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Are computer games software?
As some of you may know a recent court case cast doubt on whether computer games should be considered (and as such covered by laws that govern) as software.

Now I'd like to keep this purely to the discussion of whether games are software, the reasons for and against rather than how companies are using this avoid certain situations.
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YES games are software. photos, textures, objects are also software then there is code to put it all togther. No way around it. If it needs to run on a computer it's software.
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YES games are software. photos, textures, objects are also software then there is code to put it all togther. No way around it. If it needs to run on a computer it's software.

That is like saying all biographies, encyclopedias and journalistic studies are books and they belong in fiction.
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Първоначално публикувано от Ron ︻气デ═一:
YES games are software. photos, textures, objects are also software then there is code to put it all togther. No way around it. If it needs to run on a computer it's software.

That is like saying all biographies, encyclopedias and journalistic studies are books and they belong in fiction.

Actually he is quite correct, your analogy is a little off.

It's like asking if Newspapers and magazines are books, All three are readable, printed material, and a magazine can be made to look like a book and a boox made to look like a magazine.

Software is a broad term... Multimedia Entertainment, Multimedia production, Word Processings are all types of software. Logically it's not a binary question and legally it's more about trying to find the classification that offers sufficient protection to both consumers and producers..
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That is like saying all biographies, encyclopedias and journalistic studies are books and they belong in fiction.

Actually he is quite correct, your analogy is a little off.

It's like asking if Newspapers and magazines are books, All three are readable, printed material, and a magazine can be made to look like a book and a boox made to look like a magazine.

Software is a broad term... Multimedia Entertainment, Multimedia production, Word Processings are all types of software. Logically it's not a binary question and legally it's more about trying to find the classification that offers sufficient protection to both consumers and producers..

It wasn't that well thought out. :) I know it is software...I was just thinking in the legal sense. I was reading it right after the multimedia stuff before so I guess I was thinking less in terms of SOFTWARE and more NOT MULTIMEDIA. Brain fart.

If you need a lawyer...hire someone else.
Последно редактиран от supertrooper225; 19 апр. 2015 в 15:59
Sony tried (and believe suceeded) to have the PS3 classified as a computer to avoid certain taxes.

I understand something's purpose should be the main ground of classification, and see where you are coming from. Though bad analogy with Debbie since its the adult content rather than the lack of comedic content that gives it the 18 certificate. But its not saying a gun is a can opener, rather this car shouldn't be taxed as sports car because there is this tiny boot space (look I can fit this bottle coke in it).

Is the inclusion of a multimedia aspect into software is enough to have in classified as a multimedia product and exempt from the software laws?

No, how about multimedia and it must be used for entertainment purposes. Now while I enjoy nested SQL statements (more so when the join statement is wrong and brings the entire database to a crawl), I'm fairly sure niether MS Office nor Oracles RDBS could be classified as entertainment. But does that stop PowerDVD from being software?
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Sony tried (and believe suceeded) to have the PS3 classified as a computer to avoid certain taxes.

The PS3 is a computer. Strangely enough, The reason being it incorporates an internal persistent medium of storage I.E A HDD. Heck more than a few enterprising people flashed a linux OS onto the things and repurposed them as servers.


Is the inclusion of a multimedia aspect into software is enough to have in classified as a multimedia product and exempt from the software laws?

A game at it's core is an interactive multimedia product. It generates the media in response to the user's actions and what it generates is determined by the user's actions.

No, how about multimedia and it must be used for entertainment purposes. Now while I enjoy nested SQL statements (more so when the join statement is wrong and brings the entire database to a crawl), I'm fairly sure niether MS Office nor Oracles RDBS could be classified as entertainment. But does that stop PowerDVD from being software?

PowerDVD is software... what are you talking about?
What I am saying is if entertainment is factor in deciding whether something is a multimedia product, then something like PowerDVD could be categorised as such.

