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iza 2014 年 6 月 19 日 上午 10:56
The winner of cashgrabs.....
...Incredible Valve.. :D

Atleast you don't have to, but "30" people out of how many? 6 million? From one team, and probably ~300k people are spending into badges and 3 games in return is nothing in all honesty.

I know, i know i don't need to do that if i don't want to but this summer sales the customers aren't winning at all.. :D
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Satoru 2014 年 6 月 19 日 下午 7:34 
引用自 cinedine
I like how nearly every one on Steam seems to have taken an advanced class in rethorics when they fail to defend or explain their point.

I use those terms to describe the flawed arguments of others. My points stand and if you actually argue against my points you will receive an appropriate response.

you might want to add that to your ten-dollar-vocabulary as they're pretty common in discussions:

I will note that you should take your own advice as snide ad-hominem attacks do not bolster your position.

Activision is frequently referred to as "money grabbing" - pricing their games at premium, not having many sales, overcharging for map packs

That is not an 'analogy' so you may wish to improve your own 'ten dollar vocabulary'.

EA has gotten a lot of flag for their inclusion of microtransactions
Ubisoft is constantly "milking their franchises"

While one could spend the time to discuss those, they're not relevant to the discussion at hand.

So if we can call those companies out on their money-making schemes - why not Valve?

If 'money making' is a point of contention then ALL companies are guilty of it. Because all for-profit organizations are 'money making schemes' by your incredibly broad definiton. People bandy such weasel words about, but then do not realize how the actual application of the term would essentially encompass all commerce based ventures.

It is the same flawed premise that all 'marketing' campaigns are 'cash grabs' taht the OP posits. They are broad mis-used terms that essentially apply to all forms of commerce using the loose 'criteria' put forth. In such a braod terminology, Mcdonalds Monopoly game is a 'cash grab'.

If you are going to bandy about such terms at least use them in instances of utterly egerigous violations. Such as I described where a Chinese MMO gave out a daily 'reward' to users but only to the TOP user who purchasd teh MOST keys at the end of the day, thus creating a vicious purcchasing cycle to become the 'top' person. Nothing in the current system even remotely comes close to resembling something this egregious. Especially when users can craft badges without spending a single penny, assuming they are willing to trade items for what amounts to time exploiting trade arbitage.

Too make things worse, you're only constructive post is flawed:
You have to spend money in order to be eligible for the chance of free games. You either need something to trade or get the cards in order to craft the badge in other ways. Just voting doesn't cut it.

I've spent literally zero dollars so far on the sale across my primary and 2 alts. I'm simply voting right now. At the end of the sale my alts would have spent zero dollars Even my primary can 'in theory' spend zero dollars and get enough cards to craft a single badge (though it is unlikely I will spend zero dollars on the sale simply because of the deals, not becase I need cards) Or I could trade and tehn craft, again spending zero dollars. In none of those situations do I have to spend any actual money to craft a badge. It may not be 'optimal' however users may craft badges without spending any money at all.
最后由 Satoru 编辑于; 2014 年 6 月 19 日 下午 7:39
Τhe Rolling Cheese Wheel 2014 年 6 月 19 日 下午 9:12 
Last winter sale there was no giveaway at all. Where were all the whinining about greed then? Oh right no where to found. All of a sudden Valve starts doing giveaways during a sale, and people claim greedy.

I can't even.
Ubernerd Lucas 2014 年 6 月 19 日 下午 9:17 
I don't like this promotion. The proportion of 'winners' (people receiving free games) is minuscule compared to the number of entrants. It really grates on me to see them advertise 'free games' when I know that I'm not going to actually get one (especially right after GoG handed out a completely free game to everyone just for visiting the sale). Clearly, this promotion is more of a marketing stunt than an actual attempt at goodwill towards consumers.

All that being said, the summer camp promotion isn't the "cash grab." That would be the entire Steam marketplace system; Valve is getting a ridiculous profit just from allowing the market to exist, cutting in developers on the profits to encourage production of goods, and dangling a (mostly) meaningless carrot to get people to participate. However, I can't condemn them for their actions when I see all the "2:1" deals people think are fair for trading cards.
最后由 Ubernerd Lucas 编辑于; 2014 年 6 月 19 日 下午 9:17
iza 2014 年 6 月 19 日 下午 9:30 
Last winter sale there was no giveaway at all. Where were all the whinining about greed then? Oh right no where to found. All of a sudden Valve starts doing giveaways during a sale, and people claim greedy.

I can't even.
This is no giveaway... This is paid lotto.
Τhe Rolling Cheese Wheel 2014 年 6 月 19 日 下午 9:33 
引用自 iza :>
Last winter sale there was no giveaway at all. Where were all the whinining about greed then? Oh right no where to found. All of a sudden Valve starts doing giveaways during a sale, and people claim greedy.

I can't even.
This is no giveaway... This is paid lotto.

At least there is a lotto.
iza 2014 年 6 月 19 日 下午 9:35 
引用自 iza :>
This is no giveaway... This is paid lotto.

At least there is a lotto.
Yeah you know my luck in Las Vegas is higher than Steam. Even my chances are better. In all of honesty who thinks that anyone has a high chance to win? :D
Majestical 2014 年 6 月 19 日 下午 9:49 
引用自 Satoru
So apparently giving away free things is a 'cash grab' huh?

