Does steam girl actually trans persona?

[cBoone]

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[Ben Lubar]

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If I drew a transgender character and you told me that she couldn't possibly be transgender because she was in a drawing I'd be pretty pissed at you.

Good thing I didn't say that about this character then huh?

You literally did.

Opprinnelig skrevet av SlowMango:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ben Lubar:

Has the artist stated she is cis? There is no "default" gender identity.

You go with the majority, which is cis.

If you weren't arguing that the character must be cisgender because someone drew them, you wouldn't have replied to me three times in a row trying to "disprove" my claim that the artist who created the character would know whether the character was transgender.

Fictional characters can be transgender just like real people can. Xenia the Linux mascot. Madeline from Celeste. Ticker from Warframe. You don't get to claim that someone is cisgender "until otherwise proven". You simply don't know until you know. There isn't a default gender identity.

[76561199734210705]

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Opprinnelig skrevet av SlowMango:

Good thing I didn't say that about this character then huh?

You literally did.

Opprinnelig skrevet av SlowMango:

You go with the majority, which is cis.

If you weren't arguing that the character must be cisgender because someone drew her, you wouldn't have replied to me three times in a row trying to "disprove" my claim that the artist who created the character would know whether the character was transgender.

Fictional characters can be transgender just like real people can. Xenia the Linux mascot. Madeline from Celeste. Ticker from Warframe. You don't get to claim that someone is cisgender "until otherwise proven". You simply don't know until you know. There isn't a default gender identity.

lmao. well at least you still understand that that character is fictional. just like this story you make up about them. it's all in your head. there's no character there. comparing them to real people is insanity.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ben Lubar:

Opprinnelig skrevet av SlowMango:

Good thing I didn't say that about this character then huh?

You literally did.

Opprinnelig skrevet av SlowMango:

You go with the majority, which is cis.

If you weren't arguing that the character must be cisgender because someone drew her, you wouldn't have replied to me three times in a row trying to "disprove" my claim that the artist who created the character would know whether the character was transgender.

Fictional characters can be transgender just like real people can. Xenia the Linux mascot. Madeline from Celeste. Ticker from Warframe. You don't get to claim that someone is cisgender "until otherwise proven". You simply don't know until you know. There isn't a default gender identity.

Except that was in context to a reply to this;

Opprinnelig skrevet av SlowMango:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ben Lubar:

Did you ask the artist or are you just claiming that because you're assuming anything you think is true?

The artist hasn't stated shes trans. Until she does, she isn't.

If you're going to accuse me of something, make sure to include all context.

Oh, and Xenia isn't the mascot for Linux. Tux is the mascot. Xenia got a small bump again in 2020 but isn't the mascot for linux.

[Ben Lubar]

Opprinnelig skrevet av SlowMango:

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You literally did.

If you weren't arguing that the character must be cisgender because someone drew her, you wouldn't have replied to me three times in a row trying to "disprove" my claim that the artist who created the character would know whether the character was transgender.

Fictional characters can be transgender just like real people can. Xenia the Linux mascot. Madeline from Celeste. Ticker from Warframe. You don't get to claim that someone is cisgender "until otherwise proven". You simply don't know until you know. There isn't a default gender identity.

Except that was in context to a reply to this;

Opprinnelig skrevet av SlowMango:

The artist hasn't stated shes trans. Until she does, she isn't.

If you're going to accuse me of something, make sure to include all context.

You are claiming in the quote right there that if the artist hasn't said whether the character is transgender, then the character isn't transgender. Not that you don't know, which would be reasonable and was the thing you were disputing in my post. You are claiming that a character who isn't explicitly transgender is cisgender by default.

That claim quoted my question, meaning it was explicitly a rebuttal to my question's implied claim that the artist would know whether the character they created is transgender and we do not know what the artist is thinking because we have not asked the artist. There isn't a default gender identity.

Opprinnelig skrevet av SlowMango:

Oh, and Xenia isn't the mascot for Linux. Tux is the mascot. Xenia got a small bump again in 2020 but isn't the mascot for linux.

Is the Valve mascot bald? The words "Xenia, the Linux Mascot" referring to a real character does not preclude "Tux, the Linux Mascot" from also being a real character.

If I had said the words "Sonic the Hedgehog", that would mean I am talking specifically about the Sonic who is a hedgehog, as opposed to Sonic the Restaurant or Sonic the ISP. That does not mean I am claiming that all hedgehogs are named Sonic.

[Mad Scientist]

Seems some are really good at fishing. Anyway.

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ben Lubar:

You are claiming in the quote right there that if the artist hasn't said the character is transgender, then the character isn't transgender.

