Banning players from forums is illegal and immoral.

[Martin]

Steam should be put before the Highest Courts and Governments of our countries and brought to justice.

They are committing fraud and racketeering by forcing people to obey rules that don't exist, can't exist. Sticks and Stones.. opinions.. are not unlawful acts. They're just words.

Steam could filter out all the bad words, making it impossible for anyone to write anything deemed offensive. But instead they permanently ban them from forums for games they have bought and paid for. From forums, they have bought and paid for. That's theft.. of our money, theft of our forums from us for giving feedback..

That's what the offence really is.. just feedback, the game frustrates us, maybe it's too hard or it's confusing, we come and give our feedback and get banned for doing it.

Steam makes the rules, it then breaks all it's own rules and bans it's own customers from forums they've paid for. That is racketeering. There are plenty of easier alternatives.

Breaking rules is not illegal. It is not a crime. It should not be acceptable by anyone, to permanently ban someone from any forum, ever.

Now, cheating for example is different. Because that cannot be filtered out.. it cannot be blocked or stopped.. therefore banning people from multiplayer games has to occur to keep the fairness in games. But there is absolutely no excuse for banning people from forums.

Kind Regards.

[Crazy Tiger]

Users don't pay for access to the forums. The only thing one actually pays for when one purchases a game license, is access to the game files.

It's perfectly fine for them to ban people. Just as retail stores also can ban people from their stores and you can throw people out of your house. It all boils down to "their property, their rules". And yes, all Steam forums are the property of Valve and for the game hubs Valve extends that courtesy to the game devs/publishers (they control the game hub).

Nothing illegal or immoral about it. The latter is subjective anyway.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Nope. Perfectly legal.

[Kargor]

Also, https://xkcd.com/1357/

[d3str0y3r]

You didn't pay for the forums, you are not entitled to the use of the Steam forums or for that matter any other forums on the internet. Website/forum owners can set and enforce what ever rules they like. Not illegal in any way, the forums are Valve's property, if you don't like it you are free to leave. The door is wide open and no one is going to stop you.

[**DeiRowtag]

引用自 Martin：

Steam makes the rules, it then breaks all it's own rules and bans it's own customers from forums they've paid for. That is racketeering. There are plenty of easier alternatives.

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What the f if you paid to access forum you got scammed

[magicISO Sweden]

did read some of the stuff this person have posted in other forum little bit of toxic type just few post

[BloodShed]

引用自 Martin：

Steam should be put before the Highest Courts and Governments of our countries and brought to justice.

They are committing fraud and racketeering by forcing people to obey rules that don't exist, can't exist. Sticks and Stones.. opinions.. are not unlawful acts. They're just words.

Steam could filter out all the bad words, making it impossible for anyone to write anything deemed offensive. But instead they permanently ban them from forums for games they have bought and paid for. From forums, they have bought and paid for. That's theft.. of our money, theft of our forums from us for giving feedback..

That's what the offence really is.. just feedback, the game frustrates us, maybe it's too hard or it's confusing, we come and give our feedback and get banned for doing it.

Steam makes the rules, it then breaks all it's own rules and bans it's own customers from forums they've paid for. That is racketeering. There are plenty of easier alternatives.

Breaking rules is not illegal. It is not a crime. It should not be acceptable by anyone, to permanently ban someone from any forum, ever.

Now, cheating for example is different. Because that cannot be filtered out.. it cannot be blocked or stopped.. therefore banning people from multiplayer games has to occur to keep the fairness in games. But there is absolutely no excuse for banning people from forums.

Kind Regards.

So what hub did you get banned from?

Or are you just a lackey for a certain toxic a-hole with a superiority complex that posts on these forums?

[Tito Shivan]

Forum bans, just like cheating bans are a tool to weed toxic elements from the community.
And some toxic elements need to be told to never come back.

引用自 Martin：

They're just words.

'Words' can actually get you in jail.

[Zefar]

引用自 Martin：

They are committing fraud and racketeering by forcing people to obey rules that don't exist, can't exist. Sticks and Stones.. opinions.. are not unlawful acts. They're just words.

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/6862-8119-C23E-EA7B

It's plastered on every single page of the forums. Seeing how Steam forums are privately run they are allowed to have whatever rules they want on their discussion boards.

[talemore]

private forum = Private laws

[Satoru]

Why do people break the forum rules and are suddenly shocked that they are banned because they broke the rules.

[talemore]

The government of your nation is just one of many. Companies can have their own police force and enforcer of company laws, we just call them guards and administrators.

[Mad Scientist]

Not a single user is currently banned in that thread, but people intentionally trolling the game hub or trolling for awards do receive bans for intentionally trying to cause disruption.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1086940/discussions/0/3812913565881251342/?ctp=2#c3812913565881301686

It'd be nice if people kept Baldurs Gate 3 discussions inside of the Baldurs Gate 3 game hub. Nothing illegal about the Developers, their appointed moderators, or Steam forum Moderators removing disruptive people from a game hub.

[captainwiseass]

*chuckles* No it isn't.

[Crystal Sharrd]

Nice speech, but it doesn't really hold up to scrutiny.
The rules can and do exist:
https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/6862-8119-C23E-EA7B
Fraud is "criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain". Racketeering is "dishonest and fraudulent business dealings".
The rules exist, and enforcing them is neither fraud nor racketeering.

Steam does have a filter: ♥♥♥♥

There is no subscription or fee to use the forums, you just need a free account.

Valve is not breaking its rules by enforcing them. And while breaking Steam's rules is not a crime, Valve does have a legal right to ban you for breaking their rules.