Where's the line?

[B0SR0K]

I had my profile pic yanked again this past week.

I have defended the image once before and the appeal overturned the unjust removal. I continued to use the image for the last few years (since pre-Covid) without issue. This time my appeal is denied without explanation. This action also barred me from changing my profile for a week. Am I accumulating strikes against my account over this? I would like to know. What is far more irritating is the lack of answers I get from Steam as to where the actual line is. You encourage Steam users to be self-expressive, but when I am, your ambiguous guidelines land me in hot water. Repeatedly pointing to your guidelines and saying "well, we were offended" does not provide me explanation.

I would appreciate it if someone from Steam read my closed tickets and gave me an unbiased answer. So far, I have received "copypasta" from someone who seemed irritated to do their job. I wasn't trolling when I asked if it was fine for me to use a different iteration of the same image doctored in Photoshop to be (I'd imagine) "less offensive", then attached and sent back in the ticket. I was told further tickets would be ignored about the issue so I am making this post.

In addition to my inquiry, I played another Counter-Strike 2 comp match last night where I was called homophobic and racial slurs by the same exact players I reported over a week ago (for the very same slurs). I provided explanation in the report and offered screenshots. I didn't hear back about any of that. So my current takeaway is that humorous imagery of an overweight man in lingerie (no nudity or sexual acts depicted) playing an outdated V.R system is unacceptable yet racism is? I suggest you start handing out bans for this constant barrage of classless bigotry in your online games and clean this cesspool of a community up a little bit. (In Counter-Strike 2 we all click the same green button agreeing to guidelines before comp matches but it seems you don't enforce them)

In 19 years of owning this Steam account, I've only had two issues with Steam moderators. Both have been this image and it does not depict anything graphic or sexual in nature. I feel like we're avoiding real issues and attacking nonsense here. AITA?

[PaulKrawitz]

引用自 Lunar Fang：

引用自 Satoru：

Step 1 ) stop breaking the rules

Step 2 ) refer to step 1

We have lots of rules that people in power gladly destroy if it benefits them or just don't follow for their own amusement and steam is no exception despite how hard you want to believe steam and it's staff are infallible. You're at the mercy of someone else who at the end of the day has their own beliefs and political stances.

China: Don't break the rules and you're fine.

Russia: Ditto.

[Chalupacabaras]

引用自 PaulKrawitz：

引用自 Over It：

I admit, I didn't read every comment here. I'd be curious to know what your pfp was. Steam allows A LOT of images of sexualized cartoon children. There's entire animated backgrounds showing them dancing and countless anime/loli/whatever the word du jour is profile pictures.

It's practically a utopia for burgeoning pedophiles.

That's because Lolicon and Shotacon are not illegal in the United States, I believe. 🤔

Correct, it's not illegal here because "loli" and "shota" fail to meet the Miller Test's standards.

https://www.justice.gov/criminal/criminal-ceos/citizens-guide-us-federal-law-obscenity

We also have something called 18 U.S. Code Subsection 2257, for adult content that typically would meet the Miller Test.

https://www.justice.gov/criminal/criminal-ceos/18-usc-2257-2257a-certifications

Fun fact: "Loli" and "shota" are Japanese fictional character tropes, not adult genres.

EDIT: Don't break the rules.

[PaulKrawitz]

引用自 Chalupacabaras：

引用自 PaulKrawitz：

That's because Lolicon and Shotacon are not illegal in the United States, I believe. 🤔

Correct, it's not illegal here because "loli" and "shota" fail to meet the Miller Test's standards.

https://www.justice.gov/criminal/criminal-ceos/citizens-guide-us-federal-law-obscenity

We also have something called 18 U.S. Code Subsection 2257, for adult content that typically would meet the Miller Test.

https://www.justice.gov/criminal/criminal-ceos/18-usc-2257-2257a-certifications

Fun fact: "Loli" and "shota" are Japanese fictional character tropes, not adult genres.

EDIT: Don't break the rules.

Unfortunately that very fact is a bad thing since these two subjects are being used by pedophiles as a "legal" outlet for their rather questionable desires.

Fortunately those two are banned here in Germany and will be punished just like the real deal.

