User-Chosen Moderators

[𒐪⎝ Epylector ⎠𒐪]

Users should have a say in what moderators are chosen. Steam could pick a few potential candidates, while users have final say, for instance. Users could pick candidates, and Steam could approve as many as they deem fit.

Out-sourcing exclusively seems like a codependent deflection of moral obligation to protect users from potential mishaps by third parties. Limited out-sourcing seems fine.

Users should put in effort to argue for this feature, instead of watching while a few users shoot down mod-accountability features in spite of overwhelming support for ideas of this nature. I care little about what method is chosen, but more methods of moderator accountability via users should exist.

[Satoru]

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4045-USHJ-3810

You would not have 'problem' with moderators if you just you know stopped breaking the rules, literally all the time

[76561199566220743]

Unsurprising that the user who made several threads just to spam emotes in, then roughly 7 threads calling moderators nazis when those spam threads got deleted, would want to choose the moderation.

[AlexTheRedScout]

Escrito originalmente por Spawn of Totoro:

Escrito originalmente por Sasori Kigaru:

Still sucks they chose to go that route, the forums were less of a mess before.

Agreed.

But Valve only really listens to Valve.

We foretold the issue with awards and they happened. Valve added a badge that required people to post in order to level it, we told them it would cause spam and it did, then took years for them to finally remove it.

ehh this is kind of wrong they do listen however community around 99% of the time is wrong about things and they usually make better choices or know better

[Ragman006]

Escrito originalmente por Satoru:

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4045-USHJ-3810

You would not have 'problem' with moderators if you just you know stopped breaking the rules, literally all the time

Wouldnt be half as many problems if the mods could do their jobs without bias and incompetence

[Qbert ⭐]

Escrito originalmente por Tito Shivan:

-Let us vote moderators!
-OK Vote for your mods here
-[votes]
-OK, Here's the results people, enjoy
-OMG THE VOTE IS RIGGED, SCAM!!!!

Exactly

[Yasahi]

Escrito originalmente por Ragman006:

Escrito originalmente por Satoru:

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4045-USHJ-3810

You would not have 'problem' with moderators if you just you know stopped breaking the rules, literally all the time

Wouldnt be half as many problems if the mods could do their jobs without bias and incompetence

Wouldn't be half as many problems if the mods properly escalated bans all the way to permanent bans for the repeat offenders. Or used the tools they have to ban alt accounts used to circumvent bans etc.

The third ban in a year should always be a minimum of 3 months and for people who have been racking up bans over the years it should be minimum 6 months.

[ReBoot]

Escrito originalmente por Caelin:

Unsurprising that the user who made several threads just to spam emotes in, then roughly 7 threads calling moderators nazis when those spam threads got deleted, would want to choose the moderation.

Someone once said "those complaining about Moderation usually need it the most".

[lolschrauber]

I'm not opposed to outsourced moderation if they did their job right. But not only are they rarely helpful, they ban people for dumb reasons. Two or three times have I been banned and complained to Steam support and they removed the bans every time because they deemed it too extreme of an action.

[Brian9824]

I mean I don't think i've ever seen anyone claim moderators are perfect, for instance one of them made a mistake and removed my Avatar, it will be reversed in a day or two. No moderation will ever be perfect, because no one is ever perfect. That is why there are built in channels to have decisions reviewed if mistakes are ever made

[Ragman006]

Escrito originalmente por Yasahi:

Escrito originalmente por Ragman006:

Wouldnt be half as many problems if the mods could do their jobs without bias and incompetence

Wouldn't be half as many problems if the mods properly escalated bans all the way to permanent bans for the repeat offenders. Or used the tools they have to ban alt accounts used to circumvent bans etc.

The third ban in a year should always be a minimum of 3 months and for people who have been racking up bans over the years it should be minimum 6 months.

You do realise you just descibed mod incompetence. Steam support is no better.
They allow plenty to troll, impersonate, harass etc without repercussions. By allowing some to behave in this way shows their support. The rules and guidelines should apply to all but their actions clearly show it does not.

[𒐪⎝ Epylector ⎠𒐪]

Escrito originalmente por brian9824:

I mean I don't think i've ever seen anyone claim moderators are perfect, for instance one of them made a mistake and removed my Avatar, it will be reversed in a day or two. No moderation will ever be perfect, because no one is ever perfect. That is why there are built in channels to have decisions reviewed if mistakes are ever made

If those channels were good, your avatar would be put back and you would be assured the mod responsible was told to be more careful in the future. We do not get assurances like that or quick actions like that because we do not have a well-balanced moderation system.

We could start with this balance:

User Mods - Mod Group 1: User-chosen mods, Steam has final say.
Valve Mods - Mod Group 2: Steam-chosen mods, users have final say.
Outsourced Mods - Mod Group 3: Out-sourced mods, Steam has final say.

And then those 3 groups could be pooled together.

If we shoot down too many mods, Steam has to out-source. If Steam shoots down too many mods, they have to out-source. If users and Steam come to a compromise, less out-sourcing of mods is needed.

This system would incentivize compromise and a more balanced assortment of moderators.

At the least, better than what we have.

[Brian9824]

Escrito originalmente por 𒐪⎝ Epylector ⎠𒐪:

Escrito originalmente por brian9824:

I mean I don't think i've ever seen anyone claim moderators are perfect, for instance one of them made a mistake and removed my Avatar, it will be reversed in a day or two. No moderation will ever be perfect, because no one is ever perfect. That is why there are built in channels to have decisions reviewed if mistakes are ever made

If those channels were good, your avatar would be put back and you would be assured the mod responsible was told to be more careful in the future. We do not get assurances like that or quick actions like that because we do not have a well-balanced moderation system.

Sure we do, if it wasn't for the holiday it would already be restored, worst case it will be back by tomorrow. I have no doubts about it.