As for the PS3, yes it could be used as a computer though that functionality was removed by a later system update. I don't think a persistent storage medium is enough, it needed to have the ability to run an OS which gave it functionality beyond that of games console.
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What I am saying is if entertainment is factor in deciding whether something is a multimedia product, then something like PowerDVD could be categorised as such.

As for the PS3, yes it could be used as a computer though that functionality was removed by a later system update. I don't think a persistent storage medium is enough, it needed to have the ability to run an OS which gave it functionality beyond that of games console.

Not really. The goal of Power DVD isn't an entertainment product like a movie or game. I don't see how you would classify that as multimedia...it is a tool. Not a movie or game.
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What I am saying is if entertainment is factor in deciding whether something is a multimedia product, then something like PowerDVD could be categorised as such.
Would you classify a sheet of blank paper as an entertainment product? The point is PwerDVD doesn't generate it's own cpontent, it merely displays the pregenerated content of something else. The content isn't the camera or the film.. it's what is on the film.

As for the PS3, yes it could be used as a computer though that functionality was removed by a later system update. I don't think a persistent storage medium is enough, it needed to have the ability to run an OS which gave it functionality beyond that of games console.

Actually the functionality was never so much removed as locked away. Trust me, the sort of people who convert their PS3s into servers are not the sort that can be stopped by a simple patch :p

For the record the Ps3 actually has an OS of it's own already, as have most consoles since the Dreamcast I believe, though I'm certain the Saturn also had one as well.

And yes a persistent internal storage medium is enough... it's basically whatdifferentiaties a computer from a terminal/console
Последно редактиран от Start_Running; 19 апр. 2015 в 16:44
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Actually... you're wrong. It has the graphics... (Video) and Audio; sound effects and that incredible british narrator.

So it utilizes the Visual and the Auditory media. Since it is using more than one medium.. it can therfore be called multimedia content.

YOu're understanding as to what constitutes multimedia content needs a little updating..
Just re-read this.
Every application I've coded has icons (little pieces or art work) and makes a annoying ping sound (audio feedback). Some even had little animation to help convey to the user the computer is busy and nows a good time to make your work mates a cup of tea.

Bingo, multimedia content.
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Първоначално публикувано от Start_Running:
Actually... you're wrong. It has the graphics... (Video) and Audio; sound effects and that incredible british narrator.

So it utilizes the Visual and the Auditory media. Since it is using more than one medium.. it can therfore be called multimedia content.

YOu're understanding as to what constitutes multimedia content needs a little updating..
Just re-read this.
Every application I've coded has icons (little pieces or art work) and makes a annoying ping sound (audio feedback). Some even had little animation to help convey to the user the computer is busy and nows a good time to make your work mates a cup of tea.

Bingo, multimedia content.

No...not a multimedia product. Just because your program has a little loading animation or something doesn't turn it into an entertainment product like a movie or game all of a sudden. I can make a mean ham sandwich....but I am no chef.
Последно редактиран от supertrooper225; 19 апр. 2015 в 16:45
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*snip*


Okay, okay let's try this from another angle. Define 'Art'
Would you classify a sheet of blank paper as an entertainment product?
No I wouldn't, but then again I wouldn't say computer games are not software because they've got pretty pictures and interesting sounds. As you said, they take input process that input and what is created is dependent on that input.
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Would you classify a sheet of blank paper as an entertainment product?
No I wouldn't, but then again I wouldn't say computer games are not software because they've got pretty pictures and interesting sounds. As you said, they take input process that input and what is created is dependent on that input.

It is pretty clear what makes something a multimedia product and what makes something just software. No offense, but the whole point about Power DVD is just an attempt to spin things. It doesn't work that way.
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*snip*
Okay, okay let's try this from another angle. Define 'Art'
Indeed, one man's art is another cleaning lady's rubbish.

I know PowerDVD is software, but it is used to entertain. Yes it is not entertaining without a DVD to watch, but it can not be classified as productivity software. You could define it as a utility, but so is defragger.

Creating a Venn diagram of what aspects must be there in order to classify something as an interactive multimedia product there will be games that sit outside the classification area and programs that sit close enough that their status could be changed.
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