7 days of trade hold

[Bix]

I think that if the 7 days trade hold was removed or reduced to even 1-2days, this would be hugely beneficial to the game and a lot of traffic would come from having a flourishing economy that wouldn't come otherwise. The CS:GO trading market has always been real, if valve supported that instead of trying to be greedy and take extreme measures to stop individuals from getting ahead, I think that both traders and valve would benefit a lot.

People already choose to buy from sites over steam that's a fact, you save A LOT of money and don't get taxed 15% for selling when you want to buy new skins, why not accept the fact that steam robs people with the fees and trade holds and it doesn't incentivize people to spend any more money on steam. And support the growth of the games economy by making it comfortable to trade like it used to be without having to wait 4 weeks to trade to other players 4 times etc.. Aside from all the money brought in from the new traffic and people opening cases which has already been rising despite the market crashing, I'm sure there are methods valve can implement to profit off of it. A poll would be cool to see how many people don't want a trade hold or want a smaller one, it's weird that TF2 doesn't have one on keys for example but CS:GO does.

[Crazy Tiger]

The hold is there for security purposes. It doesn't actually matter how many people want it differently in that regard.

People going outside the Steam environment and risking account hijackings isn't the compelling argument you think it is, lol. They actively contribute to such holds existing.

As always, people being people is why we can't have nice things.

[Bix]

Crazy Tiger の投稿を引用：

The hold is there for security purposes. It doesn't actually matter how many people want it differently in that regard.

People going outside the Steam environment and risking account hijackings isn't the compelling argument you think it is, lol. They actively contribute to such holds existing.

As always, people being people is why we can't have nice things.

That is the point, as simple as activating steam guard is, mobile authentication etc and having a 1-2 hold, there is no risk apart from something people will inherently agree into before they login to sites and engage in trading with others. I had my account API leaked and it still couldn't do anything but modify my trades that popped up in my steam guard and mobile authentication to confirm so I just changed my stuff and new API key, my mistake logged into a bad site on my own accord. But what difference does 7 days make over 2 with all the security measures in place? aside from stopping people from trading amongst themselves

[Crazy Tiger]

Buvvo の投稿を引用：

Crazy Tiger の投稿を引用：

The hold is there for security purposes. It doesn't actually matter how many people want it differently in that regard.

People going outside the Steam environment and risking account hijackings isn't the compelling argument you think it is, lol. They actively contribute to such holds existing.

As always, people being people is why we can't have nice things.

That is the point, as simple as activating steam guard is, mobile authentication etc and having a 1-2 hold, there is no risk apart from something people will inherently agree into before they login to sites and engage in trading with others. I had my account API leaked and it still couldn't do anything but modify my trades that popped up in my steam guard and mobile authentication to confirm so I just changed my stuff and new API key, my mistake logged into a bad site on my own accord. But what difference does 7 days make over 2 with all the security measures in place? aside from stopping people from trading amongst themselves

It gives you 7 days to secure the account instead of 2. Not eveybody is daily on the internet/Steam.

Api keys cannot be used anymore to modify trades. They can only read information, which is how hijackers use it now. Via api they get a call when you initiate a trade, then they take quickly action with bots.

People should stop using 3rd party sites and only trade via Steam, then such holds would become lower. But people being greedy, that won't stop.

[Bix]

Crazy Tiger の投稿を引用：

Buvvo の投稿を引用：

That is the point, as simple as activating steam guard is, mobile authentication etc and having a 1-2 hold, there is no risk apart from something people will inherently agree into before they login to sites and engage in trading with others. I had my account API leaked and it still couldn't do anything but modify my trades that popped up in my steam guard and mobile authentication to confirm so I just changed my stuff and new API key, my mistake logged into a bad site on my own accord. But what difference does 7 days make over 2 with all the security measures in place? aside from stopping people from trading amongst themselves

It gives you 7 days to secure the account instead of 2. Not eveybody is daily on the internet/Steam.

Api keys cannot be used anymore to modify trades. They can only read information, which is how hijackers use it now. Via api they get a call when you initiate a trade, then they take quickly action with bots.

People should stop using 3rd party sites and only trade via Steam, then such holds would become lower. But people being greedy, that won't stop.

I agree with you, but a couple days ago my trades were modified through the API, I sent a trade offer for my navaja blue steel to someone for 2of their skins, it was instantly cancelled and my phone popped up to confirm a trade to the person, but my it was just my knife for nothing,(pending my steam guard) I retried and the same thing happened, surely enough I was compromised, had I been more careless I would have accepted it thinking it was correct and lost my knife. Again steam guard worked it's job despite something having access to change my trades

[Crazy Tiger]

The api is only used for reading information. The hijacking of thr trade happens because the hijackers have access to the account, not because of the api. Without the api they need to monitor the account actively themselves, but an api key is not used for actually modifying the trade.