Note you don't even have to spend a dime to win. Just vote 3 times and you get a card. Presto you're entered.

It would only be a 'cash grab' if it was like those Chinese F2P games where the TOP PERSON who spends the most money per-day gets some kind of bonus. Otherwise a 'cash grab' where you don't have to spend any money to win, isn't a cash grab.
Man I'm usually all for valve but 30 people out of millions is not a lot.
Dune Jumper 2014 年 6 月 19 日 下午 10:17 
People are actually praising Valve for giving out free games to some 30 people out of millions?

When Origin gives out free games to everyone, it's just like "Oh my gosh they're evil! They're just trying to lure everyone in to use Origin!" But when Valve gives out a couple free games, they're automaticly angels apparently.
最后由 Dune Jumper 编辑于; 2014 年 6 月 19 日 下午 10:18
Τhe Rolling Cheese Wheel 2014 年 6 月 19 日 下午 10:25 
引用自 Dune Jumper
People are actually praising Valve for giving out free games to some 30 people out of millions?

When Origin gives out free games to everyone, it's just like "Oh my gosh they're evil! They're just trying to lure everyone in to use Origin!" But when Valve gives out a couple free games, they're automaticly angels apparently.

EA has an ulterior motive to giving out free games. Obviously they want to bring in more customers. If they were in Valve's position, I doubt they would give out their "precious" games for free.

EA said it themeselves many months ago, discounted games devalue games. (which implies free games will most assuredly devalue harder) They of course later recant this stance when they realized that origin needs more active gamers.
AHoopyFrood 2014 年 6 月 20 日 上午 12:08 
Look, no one gives away anything with out expecting to get a return on investment equal to or greater the cost of the free items. Sometimes the RoI is simply good PR, more often it's revenue, either way that doesn't make it a "cash grab" or evil. It's just marketing, and a really good job of it as well. Valve is a business last I checked and if they can find a way to earn more money while keeping the customer happy and engaged then all the power to them.

But hey if you don't like it, as a consumer, you get to speak with your wallet. Don't buy anything, sell your cards for voting and come out on top. I fail to see why this is worth getting worked up over.

Also if any of you moaning about this promotion do happen to win I fully expect you to turn down the prize, as not to be asscoited with this dirty, dirty cash grab. It just would be the moral thing to do.
最后由 AHoopyFrood 编辑于; 2014 年 6 月 20 日 上午 12:22
AHoopyFrood 2014 年 6 月 20 日 上午 12:20 
Man I'm usually all for valve but 30 people out of millions is not a lot.

So because your chances (and everyone elses) are low then they should just can the whole thing. If people some how think that crafting a lot is increasing their chances then that's on them. A fool and their money are soon parted. If you're smart enough to see the angle (which isn't hard to see at all), just avoid it. Complainging here just comes off as sour grapes.

Assuming one team wins every day you only need to craft 1 badge a day to be eligible. That's 9 badges since voting will give you one. Trading/selling will easily give you the rest for no cost and in reality it's made even easier since buying games in the sale gives you free cards and crafting and winning give free cards.
Hanomaly 2014 年 6 月 20 日 上午 12:28 
Even if chances are slim, isn't it better than NOTHING?

i mean seriously.. in previous years during sales you just got to enjoy the great sales. Even once trading cards came along, previously you only got the xp for crafting them.

This year there is also a sliiiiiim chance you can get 3 free games. Last year. The year before the year before, there was /no/ chance that 30 people a day would get 3 free games.

i don't get the whiners.

It's like ... we all buy groceries at the store every day anyway. If one week the grocery store was like out of everyone who buys every day this week.. 1 of you will get a free $25 gift card to the store. Why would people complain? SURE the chance is slim... but so what? It's nicer than nothing at all.

i am pleased with a chance to get some free games, even if small. It's more generous than previous sales anyways. :) and certainly more generous than any other recent sales i've seen on other sites where there's no chance to get any games for free for just participating in the sale as you normally might.
Fastdash 2014 年 6 月 20 日 上午 12:36 
I'm putting money into it, but even if I don't get 3 free games from my wishlist, atleast I have some more Steam levels.
Stevenson Family 2014 年 6 月 20 日 上午 1:30 
Obviously steam shouldn't give games away period.

IDK whats wrong with the world, they try and add something a bit of fun with a chance to win free games to the usual sale and an entitled minority bite thier hand off about the "odds".

If you're spending extra money crafting badges thinking you're going to win free games you're being a dumbass. Thats not how it works. Think of it less like gambling (where the odds are always against you) and more like a free raffle.

As a side note lets not forget what happened when valve gave away L4D for free during the winter sale. Things crashed, people couldn't use the market and people ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and complained a lot.
Perrywinkle 2014 年 6 月 20 日 上午 2:18 
is only a casino like gambling you can trow money for fun expecting something in return but the payment if you win is nothing compared on how much you spend,now this is a pay to win contest at the end of day the team that have spent the most money won but if the members of that team have spend so much for crafting that badges and enjoy burning money is usseless gifting tree games because the can aford many games as they want,just my opinion,by my part im only enjoy selling the cards,are free and expensives
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