Why does Female Protagonist get its own tag?

[Doggy Davis]

I mean, should a game having a female protagonist be considered special or unusual compared to having a male protagonist?

[Lily]

Frosty_Deity eredeti hozzászólása:

It's already been proven recently that Hitler was not a vegetarian. That was nothing more than a myth. All that is known is that he ate veges for awhile

Good to know, though the point stands - there are crazy/bad people out there, some of whom happen to believe in non-crazy/bad things. That a few people on the fringes can generally be found supporting virtually anything imaginable, does not mean that anything and everything under the Sun can be construed as advancing their fringe agendas.

Quint the Island Fox eredeti hozzászólása:

What is with people blaming everything on "political correctness" these days, even.

It's a dog whistle. More subtle than just throwing ethnic slurs around.

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Quint the Island Fox eredeti hozzászólása:

mkess eredeti hozzászólása:

Because femminists trying to manipulate public oppinions with their little sick mind games. And ruin gaming on their merry way.

Simple as that.

I don't see why people spouting opinions on social commentary on video games can "ruin gaming".

Gaming's doing just fine.

People just get overprotective of their hobby I guess. "That internet personality is criticizing my hobby; I'm going to take it personally and feel offended!"

At least, speaking from my own perspective most of what gets argued has jack-all to do with my gaming interests and habits anyway.

Edit due to ninja edit:

mkess eredeti hozzászólása:

It's the same as "poltical correctness" that tries to manipulate even your thinking prozess, in forbidding you to think in not political correct terms. Very subtle manipulation, invented by the lords of lies.

What is with people blaming everything on "political correctness" these days, even. You know what another term for that is? Just basic politeness and common courtesy, the idea of not going out of one's way to offend others. If people could just both grow thicker skin and be less of jerks, this world would be a lot better and would stop arguing about stuff like this.

people blame political correctness because it's ruining society

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Gustave5436 eredeti hozzászólása:

Frosty_Deity eredeti hozzászólása:

It's already been proven recently that Hitler was not a vegetarian. That was nothing more than a myth. All that is known is that he ate veges for awhile

Good to know, though the point stands - there are crazy/bad people out there, some of whom happen to believe in non-crazy/bad things. That a few people on the fringes can generally be found supporting virtually anything imaginable, does not mean that anything and everything under the Sun can be construed as advancing their fringe agendas.

Quint the Island Fox eredeti hozzászólása:

What is with people blaming everything on "political correctness" these days, even.

It's a dog whistle. More subtle than just throwing ethnic slurs around.

that's nonsense, being against political correctness isn't some racist veil, it just means you don't like being sensitive and paranoid all the time over offending people

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mkess eredeti hozzászólása:

Because femminists trying to manipulate public oppinions with their little sick mind games. And ruin gaming on their merry way.

It's the same as "poltical correctness" that tries to manipulate even your thinking prozess, in forbidding you to think in not political correct terms. Very subtle manipulation, invented by the lords of lies.

Simple as that.

feminists make female protaganist roles to manipulate minds of the population? bruh r u ok?

[Lily]

Gas mask TV thief eredeti hozzászólása:

that's nonsense, being against political correctness isn't some racist veil, it just means you don't like being sensitive and paranoid all the time over offending people

Because saying political correctness is destroying civilization totally isn't being overly sensitive or the least bit paranoid.

Far as I can tell, all "political correctness" really means is that you can't say horrible things about other people without suffering a slight risk of having it come back to bite you in some way. Which is... basically how the world has always worked for anyone who isn't ridiculously privileged.

[Bob]

;364040166675100453 eredeti hozzászólása:

...saying political correctness is destroying civilization totally isn't being overly sensitive or the least bit paranoid.

Correct. It is merely hyperbolic to the extreme.

[Commander Makara]

Doggy Davis eredeti hozzászólása:

I mean, should a game having a female protagonist be considered special or unusual compared to having a male protagonist?

Given that it's still a minority area of games, and that many people actually specifically WANT to seek out the games with a female protagonist, then it deserves the tag. This way, those that wish to find games with "female-protagonist" can do so more simply andf effectively.

The tag is not meant to serve as a label definitively describing the product in its entirety and reducing it to such, but as an aide to search function. Therefore, it serves that purpose adequately.

There is no gender distinction or sexism present with such. If people wish to seek games without female protagonist, the tag serves equally well as filter - There are only two genders. It would be unnecessary and therefore inefficient to have a tag for both. Also, it's much, much easier to find such even without tags at all.