That IS the societal default, so, yes unless they make it super obvious.

Not everything has to he "is it this or is it that", Valve likes neutrality, so they're unlikely going to want that sort of thing on the front page of a sale theyre doing.

Seems the desired goal always happens with these transparent threads.

[76561199675789752]

Hilarious topic.

"Does this imaginary girl, which isn't even part of any story at all and can hardly be called a character, like mayonnaise on her fries or not?"

- "Well that depends if the artist imagined her as liking mayonnaise on her fries..."

"No, most people like mayonnaise on their fries so if the artist didn't say that she doesn't, then she does!!!!"

[Slakerman]

the truth is u will never be a real woman

[Boblin the Goblin]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ben Lubar:

Opprinnelig skrevet av SlowMango:

Except that was in context to a reply to this;




If you're going to accuse me of something, make sure to include all context.

You are claiming in the quote right there that if the artist hasn't said whether the character is transgender, then the character isn't transgender. Not that you don't know, which would be reasonable and was the thing you were disputing in my post. You are claiming that a character who isn't explicitly transgender is cisgender by default.

That claim quoted my question, meaning it was explicitly a rebuttal to my question's implied claim that the artist would know whether the character they created is transgender and we do not know what the artist is thinking because we have not asked the artist. There isn't a default gender identity.

Opprinnelig skrevet av SlowMango:

Oh, and Xenia isn't the mascot for Linux. Tux is the mascot. Xenia got a small bump again in 2020 but isn't the mascot for linux.

Is the Valve mascot bald? The words "Xenia, the Linux Mascot" referring to a real character does not preclude "Tux, the Linux Mascot" from also being a real character.

If I had said the words "Sonic the Hedgehog", that would mean I am talking specifically about the Sonic who is a hedgehog, as opposed to Sonic the Restaurant or Sonic the ISP. That does not mean I am claiming that all hedgehogs are named Sonic.

You claimed I implied she couldn't possibly be transgender.

That's false. I said unless the creator says she is, she isn't.

[76561199723167594]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Mad Scientist:

Seems some are really good at fishing. Anyway.

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ben Lubar:

You are claiming in the quote right there that if the artist hasn't said the character is transgender, then the character isn't transgender.

That IS the societal default, so, yes unless they make it super obvious.

Not everything has to he "is it this or is it that", Valve likes neutrality, so they're unlikely going to want that sort of thing on the front page of a sale theyre doing.

Seems the desired goal always happens with these transparent threads.

What is a transparent? Someone who identifies as a parent, but isn't?

By the way, shouldn't you guys be asking the artist what that person in the drawing identifies as? Why do you assume it's a she?

[Ben Lubar]

Opprinnelig skrevet av SlowMango:

You claimed I implied she couldn't possibly be transgender.

That's false. I said unless the creator says she is, she isn't.

You keep saying the same thing and claiming it's different somehow. It's not. You're simply wrong. There is no default gender identity.

Read the post you started this conversation about. I said that we don't know whether the character is transgender and we won't know unless the creator of the character tells us. You said that they are definitely cisgender because we have not had an explicit written statement from the artist. Your response was a response to me, meaning that if you disagreed with what I had said.

[Ben Lubar]

The Steam Sale girl's canon pronouns are they/them.

https://x.com/nemupanart/status/1806449488195624995
https://x.com/nemupanart/status/1769524443527745634

[76561199723167594]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ben Lubar:

The Steam Sale girl's canon pronouns are they/them.

{LENKE FJERNET}https://x.com/nemupanart/status/1806449488195624995
{LENKE FJERNET}https://x.com/nemupanart/status/1769524443527745634

I don't see any pronouns. But I do see that he says "girl". So there you have it. It's a girl.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ben Lubar:

The Steam Sale girl's canon pronouns are they/them.

https://x.com/nemupanart/status/1806449488195624995
https://x.com/nemupanart/status/1769524443527745634

Would say "We gotta name them now." is labeling their pronouns but whatever floats your boat. The artist also outright calls them a girl in the first linked tweet.

That would be she/her.

[Ben Lubar]

Opprinnelig skrevet av SlowMango:

Would say "We gotta name them now." is labeling their pronouns

Exactly. I haven't seen any other pronouns used by the artist for the character, so when I'm talking about this specific Steam mascot, I will say things like "they are wearing a cat ear hat".

[Boblin the Goblin]

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Opprinnelig skrevet av SlowMango:

Would say "We gotta name them now." is labeling their pronouns

Exactly. I haven't seen any other pronouns used by the artist for the character, so when I'm talking about this specific Steam mascot, I will say things like "they are wearing a cat ear hat".

The first tweet you link the artist calls her a girl.