Xbox Gamepass Narrative ??

[upped_jetty_0o]

Needed to highlight some obvious flaws in this whole gamepass narrative of any device & anytime & anyplace ??


1. Lag and Latency: Game streaming, especially for online multiplayer games, can suffer from input lag due to network latency. This can make competitive gaming nearly impossible since precise timing is crucial in most multiplayer games. The technology and infrastructure for game streaming are still catching up to the needs of these fast-paced environments.
2. Battery Life: Most smartphones and tablets aren’t equipped with batteries capable of handling hours of AAA game streaming. Running a game remotely while maintaining a steady internet connection drains battery life quickly. Plugging into an outlet defeats the purpose of gaming anywhere, anytime, on any device.
3. Reliable Internet: You not only need high-speed internet but also a reliable connection that consistently performs well. However, many internet service providers throttle speeds, reducing the internet performance you’re supposed to receive, making it difficult to maintain the required speed for game streaming.
4. Data Plans: Streaming AAA games consumes a lot of data, and you would need an unlimited cellular data plan. As of now, many countries don’t offer truly unlimited plans, and higher data caps come at a significant cost.

(wifi doesn't count as its only available at home for the most part and public wifi can barely run utube forget about streaming games)

So, with limited battery life, the need for high-speed, reliable internet, and costly data plans, streaming games still has major challenges. Even if you manage to overcome all of this, you’ll end up paying a lot for the necessary setup, not to mention the game pass subscription itself, which is likely to increase in price over time.



Given these issues, why not just invest in a PC, laptop, or console instead?

[xBCxRangers]

I guess i'm blessed to have great internet living in a big city. For me, these Stream services like Ge Force Now and Xbox Game Pass work like a charm. And although i only "tried" the Game Pass Ultimate, it seemed to work well on Xbox.

MS Flight Simulator, Forza all seemed to work impeccably. Ge Force Now for me is the best invention i've seen in years, where i can play these Steam or PC exclusive games, on an Xbox One.

At about for me, 60 dollars a year. How many years would it take at 60 a year, to buy a PC that can be what can be very demanding games?

It's a win win for gamers, IF you have a wired connection and good internet.

As far as "phones", that is where most people seem to play games. Not PC. It's the phone and handhelds that seem to be ruling the day, as PC i would think caters those at work or school, and consoles and handhelds when they get home.

[nullable]

Originally posted by upped_jetty_0o:

Given these issues, why not just invest in a PC, laptop, or console instead?

Short answer, not everyone has the same experience or feels same way about some of your criticisms.

Some people have better internet than you. Some people just stream games over wifi to devices in their house. There's many uses cases, focusing on the worst one doesn't negate all the others.

Try playing a game on a laptop battery, not going to be an improvement. A battery pack for your phone/tablet is going to be smaller than a laptop. And lots of places have outlets, at any rate pretending like you can never be plugged in or no one would ever want to doesn't make your argument stronger.

Microsoft is not responsible for people's internet, cellular service or their data plans. If a user doesn't have good options than maybe then that may some of their use case options, but not all of them. If they like playing games in bed on their phone, then their home wifi would still work fine for that.

There's lots of potential use cases, and lots of people will use the feature differently. Arguing a one size fits all use case makes for a pretty weak argument.

[upped_jetty_0o]

Originally posted by MrNewell123:

I guess i'm blessed to have great internet living in a big city. For me, these Stream services like Ge Force Now and Xbox Game Pass work like a charm. And although i only "tried" the Game Pass Ultimate, it seemed to work well on Xbox.

MS Flight Simulator, Forza all seemed to work impeccably. Ge Force Now for me is the best invention i've seen in years, where i can play these Steam or PC exclusive games, on an Xbox One.

At about for me, 60 dollars a year. How many years would it take at 60 a year, to buy a PC that can be what can be very demanding games?

It's a win win for gamers, IF you have a wired connection and good internet.

As far as "phones", that is where most people seem to play games. Not PC. It's the phone and handhelds that seem to be ruling the day, as PC i would think caters those at work or school, and consoles and handhelds when they get home.

kindly read my post again....im talking about their claim of any device anywhere....it doesnt work that way so far at all!!

and im talking about AAA games which dont work well on a phone or tablet when streaming .


phone or tablet are not rulling the day when it comes to AAA games not at all!

