are many valid reasons to suggest that they should be lowered. You still haven't given a good reason to suggest that consumers outside the US aren't getting ripped off.
''there's only one reason. You're being cheap''
Another nice little personal attack, you're good at them.
No I used the / symbol but intellectual honesty is apparently beneath you
http://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/7/620695877346041768/?tscn=1415048389#c620695877441569796
And again you don't actually refute the main point. That the supposed 'high' price of a games has little correlation to its sales that you insist exists.
This is incorrect. Widely quoted numbers for block buster files never include the marketing budgets globally.
Flims dont advertise as much as video games? Sorry but you're terriby terribly mistaken there.
''Plenty of reasons. such as
1) massive economies of scale
2) the USD being the world fiat currency
3) taxation rates
4) local purchasing power
5) prices of other goods locally relative to what you're selling''
Care to expand? If you read the articles these are almost completely debunked, the Director if Which even said that consumers outside the US are paying more than they should. Also let's look at Shadows of Mordor, that game on release was actually converted correctly to the GBP, if it was for the reasons you stated all products would be more expensive, but they aren't. The vast majority of products are more expensive outside the US, but there are those few products that are done right... What does this tell us? Companies are charging consumers outside the US more than they should. If it was for the reasons you mentioned all products would be more expensive outside the UK, which they aren't.
''Again nothing to do with the base price being cheaper''
And its an equally viable 'solution' to have a higher base price. You act like its some kind of binary thing.
Again TF2 works off an entirely different sales model, which is F2P. And again lets ignore the fact that TF2 wa a paid product FOR YEARS.
And again this is
1) a false premise
2) 'lower' is relative and has no meaning
3) and again I'm a for-profit enterprise, not a charity
4) Just because you 'like' something doesn't mean its a good business decision, sustainable long term, or a vialbe solution. Every game/budget/situation is different.
Which again you don't actually refute. You simply insist that lower prices are 'better'. When again this is simply an "I like lower prices argument". Which is moot. I charge what ever I think is necessary to be profitable and sustainable. You're totally free to not buy it fi you dont want to. But I'm not obligated to meet you at some arbitrary place 'just because you dont like the price'.
So apparently Russia/South East Asia are getting 'ripped off' with their prices but are apparently outside the US huh? Again making uninformed sweeping statements without context.
Trustpilot is a worthelss metric. there are unauthorized and authorizesed resellers. That site is not authorized. End of discussion.
Oh I see, posted edited................
''Flims dont advertise as much as video games? Sorry but you're terriby terribly mistaken there.''
Advertising films is alot cheaper than advertising games.
''Again TF2 works off an entirely different sales model, which is F2P. And again lets ignore the fact that TF2 wa a paid product FOR YEARS.''
Re-read and pay close attention
''the game (TF2) only became free because they were making enough money from hats and extra content that they had available''...................................................................... ;(
''Which again you don't actually refute''
Read the articles, as I have said multiple times.... I can say the same to you, show actual proof that consumers outside the US aren't getting ripped off, I have shown multiple articles, you haven't shown 1...
You don't pay close attention do you.
Why should I take your opinion over the 6000 people that have rated G2A? Give me 1 reason.
None of which means that the site is an authorized reseller. All your supposed 'metrics' are meaningless with respect to that.
Which is the only IMPORTANT factor.
It is filtered for a reason. It is an unauthorized reseller.
Use unauthorized resellers at your own peril.
And again, that doesn't make them an authorized reseller.
If they were, they woudln't be filtered.
Should we ignore events such as the Sniper Elite 3 fiasco where usres buying from supposed 'safe' sites were having their keys revoked.
Use at your own peril.
It is a worthless metric to determine if a site is an authorized reseller. The BBB hasnt been relevant for years, and again has no bearing as to whether a site is an authorized reseller.