It is the consideration of trying to fault, or identify prejudice where none exists that is a greater problem for such systems and the use thereof.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

There is no gender distinction or sexism present with such. If people wish to seek games without female protagonist, the tag serves equally well as filter - There are only two genders. It would be unnecessary and therefore inefficient to have a tag for both. Also, it's much, much easier to find such even without tags at all.

Well actually a "male protagonist" tag could be used to distinguish the remaining games from being specifically male protagonist vs. create-your-own customizable protagonist (which I think has the tag "character customization" at the moment, to an imperfect extent).

[Gus the Crocodile]

Quint the Globular Springtail eredeti hozzászólása:

Well actually a "male protagonist" tag could be used to distinguish the remaining games from being specifically male protagonist vs. create-your-own customizable protagonist (which I think has the tag "character customization" at the moment, to an imperfect extent).

Nah, it's not either/or: there are games like Mass Effect or Shadowrun where you have a customisable/selectable character, and the game has the female protagonist tag because, well, the option is available to players. Which makes sense to me: a game with singleplayer and multiplayer deserves to be tagged as both of those things even though at any one time you're choosing one or the other.

Nonetheless, your broader point that it's not a simple dichotomy still stands: some games will have a protagonist that isn't male or female, others don't have a protagonist at all.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Gus the Crocodile eredeti hozzászólása:

Quint the Globular Springtail eredeti hozzászólása:

Well actually a "male protagonist" tag could be used to distinguish the remaining games from being specifically male protagonist vs. create-your-own customizable protagonist (which I think has the tag "character customization" at the moment, to an imperfect extent).

Nah, it's not either/or: there are games like Mass Effect or Shadowrun where you have a customisable/selectable character, and the game has the female protagonist tag because, well, the option is available to players. Which makes sense to me: a game with singleplayer and multiplayer deserves to be tagged as both of those things even though at any one time you're choosing one or the other.

Nonetheless, your broader point that it's not a simple dichotomy still stands: some games will have a protagonist that isn't male or female, others don't have a protagonist at all.

There's nothing saying we can't have both tags, either.

[tomk1]

Commander Makara eredeti hozzászólása:

There is no gender distinction or sexism present with such. If people wish to seek games without female protagonist, the tag serves equally well as filter - There are only two genders. It would be unnecessary and therefore inefficient to have a tag for both. Also, it's much, much easier to find such even without tags at all.

Theres no Goat-protagonist.

I see it like this, girls play games, true many games are not aimed at or main role, may not be to most girl tastes.
The FP-tag is meant to assist girls find games they might like, without using a tag like "games4girls" which the PCists wourld cry sexism, so any macho shooter that has a female player option (often hot booby-babe) chopppng zombie heads is now bizzarly classed as a female protagonist game.

I dont care what the protagonist-gender is once it fits the story (btw genderism & sexism are different things) I have never nor will ever use a gender-tag picking a game.

Most/all males learn to avoid making any comment because its like being baited into a pit you wont be able to dig out off.

Not PC but realife a makeup game like managing a beautystudio would be of more interest to one gender than the other no matter how much social-engineering is done, but the game can never be classed as Female-protagonist.

I think that female players should have option to create a new Tag like girl-friendly or what-girls-like or games4girls and ONLY female players can add that tag to a game.

btw I almost have a dreamlike memooory of adding the FP-tag to any game with a female charactor to the end result neary every game on Steam can be loosesy termed FP thereby a pure pointless tag, I dont think Duke Nukem got the FP-tag.

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Gustave5436 eredeti hozzászólása:

Gas mask TV thief eredeti hozzászólása:

that's nonsense, being against political correctness isn't some racist veil, it just means you don't like being sensitive and paranoid all the time over offending people

Because saying political correctness is destroying civilization totally isn't being overly sensitive or the least bit paranoid.

Far as I can tell, all "political correctness" really means is that you can't say horrible things about other people without suffering a slight risk of having it come back to bite you in some way. Which is... basically how the world has always worked for anyone who isn't ridiculously privileged.

political correctness means you can't say something without another person getting offended and attacking your character in an immature matter, it means you can't freely voice your opinion unless it's mainstream and cool

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

The FP-tag is meant to assist girls find games they might like, without using a tag like "games4girls" which the PCists wourld cry sexism, so any macho shooter that has a female player option (often hot booby-babe) chopppng zombie heads is now bizzarly classed as a female protagonist game.

Not just "PCists"; the idea that you can dictate other people's tastes is a stupid idea in the first place. Girls don't have a single taste in videogames that you can just say "girls like these games" -- their tastes are as varied as those of guys, so it's both silly on oneself and insulting to others to try to claim that a certain demographic group likes a certain type of game.