Good you checked, most people don't properly check the info in the authenticator, assuming it's correct.

[nullable]

Buvvo の投稿を引用：

I think that if the 7 days trade hold was removed or reduced to even 1-2days, this would be hugely beneficial to the game and a lot of traffic would come from having a flourishing economy that wouldn't come otherwise. The CS:GO trading market has always been real, if valve supported that instead of trying to be greedy and take extreme measures to stop individuals from getting ahead, I think that both traders and valve would benefit a lot.

The CS2 market is probably doing just fine revenue-wise as is, if the revenue had fallen off as a result of additional security Valve might have changed it. If that hasn't happened your claims that Valve's actions have prevented the market from growing or maintaining might reveal your uninformed and self-serving thinking. It would also make your claims of the benefits unsubstantiated nonsense and Valve certainly has better visibility into the issue than you do.

I also don't get your accusation of Valve's greed as a result of Valve's security. You're saying Valve is greedy because they're impeding users reckless greed?

Buvvo の投稿を引用：

People already choose to buy from sites over steam that's a fact, you save A LOT of money and don't get taxed 15% for selling when you want to buy new skins, why not accept the fact that steam robs people with the fees and trade holds and it doesn't incentivize people to spend any more money on steam. And support the growth of the games economy by making it comfortable to trade like it used to be without having to wait 4 weeks to trade to other players 4 times etc.. Aside from all the money brought in from the new traffic and people opening cases which has already been rising despite the market crashing, I'm sure there are methods valve can implement to profit off of it. A poll would be cool to see how many people don't want a trade hold or want a smaller one, it's weird that TF2 doesn't have one on keys for example but CS:GO does.

It's interesting that you put the carrot out there by claiming they lose a lot of money via fees for items sold off site. And then in the same friggen sentence you frame the fees as robbery. You're laying the hyperbole on pretty thick you know.

Again Valve has better visibility into their system than you do, so try to keep that in mind when you're spinning your nonsense. Also keep in mind a lot of users aren't mindlessly upset with Valve over security and market fees.

After all before market holds, people were still using 3rd party sites to try and get around market fees. Your appeal to change the system so people won't do that really exposes the fact you don't understand users. Appeasing malcontents may not be Valve's highest goal you know.

And finally 3rd party sites have a cost of their own. And lots of users learn of it when their accounts are hijacked and looted. All of a sudden 15% doesn't sound so bad to me.

[J4MESOX4D]

7 days is to stop scammers from quick-laundering and building a huge paper trail of red tape. Reducing it to even 2 days will have a hideous knock-on effect. It also gives victims a significant window to secure their account. In some cases, 7 days isn't enough either but it's a happy medium and a lot better than 15-30 days.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Buvvo の投稿を引用：

7 days of trade hold

I think that if the 7 days trade hold was removed or reduced to even 1-2days, this would be hugely beneficial to the game and a lot of traffic would come from having a flourishing economy that wouldn't come otherwise. The CS:GO trading market has always been real, if valve supported that instead of trying to be greedy and take extreme measures to stop individuals from getting ahead, I think that both traders and valve would benefit a lot.

People already choose to buy from sites over steam that's a fact, you save A LOT of money and don't get taxed 15% for selling when you want to buy new skins, why not accept the fact that steam robs people with the fees and trade holds and it doesn't incentivize people to spend any more money on steam. And support the growth of the games economy by making it comfortable to trade like it used to be without having to wait 4 weeks to trade to other players 4 times etc.. Aside from all the money brought in from the new traffic and people opening cases which has already been rising despite the market crashing, I'm sure there are methods valve can implement to profit off of it. A poll would be cool to see how many people don't want a trade hold or want a smaller one, it's weird that TF2 doesn't have one on keys for example but CS:GO does.

Valve disagrees with you...

https://blog.counter-strike.net/index.php/2018/03/20308/

And CS2 items are not only worth far more (to the community) but is a vastly more popular game by at least a factor of 11... https://store.steampowered.com/charts/mostplayed

[Bix]

nullable の投稿を引用：

Buvvo の投稿を引用：

I think that if the 7 days trade hold was removed or reduced to even 1-2days, this would be hugely beneficial to the game and a lot of traffic would come from having a flourishing economy that wouldn't come otherwise. The CS:GO trading market has always been real, if valve supported that instead of trying to be greedy and take extreme measures to stop individuals from getting ahead, I think that both traders and valve would benefit a lot.

The CS2 market is probably doing just fine revenue-wise as is, if the revenue had fallen off as a result of additional security Valve might have changed it. If that hasn't happened your claims that Valve's actions have prevented the market from growing or maintaining might reveal your uninformed and self-serving thinking. It would also make your claims of the benefits unsubstantiated nonsense and Valve certainly has better visibility into the issue than you do.

