Valve ruined a generation of gamers

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The craziest thing was how when they announced CS skin update back in 2013, they made a ::wink wink:: statement about it being used for the blackmarket.

Valve is smart. The trouble is, when you think you're the smartest guy in the room, you tend to become evil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqHxVu-QaLg

[Pierce Dalton]

brian9824 původně napsal:

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Listen, when it comes to being a parent, you can't monitor what your kid does 24/7. In fact, that is unhealthy. When you let your kid use a platform like steam, the last thing you think of is that he's going to be trading skins using Steam API to gambling website and betting on matches and gambling with their UI.

That's what Valve has been sued for sucessfully.

Except the lawsuits haven't been large enough to make Valve do anything besides some cease and desist letters from 2016.

They knowingly allow it. They profit from it. Kids are now suffereing from gambling addiction before turning 18.

They can't gamble if they don't have money, and if they choose to spend their own money on that, then they learn a valuable lesson if they lose their money.

Wishful thinking. You really should read some of the comments in that video, like:

"I was 15 when i got hooked on gambling with csgo skins. I spent hundreds of dollars on steam cards for keys and eventually skins. Found out about CSGO Jackpot and started gambling. It was an absolute thrill. My inventory was worth close to $30k at one point before I gambled nearly all of it away. I ended up selling my last couple skins including my minimal wear Dragon Lore and leaving the game entirely. I did come out of it slightly positive but after the insane highs and the depressing lows, it was far too emotionally taxing. I will never buy skins again and won't gamble anything I don't mind losing."

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Pierce Dalton původně napsal:

brian9824 původně napsal:

They can't gamble if they don't have money, and if they choose to spend their own money on that, then they learn a valuable lesson if they lose their money.

Wishful thinking. You really should read some of the comments in that video, like:

"I was 15 when i got hooked on gambling with csgo skins. I spent hundreds of dollars on steam cards for keys and eventually skins. Found out about CSGO Jackpot and started gambling. It was an absolute thrill. My inventory was worth close to $30k at one point before I gambled nearly all of it away. I ended up selling my last couple skins including my minimal wear Dragon Lore and leaving the game entirely. I did come out of it slightly positive but after the insane highs and the depressing lows, it was far too emotionally taxing. I will never buy skins again and won't gamble anything I don't mind losing."

This is exactly why Steam and Valve are taking those sites down. I found another news report related specifically to CS:GO "Skin Betting" as its known: https://dotesports.com/counter-strike/news/csgo-skin-gambling-valve-cease-and-desist-experts-3546

2016 but they have not stopped since then, there was another take down last year in October as well.

[Pierce Dalton]

Malfunctioning Robot původně napsal:

The conversation. But I'll take that as a no since you rarely do anyway

Well, of course I do. You were saying that your kids have done plenty that you don't know about, remember? So how can you be sure that you were a good parent?

Malfunctioning Robot původně napsal:

Pierce Dalton původně napsal:

Well, that's good to hear. As I said, though, that's what most parents do, at least good parents. They tell their children what they shouldn't do, right?

And if you didn't monitor them 24/7, they might have done things that you're not aware of.

And? I'm sure they did plenty I don't know about. They didn't develop a gambling addiction despite buying pokemon cards and playing games on steam.

But people failing to parent will always want to blame others for their failures

[Pierce Dalton]

Mischievous Sly Succubus původně napsal:

Pierce Dalton původně napsal:

Wishful thinking. You really should read some of the comments in that video, like:

"I was 15 when i got hooked on gambling with csgo skins. I spent hundreds of dollars on steam cards for keys and eventually skins. Found out about CSGO Jackpot and started gambling. It was an absolute thrill. My inventory was worth close to $30k at one point before I gambled nearly all of it away. I ended up selling my last couple skins including my minimal wear Dragon Lore and leaving the game entirely. I did come out of it slightly positive but after the insane highs and the depressing lows, it was far too emotionally taxing. I will never buy skins again and won't gamble anything I don't mind losing."

This is exactly why Steam and Valve are taking those sites down. I found another news report related specifically to CS:GO "Skin Betting" as its known: https://dotesports.com/counter-strike/news/csgo-skin-gambling-valve-cease-and-desist-experts-3546

2016 but they have not stopped since then, there was another take down last year in October as well.

Yeah, that's good but you can also gamble on Steam itself...

[Malfunctioning Robot]

Pierce Dalton původně napsal:

Malfunctioning Robot původně napsal:

The conversation. But I'll take that as a no since you rarely do anyway

Well, of course I do. You were saying that your kids have done plenty that you don't know about, remember? So how can you be sure that you were a good parent?

Malfunctioning Robot původně napsal:

And? I'm sure they did plenty I don't know about. They didn't develop a gambling addiction despite buying pokemon cards and playing games on steam.

But people failing to parent will always want to blame others for their failures

My being a good parent isn't on topic, thats just you off topic trolling as usual. So I'll ask again, anything to add to the conversation?

