Rose (Banned) May 14, 2014 @ 1:34am
Why don't people like steam?
Excluding steams ban policy of ban first never care at all later I don't see why some PC gamers refuse to use steam. I was on a cube world forum and I saw people say "There is no reason to use steam" So I mean I guess like those 3000+ games and games that go on sale for crazy percentages aren't a reason?

Its not just on the cube world forums I saw on several other places people just don't use steam or rarely use it as PC gamers. I just don't get it...
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FFL2and3rocks May 14, 2014 @ 2:07am 
Because Steam is DRM. Many people consider it intrusive and would rather buy DRM-free games instead of being forced to use Steam.
[{MaDef224}] May 14, 2014 @ 5:59am 
While I have no problem with DRM, I do have a problem with being forced to "check in" every 2 weeks to play a game I paid money for. So as far as I'm concerned Steam is "spyware". I own 2 Titles that require Steam (I bought the disks retail), I will not buy another.
Rose (Banned) May 14, 2014 @ 7:31am 
Originally posted by madef224:
While I have no problem with DRM, I do have a problem with being forced to "check in" every 2 weeks to play a game I paid money for. So as far as I'm concerned Steam is "spyware". I own 2 Titles that require Steam (I bought the disks retail), I will not buy another.
Steam does have your user account information when it sends the data to steam...so its not spyware...
eddy May 14, 2014 @ 11:25am 
Most people against Steam/DRM are pirates and torrent their games still.

Originally posted by madef224:
While I have no problem with DRM, I do have a problem with being forced to "check in" every 2 weeks to play a game I paid money for. So as far as I'm concerned Steam is "spyware". I own 2 Titles that require Steam (I bought the disks retail), I will not buy another.
Huh? I have an account I didnt log into for 3 years and it is fine? What are these two weeks you are referring to?

Also if you have a problem with launchers (Steam in this case for those "2 titles you own") how do you deal with services like Origin for EA games, Uplay for Ubisoft games, Games for Windows live (when it was still active) or the launcher software for ANY MMO you play? All of which are a form of DRM.

I mean come on now. Every game has some form of DRM the days of dropping a CD into the drive and launching the game are OVER.

Welcome to the digital age.
Last edited by eddy; May 14, 2014 @ 11:26am
May 14, 2014 @ 12:03pm 
For most of the world it's a good service for PC gaming. Maybe if I lived somewhere where I could buy original PC games physically, steam wouldn't matter as much?
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Originally posted by madef224:
While I have no problem with DRM, I do have a problem with being forced to "check in" every 2 weeks to play a game I paid money for. So as far as I'm concerned Steam is "spyware". I own 2 Titles that require Steam (I bought the disks retail), I will not buy another.

Steam has an offline mode that is made to be indefinite - as in, once acitvated, you never have to log back into Steam online to play your games. Note however, that it only works for OFFLINE games, as any online game would of course require a connection.

The main reason people do not understand this is because there is a bug that affects many people where it will prompt you for a login after a period of time, sometimes a few weeks, sometimes sooner. This is not by design and does not affect everyone, as it has been confirmed by Valve that offline mode was meant to be indefinite.
Stevenson Family May 14, 2014 @ 4:33pm 
Originally posted by FFL2and3rocks:
Because Steam is DRM. Many people consider it intrusive and would rather pirate games instead of being forced to use Steam.

Edited for accuracy.

The vast majority of games have DRM and when it comes to different flavours, steam is by far the best on the market. You can pick your DRM or you can pirate, those are the choices.

Steam gives me large sales, Early access, Indie games I never would have heard of, good (well, large) community, Workshop, Cards/Items (which I sell and buy games with) and no risk of my disks getting scratched or lost.

As has been mentioned, compare that to Uplay, GFWL and Origin.
Last edited by Stevenson Family; May 14, 2014 @ 4:33pm
FFL2and3rocks May 14, 2014 @ 4:45pm 
Originally posted by Gareth:
Originally posted by FFL2and3rocks:
Because Steam is DRM. Many people consider it intrusive and would rather pirate games instead of being forced to use Steam.

Edited for accuracy.

The vast majority of games have DRM and when it comes to different flavours, steam is by far the best on the market. You can pick your DRM or you can pirate, those are the choices.

I've bought over 100 DRM-free games from GOG. :woo::fhappy:
There are plenty of other places that let you buy games and download them without needing a client or other DRM.
Last edited by FFL2and3rocks; May 14, 2014 @ 4:47pm
Stevenson Family May 14, 2014 @ 4:57pm 
15 year old games and occasional indie stuff is not most games.

Find me a legal, DRM free copy of Dark Souls 2, or other AAA games, released in the last 5 years and we can talk.

How about that new watchdogs? Where can I buy that DRM free? Oh thats right, you can't.
Last edited by Stevenson Family; May 14, 2014 @ 5:04pm
Rose (Banned) May 14, 2014 @ 5:29pm 
Originally posted by Gareth:
15 year old games and occasional indie stuff is not most games.

Find me a legal, DRM free copy of Dark Souls 2, or other AAA games, released in the last 5 years and we can talk.