[upped_jetty_0o]

Originally posted by nullable:

Originally posted by upped_jetty_0o:

Given these issues, why not just invest in a PC, laptop, or console instead?

Short answer, not everyone has the same experience or feels same way about some of your criticisms.

Some people have better internet than you. Some people just stream games over wifi to devices in their house. There's many uses cases, focusing on the worst one doesn't negate all the others.

Try playing a game on a laptop battery, not going to be an improvement. A battery pack for your phone/tablet is going to be smaller than a laptop. And lots of places have outlets, at any rate pretending like you can never be plugged in or no one would ever want to doesn't make your argument stronger.

Valve is not responsible for people's internet, cellular service or their data plans. If a user doesn't have good options than maybe then that may some of their use case options, but not all of them. If they like playing games in bed on their phone, then their home wifi would still work fine for that.

There's lots of potential use cases, and lots of people will use the feature differently. Arguing a one size fits all use case makes for a pretty weak argument.

Again read the post, im talking about xbox & gamepass NOT valve!!!!!

on a laptop you can play any AAA game for a decent while you can't do that on a phone or tablet when streaming u dont have the battery or unlimited data cap or the speed.


as far ur wifi explanation again their claim is anywhere any device so it isnt about being stuck at home,it should work everywhere......if ur home with a internet that is good enough to stream games thn surely u can just download games play locally....and as far playing on other devices on wifi might work except u will need to plug the phone or whatever device ur playing to the outlet so whats the point thn ?

[nullable]

Slight typo there, I've fixed my error. Although the same points hold true Valve or MS, they're interchangeable.

Originally posted by upped_jetty_0o:

Given these issues, why not just invest in a PC, laptop, or console instead?

Short answer, not everyone has the same experience or feels same way about some of your criticisms.

Some people have better internet than you. Some people just stream games over wifi to devices in their house. There's many uses cases, focusing on the worst one doesn't negate all the others.

Try playing a game on a laptop battery, not going to be an improvement. A battery pack for your phone/tablet is going to be smaller than a laptop. And lots of places have outlets, at any rate pretending like you can never be plugged in or no one would ever want to doesn't make your argument stronger.

Microsoft is not responsible for people's internet, cellular service or their data plans. If a user doesn't have good options than maybe then that may some of their use case options, but not all of them. If they like playing games in bed on their phone, then their home wifi would still work fine for that.

There's lots of potential use cases, and lots of people will use the feature differently. Arguing a one size fits all use case makes for a pretty weak argument.

Originally posted by upped_jetty_0o:

as far ur wifi explanation again their claim is anywhere any device so it isnt about being stuck at home,it should work everywhere......if ur home with a internet that is good enough to stream games thn surely u can just download games play locally....and as far playing on other devices on wifi might work except u will need to plug the phone or whatever device ur playing to the outlet so whats the point thn ?

One could argue a reasonable person wouldn't need an asterisk with fine print explaining "Anywhere* any place that has suitable infrastructure to support the features." Being a pedant isn't the big brain move you seem to think it is.

Also I can't play PC games on my phone in bed by downloading games to my phone. I would have to stream them from a compatible device, like my PC. What do you think you're going to get by arguing one should only stream games to a phone/tablet if they're away from home?

Ignoring reasonable use cases to make a bogus narrow minded argument about some feature accomplishes what?

[upped_jetty_0o]

Originally posted by nullable:

Slight typo there, I've fixed my error. Although the same points hold true Valve or MS, they're interchangeable.

Originally posted by upped_jetty_0o:

Given these issues, why not just invest in a PC, laptop, or console instead?

Short answer, not everyone has the same experience or feels same way about some of your criticisms.

Some people have better internet than you. Some people just stream games over wifi to devices in their house. There's many uses cases, focusing on the worst one doesn't negate all the others.

Try playing a game on a laptop battery, not going to be an improvement. A battery pack for your phone/tablet is going to be smaller than a laptop. And lots of places have outlets, at any rate pretending like you can never be plugged in or no one would ever want to doesn't make your argument stronger.

Microsoft is not responsible for people's internet, cellular service or their data plans. If a user doesn't have good options than maybe then that may some of their use case options, but not all of them. If they like playing games in bed on their phone, then their home wifi would still work fine for that.

There's lots of potential use cases, and lots of people will use the feature differently. Arguing a one size fits all use case makes for a pretty weak argument.