I also don't get your accusation of Valve's greed as a result of Valve's security. You're saying Valve is greedy because they're impeding users reckless greed?

Buvvo の投稿を引用：

People already choose to buy from sites over steam that's a fact, you save A LOT of money and don't get taxed 15% for selling when you want to buy new skins, why not accept the fact that steam robs people with the fees and trade holds and it doesn't incentivize people to spend any more money on steam. And support the growth of the games economy by making it comfortable to trade like it used to be without having to wait 4 weeks to trade to other players 4 times etc.. Aside from all the money brought in from the new traffic and people opening cases which has already been rising despite the market crashing, I'm sure there are methods valve can implement to profit off of it. A poll would be cool to see how many people don't want a trade hold or want a smaller one, it's weird that TF2 doesn't have one on keys for example but CS:GO does.

It's interesting that you put the carrot out there by claiming they lose a lot of money via fees for items sold off site. And then in the same friggen sentence you frame the fees as robbery. You're laying the hyperbole on pretty thick you know.

Again Valve has better visibility into their system than you do, so try to keep that in mind when you're spinning your nonsense. Also keep in mind a lot of users aren't mindlessly upset with Valve over security and market fees.

After all before market holds, people were still using 3rd party sites to try and get around market fees. Your appeal to change the system so people won't do that really exposes the fact you don't understand users. Appeasing malcontents may not be Valve's highest goal you know.

And finally 3rd party sites have a cost of their own. And lots of users learn of it when their accounts are hijacked and looted. All of a sudden 15% doesn't sound so bad to me.

it’s interesting how you start off with “ The CS2 market is probably doing just fine revenue-wise” It is probably fine ie you don’t know an it’s your opinion then you call my opinion unsubstantiated and self serving when you don’t know either. Secondly if you even read what I said before leaping to a conclusion my point was that they could make MORE off of letting people trade more freely and lowering fees because people would be inclined to use steam to trade and sell and not sites, not that they don’t already make way too much money off of csgo case gambling alone I know they make a killing that’s not the point lol..

And to the “valve has better insight so when you’re spinning your mindless nonsense” and most people aren’t mindlessly upset “ It doesn’t take a genius to know the traffic of external trading sites is insanely huge, if it was more appealing to use steam those fees are all theirs. Users are guaranteed safety through steam which benefits players if i’m not mistaken instead of logging in elsewhere.

“It's interesting that you put the carrot out there by claiming they lose a lot of money via fees for items sold off site” - “this shows you don’t understand users”

To repeat my original stance that’s apparently been lost in translation, if steam incentivised users to use steam to trade by for example lowering fees to match sites, they would make a lot more money off of people currently trading on external sites despite lowering them it’s called potential earnings not “losing money” as you phrased it. If there was no trade hold buying from the steam market but there was p2p trading, people would be more inclined to buy off the steam market.

To sum up, if steam brought trading and buying/selling back to steam instead of external sites, it would be 100x safer for users if that’s their goal of stopping account hackers, the profit on the side seems like a win win.

[Crazy Tiger]

Buvvo の投稿を引用：

If there was no trade hold buying from the steam market but there was p2p trading, people would be more inclined to buy off the steam market.

No. Users go outside the Steam market because they are greedy and want to cash in for real money. It has nothing to do with the trade holds.

Buvvo の投稿を引用：

To sum up, if steam brought trading and buying/selling back to steam instead of external sites, it would be 100x safer for users if that’s their goal of stopping account hackers, the profit on the side seems like a win win.

It's not Steam that is doing that. It's users who do that...

[Bix]

Crazy Tiger の投稿を引用：

Buvvo の投稿を引用：

If there was no trade hold buying from the steam market but there was p2p trading, people would be more inclined to buy off the steam market.

No. Users go outside the Steam market because they are greedy and want to cash in for real money. It has nothing to do with the trade holds.

Buvvo の投稿を引用：

To sum up, if steam brought trading and buying/selling back to steam instead of external sites, it would be 100x safer for users if that’s their goal of stopping account hackers, the profit on the side seems like a win win.

It's not Steam that is doing that. It's users who do that...

This was a reply to someone else kinda strange, anyway...
Users go outside steam market because they don't want to buy items at higher prices with 15% fees to sell, it's the opposite of greed but it comes at a risk.

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Crazy Tiger の投稿を引用：

Buvvo の投稿を引用：

If there was no trade hold buying from the steam market but there was p2p trading, people would be more inclined to buy off the steam market.

No. Users go outside the Steam market because they are greedy and want to cash in for real money. It has nothing to do with the trade holds.

Buvvo の投稿を引用：

To sum up, if steam brought trading and buying/selling back to steam instead of external sites, it would be 100x safer for users if that’s their goal of stopping account hackers, the profit on the side seems like a win win.

It's not Steam that is doing that. It's users who do that...

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[Wren]

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