How about that new watchdogs? Where can I buy that DRM free? Oh thats right, you can't.
Who cares? DRM isn't bad unless its abused. Like XBOX One for example before they fixed anything.
Last edited by Rose; May 14, 2014 @ 5:29pm
Hakuso May 14, 2014 @ 5:30pm 
Originally posted by I AM SHODAN!:
Originally posted by madef224:
While I have no problem with DRM, I do have a problem with being forced to "check in" every 2 weeks to play a game I paid money for. So as far as I'm concerned Steam is "spyware". I own 2 Titles that require Steam (I bought the disks retail), I will not buy another.

Steam has an offline mode that is made to be indefinite - as in, once acitvated, you never have to log back into Steam online to play your games. Note however, that it only works for OFFLINE games, as any online game would of course require a connection.

The main reason people do not understand this is because there is a bug that affects many people where it will prompt you for a login after a period of time, sometimes a few weeks, sometimes sooner. This is not by design and does not affect everyone, as it has been confirmed by Valve that offline mode was meant to be indefinite.



There's also the issue of having the power go out resetting offline mode and requiring you to log in again. If Steam is not exited properly you can be locked out of your games. Not an issue for most people, but some of us do not have reliable internet access. Having my single player games buggered because the power went down is not fun.

I don't hate Steam though, they're definitely the lesser evil in an industry filled with paranoid money grubbing publishers who take the great work of their developers and then wreck it with UPlay or Origin. At least Steam usually works like it should.

My issue with Steam is exactly what madef244 was talking about. Skyrim was a real tick-off, I shouldn't need a network connection to install a boxed game. That's exactly why I haven't bought an EA or Ubisoft game for PC in years.

Now I use Steam as a rental service, when games hit 80-90% off and are about the equivilant of renting it from RedBox for PlayStation I'll "buy" a game here. For all the games I want to actually own there are other places to buy them. All of my games from other places, hundreds from GOG, dozens from The Humble Store (with bonus Steam keys), and a handful from Desura/GamersGate/Games Republic...

Those will install from my backups on the external drive, patch from local files (or not if a patch breaks something - Steam really should allow you to refuse a wonky update), and play without ever having a network connection. Those I feel I own, those I buy at full price (and even pre-order), those I can trust will work for me no matter where I am.

Of course even for their entire library granted to me free I wouldn't install UPlay or Origin on my PC.
jobert May 14, 2014 @ 5:33pm 
back to this 2 week thing? Is that real or just a figment of paranoia?
Hakuso May 14, 2014 @ 5:35pm 
Originally posted by Gareth:
15 year old games and occasional indie stuff is not most games.

Find me a legal, DRM free copy of Dark Souls 2, or other AAA games, released in the last 5 years and we can talk.

How about that new watchdogs? Where can I buy that DRM free? Oh thats right, you can't.

Direct sales from developers, you can often get a DRM-Free copy with a bonus Steam key if you visit the dev's site, though that does not apply to EA and Ubi or even 2k. The liklihood of finding a game sans DRM is inversely proportined with the size of the publisher who owns the people who make it.

I don't know about you but Don't Starve, Thomas Was Alone, Race The Sun, Sword of the Stars, Defender's Quest, Shadowrun Returns, Trine, and The Witcher series seem like they have higher quality that the graphics leaden IP milking hollowness of most AAA titles.
pedrorabie May 14, 2014 @ 5:38pm 
I Just started to VERY DISLIKE STEAM when I noticed you're not allowed to return a product. In many countries including mine, you are entitled by law to return a product, no questions ask, for a brief period of couple of days. Just bought Civilization 5 pack and after playing it for 40 minutes and really hating it, I discovered that I'm forced to keep it. Next time I'll be very carefull before paying a single cent to a vendor like this one.
Originally posted by Gareth:
Originally posted by FFL2and3rocks:
Because Steam is DRM. Many people consider it intrusive and would rather pirate games instead of being forced to use Steam.

Edited for accuracy.

The vast majority of games have DRM and when it comes to different flavours, steam is by far the best on the market. You can pick your DRM or you can pirate, those are the choices.

Steam gives me large sales, Early access, Indie games I never would have heard of, good (well, large) community, Workshop, Cards/Items (which I sell and buy games with) and no risk of my disks getting scratched or lost.

As has been mentioned, compare that to Uplay, GFWL and Origin.

There are plenty of non DRM options available. Your baseless assumption that people who do not want DRM in their games just end up pirating is simply that, a baseless assumption. There are shops now that sell DRM free games, such as GOG, there are plenty of DRM free games available in bundles and directly from developers themselves, and free games online all over the place. Just because you can't find a specific "AAA" game without some kind of DRM doesn't mean people will pirate everything as a result. Your argument is nothing but conjecture and narrow minded cherrypicking. Your vague hinting that indie and older games are somehow unacceptable or not fun is ridiculous. If you'd try something other than the same old AAA stuff year after year maybe you'd realize there is more to gaming than just big publishers and the shiniest graphics. :)
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