Originally posted by upped_jetty_0o:

as far ur wifi explanation again their claim is anywhere any device so it isnt about being stuck at home,it should work everywhere......if ur home with a internet that is good enough to stream games thn surely u can just download games play locally....and as far playing on other devices on wifi might work except u will need to plug the phone or whatever device ur playing to the outlet so whats the point thn ?

One could argue a reasonable person wouldn't need an asterisk with fine print explaining "Anywhere* any place that has suitable infrastructure to support the features." Being a pedant isn't the big brain move you seem to think it is.

Also I can't play PC games on my phone in bed by downloading games to my phone. I would have to stream them from a compatible device, like my PC. What do you think you're going to get by arguing one should only stream games to a phone/tablet if they're away from home?

Ignoring reasonable use cases to make a bogus narrow minded argument about some feature accomplishes what?

it isn't about whether microsoft is responsible for ppl's internet or not...im speaking generally...i call in question their whole concept is flawed when u have to pay for high speed net with unlimited data ur paying extra for that, if ur streaming on wifi at home thats same as if u were downloading the game doesnt add anything new other thn u might be able to play some games on portable devices while ur home......im not speaking about myself since u guys keep mentioning if i don't have high speed net but u guys do....actually i got 2.5g net its the highest u can get where i live....the problem is what microsoft id proclaiming just simply doesn't work as of now, if u read my post its about their new narrative not what might works for you personally, what they are saying is invalid....you can't stream games with gamepass anywhere any device anytime due to not enough battery on the said devices,no unlimited internet data or reliable high speed net on mobile devices.


i challenge you try playing a AAA game stream it on a mobile device through gamepass or otherwise with celllular internet you will see how well it works specially a multiplayer game, you will see the lag,u'll run out of battery and internet data.

[nullable]

Your unreasonable expectations and opinions are your own. For some reason you think it's really important that people agree wirh and make the devisions you would.

All I'm saying is despite your claims other people have different needs, expectations and experiences and you're not going to be able to persuade them your opinions negate all that.

Good luck on grinding your ax.

[upped_jetty_0o]

Originally posted by nullable:

Your unreasonable expectations and opinions are your own. For some reason you think it's really important that people agree wirh and make the devisions you would.

All I'm saying is despite your claims other people have different needs, expectations and experiences and you're not going to be able to persuade them your opinions negate all that.

Good luck on grinding your ax.

im not really trying to get ppl to change to anything im just talking about what microsoft proclaims does not simply work as of now. as i said due to battery,internet speed and data cap most places!!

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by upped_jetty_0o:

Needed to highlight some obvious flaws in this whole gamepass narrative of any device & anytime & anyplace ??


1. Lag and Latency: Game streaming, especially for online multiplayer games, can suffer from input lag due to network latency. This can make competitive gaming nearly impossible since precise timing is crucial in most multiplayer games. The technology and infrastructure for game streaming are still catching up to the needs of these fast-paced environments.

Then don't use it for that, I have no issues with most games i run/stream from gamepass

Originally posted by upped_jetty_0o:

2. Battery Life: Most smartphones and tablets aren’t equipped with batteries capable of handling hours of AAA game streaming. Running a game remotely while maintaining a steady internet connection drains battery life quickly. Plugging into an outlet defeats the purpose of gaming anywhere, anytime, on any device.

They sell battery packs, portable chargers, etc. But yes, in general your not going to have an 8 hour gaming session on your phone without plugging in, nor have I seen anyone advertise that.

Originally posted by upped_jetty_0o:

3. Reliable Internet: You not only need high-speed internet but also a reliable connection that consistently performs well. However, many internet service providers throttle speeds, reducing the internet performance you’re supposed to receive, making it difficult to maintain the required speed for game streaming.

Ok, so if you don't have the options and/or can't afford one then its not for you. I have fiber, so no issues on my end, if yours throttles well then use another option or don't stream. Its an added bonus.

Originally posted by upped_jetty_0o:

4. Data Plans: Streaming AAA games consumes a lot of data, and you would need an unlimited cellular data plan. As of now, many countries don’t offer truly unlimited plans, and higher data caps come at a significant cost.

Again your own limitations

Originally posted by upped_jetty_0o:

Given these issues, why not just invest in a PC, laptop, or console instead?