[Over It]

引用自 PaulKrawitz：

引用自 Over It：

I admit, I didn't read every comment here. I'd be curious to know what your pfp was. Steam allows A LOT of images of sexualized cartoon children. There's entire animated backgrounds showing them dancing and countless anime/loli/whatever the word du jour is profile pictures.

It's practically a utopia for burgeoning pedophiles.

That's because Lolicon and Shotacon are not illegal in the United States, I believe. 🤔

A fair point, certainly. It doesn't make those things any less disgusting and questionable at best.

[PaulKrawitz]

引用自 Over It：

引用自 PaulKrawitz：

That's because Lolicon and Shotacon are not illegal in the United States, I believe. 🤔

A fair point, certainly. It doesn't make those things any less disgusting and questionable at best.

Questionable, perhaps.

Disgusting, not sure about that one.

Might sound controversial but I'd rather have someone do their thing over that than go out hunting for a real child.

Same with the child sex dolls, it is... well, at least they keep the minor offenders at bay.

[Pierce Dalton]

引用自 PaulKrawitz：

引用自 Over It：

A fair point, certainly. It doesn't make those things any less disgusting and questionable at best.

Questionable, perhaps.

Disgusting, not sure about that one.

Might sound controversial but I'd rather have someone do their thing over that than go out hunting for a real child.

Same with the child sex dolls, it is... well, at least they keep the minor offenders at bay.

Well, could be worse? Sure, but I don't think that's a good reason to tolerate anything, you know. If that were the case, by this logic you also should be fine with these people parking their cars in front of schools just to "watch".

[PaulKrawitz]

引用自 Pierce Dalton：

引用自 PaulKrawitz：

Questionable, perhaps.

Disgusting, not sure about that one.

Might sound controversial but I'd rather have someone do their thing over that than go out hunting for a real child.

Same with the child sex dolls, it is... well, at least they keep the minor offenders at bay.

Well, could be worse? Sure, but I don't think that's a good reason to tolerate anything, you know. If that were the case, by this logic you also should be fine with these people parking their cars in front of schools just to "watch".

Well that's different since it involves real children that may or may not get harmed, child dolls on the other hand are inanimate objects and thus certainly better than letting them loose on real children.

Don't get me wrong, those dolls should be made illegal and the ones who make them quartered, but it doesn't change the fact that they are a better outlet than actual children.

Just my opinion.

[Shaggin'Wagon]

引用自 D. Flame：

引用自 Shaggin'Wagon：

No.. it's not giving away your steam account information, it's harmless. Thousands of sites do the "sign in through steam" thing, like GOG does to see our steam wish list for example. And yes it is them. It's their Steam UID # that matches their profile. It actually is them. Our UID #'s are unique to every steam account and that's their #.

Thousands of sites do it, and millions of users get their accounts hijacked as a result.

"Logging in through steam" DOES NOT give any website actual access to our accounts. It does not give anyone our user name, password, or any other sensitive information. It only lets that site see our publicly available information posted on our profile. It is NOT the same thing as people that login to those "skin lottery" websites and actually enter their full account information. That's completely different and unrelated. It is literally impossible for anyone to access our account, hijack our account, or steal our account by doing the "Login through steam" prompts for like GOG, that site, and others.

[Mad Scientist]

引用自 Shaggin'Wagon：

引用自 D. Flame：

Thousands of sites do it, and millions of users get their accounts hijacked as a result.

"Logging in through steam" DOES NOT give any website actual access to our accounts. It does not give anyone our user name, password, or any other sensitive information. It only lets that site see our publicly available information posted on our profile. It is NOT the same thing as people that login to those "skin lottery" websites and actually enter their full account information. That's completely different and unrelated. It is literally impossible for anyone to access our account, hijack our account, or steal our account by doing the "Login through steam" prompts for like GOG, that site, and others.

If the account is unprotected then they can easily completely hijack an account. Many of the "Login through Steam" things are completely fake intended to insert an API or takeover unprotected accounts. It's why you see people complaining of game bans after being hijacked.

It's best if users are told to not use their Steam Login outside of Steam, which keeps a minimum level of security by not giving any fake sites a chance to do damage. Most of them are fake, hence the issue being a problem.

[davidb11]

引用自 Over It：

I admit, I didn't read every comment here. I'd be curious to know what your pfp was. Steam allows A LOT of images of sexualized cartoon children. There's entire animated backgrounds showing them dancing and countless anime/loli/whatever the word du jour is profile pictures.