And that applies even if you're in that demographic yourself, so any specific girl has no more business trying to dictate other girls' tastes than a guy does.

Not PC but realife a makeup game like managing a beautystudio would be of more interest to one gender than the other no matter how much social-engineering is done

You never know with these things...I bet you there are tons of people who say they'd never play such-and-such type of game until a certain instance of that genre came out and that became the one exception, and then some of those people go on to even checking out more where that came from.

Gas mask TV thief eredeti hozzászólása:

Gustave5436 eredeti hozzászólása:

Because saying political correctness is destroying civilization totally isn't being overly sensitive or the least bit paranoid.

Far as I can tell, all "political correctness" really means is that you can't say horrible things about other people without suffering a slight risk of having it come back to bite you in some way. Which is... basically how the world has always worked for anyone who isn't ridiculously privileged.

political correctness means you can't say something without another person getting offended and attacking your character in an immature matter, it means you can't freely voice your opinion unless it's mainstream and cool

No, it means you have to be mature and not be stupid when voicing you opinion, but you can still voice it, just don't be a jerk about it.

It's basically the difference between "Your idea is bad and here is why, piece by piece" and "♥♥♥♥ your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, yo mamma's a ♥♥♥♥♥ and you suck ♥♥♥♥".

[Aahzmandias]

Gas mask TV thief eredeti hozzászólása:

Gustave5436 eredeti hozzászólása:

Because saying political correctness is destroying civilization totally isn't being overly sensitive or the least bit paranoid.

Far as I can tell, all "political correctness" really means is that you can't say horrible things about other people without suffering a slight risk of having it come back to bite you in some way. Which is... basically how the world has always worked for anyone who isn't ridiculously privileged.

political correctness means you can't say something without another person getting offended and attacking your character in an immature matter, it means you can't freely voice your opinion unless it's mainstream and cool

The only way to get the discusions about anything reach out of the box thinking is to be political incorrect. The danger of political correctness is not to be polite, but to begin thinking only political correct thought, limiting your own tthinking.

There is nothing wrong with being polite, but there is all wrong with THINKING only polite thoughts. The political correctness goes FAR beyound being polite. And that's the real problem.

The same goes for the feminazis structure of speech, they try to indoctrinate us with.

[tomk1]

Quint the Globular Springtail eredeti hozzászólása:

Not just "PCists"; the idea that you can dictate other people's tastes is a stupid idea in the first place. Girls don't have a single taste in videogames that you can just say "girls like these games" -- their tastes are as varied as those of guys, so it's both silly on oneself and insulting to others to try to claim that a certain demographic group likes a certain type of game.

And that applies even if you're in that demographic yourself, so any specific girl has no more business trying to dictate other girls' tastes than a guy does.

Not PC but realife a makeup game like managing a beautystudio would be of more interest to one gender than the other no matter how much social-engineering is done

You never know with these things...I bet you there are tons of people who say they'd never play such-and-such type of game until a certain instance of that genre came out and that became the one exception, and then some of those people go on to even checking out more where that came from.

100% agree, I just look at my grand-nieces twins 6 both always on minecraft, one loves 5 nights at freddys the other likes makeup. At their age pre social-engineering mindcrap they pick what they like, they like different clothes. I have no idea what games will be available to them in a few years, they dont like that thing that can kill you in minecraft. The reason I mentioned beautystudio is my adult niece has started running a beautystudio after years of this n that, making some money a tough buissness, a proper stratagy buissness rpg game like Sid Meiers beautystudio that doesn't end with nuclear obliviation would be good, and many males would also play.

Point is Tags are meant to help players find games, if there was a tag "macho" I'll roll my eyes, likewise tag "girly" -aka "femi"

But wiki Machismo [Gender roles make an important part of human identity as we conduct our identities through our historical and current social actions.[8] Machismo's attitudes and behaviours may be frowned upon or encouraged at various degrees in various societies or subcultures – albeit it is frequently associated with more patriarchial undertones, primarily in present views on the past]
I say our gender is number one as to our identity. Its almost like people male or female are made feel apologetic and ashamed of their gender. If a girl want flower dresses and makeup games why not nothing wrong with it.

I watched some morning TV talk show (yes i need a life) they had on twin boys 4 yrs old one likes wearing dresses makeup being girly-like his parents have got acustomed to it because it makes him happy, the parents fear is the school system. Point: its not the gender but gender attributes that need Taging or just maybe Zero gender tags none.

man runs race, well done 53min 42sec how do you feel? -tired
woman runs race, well done for womankind how does it feel as a woman for other women out there etc............. -tired
-thank the lords of kobol politics is banned.