[76561197963519852]

This thread is so full of shills its insane. People attacking me, when the problem has never affected me. Saying its all on the parents to stop their kids from gambling... lol

[Malfunctioning Robot]

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This thread is so full of shills its insane. People attacking me, when the problem has never affected me. Saying its all on the parents to stop their kids from gambling... lol

In other words you have no experience, no dog in the race, and no actual opinions of your own. Just regurgitating the position of some youtuber

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

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This thread is so full of shills its insane. People attacking me, when the problem has never affected me. Saying its all on the parents to stop their kids from gambling... lol

No one attacked you, I sure as heck didn't. Heck the topic has been rather civilized so far

[Pierce Dalton]

Malfunctioning Robot původně napsal:

Pierce Dalton původně napsal:

Well, of course I do. You were saying that your kids have done plenty that you don't know about, remember? So how can you be sure that you were a good parent?

My being a good parent isn't on topic, thats just you off topic trolling as usual. So I'll ask again, anything to add to the conversation?

Well, it's important to keep in mind that was you that replied to me here, remember?

Malfunctioning Robot původně napsal:

Pierce Dalton původně napsal:

Well, if your kids are doing drugs would you say that's your fault too? You can't watch them 24/7, can you?

Absolutely. Failure of parenting

[Pierce Dalton]

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This thread is so full of shills its insane. People attacking me, when the problem has never affected me. Saying its all on the parents to stop their kids from gambling... lol

And kids are just a part of the problem. Many adults are addicted too.

[Brian9824]

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This thread is so full of shills its insane. People attacking me, when the problem has never affected me. Saying its all on the parents to stop their kids from gambling... lol

Not liking people with a different opinion isn't attacking you. I mean i've asked you for an example of one of the claims and you refused to provide one.

I've also pointed out as have others that parents have the responsibility to parent. Steam can't stop your kids from gambling anymore then they can stop them from buying scratch off tickets, drugs, or wasting all their money buying pokemon cards or anything else they can spend money on.

As parents we have the capability to monitor what our kids do, even if we aren't around. Its just doing so requires more work then some are willing to do.

Kids can't open a bank account, so parents have full access to their financials and can track what they are spending money on until they become an adult

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Pierce Dalton původně napsal:

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This thread is so full of shills its insane. People attacking me, when the problem has never affected me. Saying its all on the parents to stop their kids from gambling... lol

And kids are just a part of the problem. Many adults are addicted too.

This I can 100% agree with, I used to spend plenty on TF2 crates so saying its the kids is only covering 50% of the issue at any time

[Brian9824]

Mischievous Sly Succubus původně napsal:

Pierce Dalton původně napsal:

And kids are just a part of the problem. Many adults are addicted too.

This I can 100% agree with, I used to spend plenty on TF2 crates so saying its the kids is only covering 50% of the issue at any time

Yep, anyone can become addicted, but there is only so much any company can do. People can be addicted to food, that doesn't mean grocery stores need to start monitoring how much food you eat or telling people that they have bought too much red meat this month and its not good for them to eat that much and refuse to sell them a steak....

Unfortunately we live in a generation where people don't want to assume responsibility for anything, even their own actions and they look for others to take the blame and do it for them.

[xBCxRangers]

brian9824 původně napsal:

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This thread is so full of shills its insane. People attacking me, when the problem has never affected me. Saying its all on the parents to stop their kids from gambling... lol

Not liking people with a different opinion isn't attacking you. I mean i've asked you for an example of one of the claims and you refused to provide one.

I've also pointed out as have others that parents have the responsibility to parent. Steam can't stop your kids from gambling anymore then they can stop them from buying scratch off tickets, drugs, or wasting all their money buying pokemon cards or anything else they can spend money on.

As parents we have the capability to monitor what our kids do, even if we aren't around. Its just doing so requires more work then some are willing to do.

Kids can't open a bank account, so parents have full access to their financials and can track what they are spending money on until they become an adult

Right but then again, companies cannot let 13 year olds into a casino to play the slots, if their parent aren't around. 13 is too young to start these accounts. At least 18, other states can cite 21.

[Pierce Dalton]

brian9824 původně napsal:

Mischievous Sly Succubus původně napsal:

This I can 100% agree with, I used to spend plenty on TF2 crates so saying its the kids is only covering 50% of the issue at any time

Yep, anyone can become addicted, but there is only so much any company can do. People can be addicted to food, that doesn't mean grocery stores need to start monitoring how much food you eat or telling people that they have bought too much red meat this month and its not good for them to eat that much and refuse to sell them a steak....

Unfortunately we live in a generation where people don't want to assume responsibility for anything, even their own actions and they look for others to take the blame and do it for them.

Well, I'm sorry but you could have made a better argument. After all, food is something that everyone needs to survive. Gambling, on the other hand...