It's practically a utopia for burgeoning pedophiles.

PLease don't make up blatant falsehoods.
Everyone can tell you are wrong about that being on the profiles.
Good lord.

It literally is against Steam's own rules to have that type of stuff.
EVER.
So please don't spread misinformation on a massive scale.

Also, as awkward as Shota and Loli is, it's still not real life people, and even though I hate it, I won't try to confuse the two and start trying to burn people for looking at Loli or Shota.
Besides, we have that one Anime for that anyhow, Boku No Piko.

That will be the last time I bring it up.

[Pierce Dalton]

引用自 davidb11：

引用自 Over It：

I admit, I didn't read every comment here. I'd be curious to know what your pfp was. Steam allows A LOT of images of sexualized cartoon children. There's entire animated backgrounds showing them dancing and countless anime/loli/whatever the word du jour is profile pictures.

It's practically a utopia for burgeoning pedophiles.

PLease don't make up blatant falsehoods.
Everyone can tell you are wrong about that being on the profiles.
Good lord.

It literally is against Steam's own rules to have that type of stuff.
EVER.
So please don't spread misinformation on a massive scale.

Also, as awkward as Shota and Loli is, it's still not real life people, and even though I hate it, I won't try to confuse the two and start trying to burn people for looking at Loli or Shota.
Besides, we have that one Anime for that anyhow, Boku No Piko.

That will be the last time I bring it up.

Well, that user didn't say anything false. Do you know the game "Mage Kanade's Futanari Dungeon Quest", for example? Check out its animated background.

[davidb11]

引用自 Pierce Dalton：

引用自 davidb11：

PLease don't make up blatant falsehoods.
Everyone can tell you are wrong about that being on the profiles.
Good lord.

It literally is against Steam's own rules to have that type of stuff.
EVER.
So please don't spread misinformation on a massive scale.

Also, as awkward as Shota and Loli is, it's still not real life people, and even though I hate it, I won't try to confuse the two and start trying to burn people for looking at Loli or Shota.
Besides, we have that one Anime for that anyhow, Boku No Piko.

That will be the last time I bring it up.

Well, that user didn't say anything false. Do you know the game "Mage Kanade's Futanari Dungeon Quest", for example? Check out its animated background.

There are several animated backgrounds and no one in any of them are under 18.
So, LOL wut.

Sorry, but that's not lolicon or shota, or anything.
That's not even underage 16 year olds.
Seriously, WTF.
Why make me look at Futanari games? XD

[Pierce Dalton]

引用自 davidb11：

引用自 Pierce Dalton：

Well, that user didn't say anything false. Do you know the game "Mage Kanade's Futanari Dungeon Quest", for example? Check out its animated background.

There are several animated backgrounds and no one in any of them are under 18.
So, LOL wut.

Sorry, but that's not lolicon or shota, or anything.
That's not even underage 16 year olds.
Seriously, WTF.
Why make me look at Futanari games? XD

Well, I must say that's quite interesting, how are you able to determine the age of fictional characters?

[davidb11]

引用自 Pierce Dalton：

引用自 davidb11：

There are several animated backgrounds and no one in any of them are under 18.
So, LOL wut.

Sorry, but that's not lolicon or shota, or anything.
That's not even underage 16 year olds.
Seriously, WTF.
Why make me look at Futanari games? XD

Well, I must say that's quite interesting, how are you able to determine the age of fictional characters?

By literally looking at them.
LOL wut.
No one can claim that woman is under 18 ever.
There are rules for what is allowed on Steam's point shops.
No one is allowed to be under 18 in a sexy manner.
EVER.

Period.

Good lord, at least try to not make it obvious you love arguing.

[Pierce Dalton]

引用自 davidb11：

引用自 Pierce Dalton：

Well, I must say that's quite interesting, how are you able to determine the age of fictional characters?

By literally looking at them.
LOL wut.
No one can claim that woman is under 18 ever.
There are rules for what is allowed on Steam's point shops.
No one is allowed to be under 18 in a sexy manner.
EVER.

Period.

Good lord, at least try to not make it obvious you love arguing.

Well, whether we're talking about real people or fictional characters, "looking at them" is not a reliable method to determine someone's age, my dear friend.