Many of us use both. For instance I have a gaming PC downstairs, but sometimes when i'm watching TV upstairs I might stream from Xbox or Steam to a handheld device I have and play upstairs.

Didn't have to pay extra to do it, already had all the infrastructure in place

[upped_jetty_0o]

Originally posted by Brian9824:

Originally posted by upped_jetty_0o:

Needed to highlight some obvious flaws in this whole gamepass narrative of any device & anytime & anyplace ??


1. Lag and Latency: Game streaming, especially for online multiplayer games, can suffer from input lag due to network latency. This can make competitive gaming nearly impossible since precise timing is crucial in most multiplayer games. The technology and infrastructure for game streaming are still catching up to the needs of these fast-paced environments.

Then don't use it for that, I have no issues with most games i run/stream from gamepass

Originally posted by upped_jetty_0o:

2. Battery Life: Most smartphones and tablets aren’t equipped with batteries capable of handling hours of AAA game streaming. Running a game remotely while maintaining a steady internet connection drains battery life quickly. Plugging into an outlet defeats the purpose of gaming anywhere, anytime, on any device.

They sell battery packs, portable chargers, etc. But yes, in general your not going to have an 8 hour gaming session on your phone without plugging in, nor have I seen anyone advertise that.

Originally posted by upped_jetty_0o:

3. Reliable Internet: You not only need high-speed internet but also a reliable connection that consistently performs well. However, many internet service providers throttle speeds, reducing the internet performance you’re supposed to receive, making it difficult to maintain the required speed for game streaming.

Ok, so if you don't have the options and/or can't afford one then its not for you. I have fiber, so no issues on my end, if yours throttles well then use another option or don't stream. Its an added bonus.

Originally posted by upped_jetty_0o:

4. Data Plans: Streaming AAA games consumes a lot of data, and you would need an unlimited cellular data plan. As of now, many countries don’t offer truly unlimited plans, and higher data caps come at a significant cost.

Again your own limitations

Originally posted by upped_jetty_0o:

Given these issues, why not just invest in a PC, laptop, or console instead?

Many of us use both. For instance I have a gaming PC downstairs, but sometimes when i'm watching TV upstairs I might stream from Xbox or Steam to a handheld device I have and play upstairs.

Didn't have to pay extra to do it, already had all the infrastructure in place

for some reason ur talking about urself while im speaking generally, battery,high speed internet and internet data limits will continue to be a major problem....u streaming some games on home wifi on a portable device is irrelevant since u can easily play games without streaming but their entire claim falls flat still when u obviously cant play any game on any device anywhere due ti real limiting factors i have highlighted.

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by upped_jetty_0o:

for some reason ur talking about urself while im speaking generally, battery,high speed internet and internet data limits will continue to be a major problem....u streaming some games on home wifi on a portable device is irrelevant since u can easily play games without streaming but their entire claim falls flat still when u obviously cant play any game on any device anywhere due ti real limiting factors i have highlighted.

Not everyone has those issues, and if you have them then don't use it,

[nullable]

Ah OP is going for "I'm being so vague I must be right." Well buddy your claims are so nebulous and undefined where some unknown quantity of people can't do the thing the very specific way that you think is the only way it counts as being as stated, then I'm sure you feel very vindicated. Problem is, it's just your imagination run amok. Why don't you come back with some hard data to support your claims instead of your feelings about how it feels to you in your very limited experience.

Clearly not everyone agrees with you and since you're not dealing with facts, just vague claims and opinions you're not going to convince anyone who's not willing to just yes-man you.

[upped_jetty_0o]

Originally posted by nullable:

Ah OP is going for "I'm being so vague I must be right." Well buddy your claims are so nebulous and undefined where some unknown quantity of people can't do the thing the very specific way that you think is the only way it counts as being as stated, then I'm sure you feel very vindicated. Problem is, it's just your imagination run amok. Why don't you come back with some hard data to support your claims instead of your feelings about how it feels to you in your very limited experience.

Clearly not everyone agrees with you and since you're not dealing with facts, just vague claims and opinions you're not going to convince anyone who's not willing to just yes-man you.

lol @ everyone dude its just u and one other guy, speak for urself! and also gamepass & other streaming services are so far a failure so clearly it hasn't worked out well so far....if it had worked so well microsoft wouldn't have had to release their games on their competition!!!!